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Presidential IQ's
    #2402745 - 03/04/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know if this has been posted before or how accurate it is but I just got it in an email. Here you go:

In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton,
Pennsylvania, detailed its findings of a four month study of the
intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the
Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the educational community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.
There have been twelve presidents over the past 50 years, from F.D.
Roosevelt to G.W. Bush, who were rated based on scholarly achievements:

1. Writings that they produced without aid of staff 2. Their ability to
speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors, which were then scored using the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking.
The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to
within five percentage points.

In order by presidential term:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt [D] 142,
Harry S Truman [D] 132,
Dwight David Eisenhower [R] 122
John Fitzgerald Kennedy [D] 174,
Lyndon Baines Johnson [D] 126,
Richard Milhous Nixon [R] 155,
Gerald R. Ford [R] 121,
James Earle Carter [D] 175,
Ronald Wilson Reagan [R] 105
George Herbert Walker Bush [R] 098,
William Jefferson Clinton [D] 182,
George Walker Bush [R] 091

In order of IQ rating:

182 . . William Jefferson Clinton [D]
175 . . James Earle Carter [D]
174 . . John Fitzgerald Kennedy [D]
155 . . Richard Milhous Nixon [R]
147 . Franklin Delano Roosevelt [D]
132 . Harry S Truman [D]
126 . . Lyndon Baines Johnson [D]
122 . Dwight David Eisenhower [R]
121 . Gerald R. Ford [R]
105 . Ronald Wilson Reagan [R]
098 . George Herbert Walker Bush [R]
091 . . George Walker Bush [R]

The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of
115.5, with President Nixon having the highest at 155. President George W.Bush rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91.

The six Democratic presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126.

No president other than Carter [D] has released his actual IQ (176).

Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President G. W. Bush, his low ratings are due to his apparently difficult command of the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary [6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents], his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis.

The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis. "All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had at least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers. Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said. "He has no published works or writings, which made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We relied more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."

The Lovenstein Institute of Scranton Pennsylvania think tank includes high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F. Dilliams.


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: ]
    #2402763 - 03/04/04 03:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the educational community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.





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who were rated based on scholarly achievements




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IQ has nothing to do with scholarly achievement


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2402769 - 03/04/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

IQ has nothing to do with scholarly achievement

I would beg to differ...

On what do you base your assumption that IQ doesn't have anything to do with scholarly achievement?


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: ]
    #2402772 - 03/04/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So, the quotients are derived from speeches that the presidents make? Presidents rarely write their own words.


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: trendal]
    #2402796 - 03/04/04 03:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

aptitude and accquired skills are two different things.


EDIT: scholarly achievement and IQ may be possitively correlated. But causation and determinance are not involved in this relationship.


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2402819 - 03/04/04 03:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok that cleared it up, thanks :smile:

I thought you were saying that it really had NOTHING to do with scholarly achievements. I would not say that IQ implies achievement...however it probably makes quite a difference in the speed and level to which those achievements are made.


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: trendal]
    #2402851 - 03/04/04 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

when I was in High School, my counselors would look at my high IQ test results and my low-ass grades and scratch their heads all the time. 

I had to explain to them that I had better things to do than school... 

"CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION, STUPID COUNSELOR BITCH!!!

...  now go back to brainwashing idiots..."  :lol:


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2402863 - 03/04/04 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lol! I had the same problems with my counselors. Except they would actually yell at me...as if that would make me work harder :smirk:


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: ]
    #2402896 - 03/04/04 03:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i would be highly skeptical of any IQ report that gave bush a positive IQ..let alone a 91...


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2402973 - 03/04/04 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ive heard that report is bogus. Its on www.snopes.com


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2403055 - 03/04/04 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, but geedub's still dumb!


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2403072 - 03/04/04 04:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"when I was in High School, my counselors would look at my high IQ test results and my low-ass grades and scratch their heads all the time."

They weren't that confused, they were just pretending to be as part of an elaborate scheme to motivate you.

Me, and many of my friends have been in the exact same situation. I'm sure there are dozens of people in this very forum who are all too familiar with the words "You know, you have so much potential..."


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: ]
    #2403219 - 03/04/04 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is fucking ridiculous. All the smartest presidents are Dems, except Nixon, who was totally discredited and thus was safe to give credit to. The former head of the CIA had a subaverage IQ. The commander of the allied forces in WW2 was barely above average. A Harvard MBA is well below average. And the top guy thinks he can go into a deposition and get away with discussing the meaning of the word is. How can you even present this shit with a straight face.

Correlation is not NECESSARILY an indicator of a causal relationship. Every time I flip the light switch the light goes on.


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: ]
    #2403246 - 03/04/04 05:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Why would you be so careless as to post such an easily verifiable hoax?

Weak. So weak.


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2403256 - 03/04/04 05:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Why would you be so careless as to post such an easily verifiable hoax?



Damn. You beat me to it.


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2403906 - 03/04/04 08:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

his name IS JonPathetic, afterall...


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: afoaf]
    #2404181 - 03/04/04 09:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bush has dyslexia, so judging him on his ability to read and write is bullshit...


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: domite]
    #2404324 - 03/04/04 10:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wrong.

bush denies his dyslexia.

you'll need to find another explanation for
his glowing stupidity.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+%2B+dyslexia


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: afoaf]
    #2404358 - 03/04/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Acute alcohol poisoning?


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Re: Presidential IQ's [Re: Autonomous]
    #2404369 - 03/04/04 10:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

getting warmer...

think coca


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