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Is anyone into carnivorous plants?
    #24027051 - 01/20/17 11:25 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Just bought some Drosera and nepenthes seeds, cant wait to get them going.

I read gibberellic acid helps the seeds germinate somehow, can anyone shed more light on this for me?
Nepenthes left drosera right


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24028280 - 01/21/17 01:57 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

I've never grown Nepenthes or Drosera from seed, but from what I can read online it seems like the fresher the seed the better, and to sow them on sphagnum moss and put your pot in a sealed plastic baggie for humidity.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: trichlover]
    #24028810 - 01/21/17 05:51 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

I have a typical flytrap that I hope I put into dormancy and didn't kill, if it comes back in the spring I was thinking about getting a couple more cultivars.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #24029711 - 01/22/17 05:44 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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I've never grown Nepenthes or Drosera from seed, but from what I can read online it seems like the fresher the seed the better, and to sow them on sphagnum moss and put your pot in a sealed plastic baggie for humidity.




Yep, this is what i also read.
Apparently for a higher success rate, you need to add a gram of gebberellic acid to a liter of distilled water then soak the seeds for 24 hours in a napkin soaked in the solution. I think the reason they do it this way is because waiting for a year full of climate changes to split the seed is just too long a wait. The gibberellic helps shorten the germination time.


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I have a typical flytrap that I hope I put into dormancy and didn't kill, if it comes back in the spring I was thinking about getting a couple more cultivars.



Yeah man, venus flytraps are really cool. Ive seen venus flytrap extract online too, wonder what it is good for.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino] * 1
    #24029765 - 01/22/17 07:05 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Nobler Hino said:Ive seen venus flytrap extract online too, wonder what it is good for.




Like most snake oils, its main effect is probably to lighten wallets. :laugh:  :tinfoil:


But at least one of the constituents has potential use:
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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #24030269 - 01/22/17 11:29 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I've had a couple purple pitcher plants, I don't have experience staring from seed. I have killed all of my pitcher plants during hibernation. I've had a couple Sarracenia purpurea and they do fine in the summer, but then I forget to keep them wet during the winter and they die. :shrug: 

Really cool plants though, water it with distilled water only and feed it small crickets if its looking weak. No fertilizer, they are carnivorous for a reason.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Guess]
    #24030401 - 01/22/17 12:28 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I have a Pinguicula plant that, in combination with bti, completely solved my fungus gnat problem
I also have a Drosera tokaiensis and a Nepenthes...something
Really beautiful plants I'll get some pics for ya


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
    #24030545 - 01/22/17 01:23 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Yeah man lets see em!


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24033387 - 01/23/17 02:21 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Its been a bitch trying to find someone who will ship gibberellic acid to me because of my location.

I found one supplier but a couple of days after i order it, they wanted to add 70$ to the s/h lol, i cancelled my order.

Any advice out there?


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #24034508 - 01/23/17 08:42 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Nobler Hino said:Ive seen venus flytrap extract online too, wonder what it is good for.



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Like most snake oils, its main effect is probably to lighten wallets. :laugh:  :tinfoil:


But at least one of the constituents has potential use:
Plumbagin, a Medicinal Plant–Derived Naphthoquinone, Is a Novel Inhibitor of the Growth and Invasion of Hormone-Refractory Prostate Cancer




http://breastcancerconqueror.com/a-plant-extract-that-eats-cancer-cells/

It reminds me of the 'doctrine of signatures.' Has jaws, eats cancers.

Maybe, it's reasonable, that things like mushrooms, bog plants, and eaters of insects, would have immune properties, to protect them, in their natural environment.

Also, some believe that carnivorous plants narcotize their prey, so have psychoactive properties.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: durian_2008]
    #24034565 - 01/23/17 09:08 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Nobler Hino said:Ive seen venus flytrap extract online too, wonder what it is good for.



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Like most snake oils, its main effect is probably to lighten wallets. :laugh:  :tinfoil:


But at least one of the constituents has potential use:
Plumbagin, a Medicinal Plant–Derived Naphthoquinone, Is a Novel Inhibitor of the Growth and Invasion of Hormone-Refractory Prostate Cancer




http://breastcancerconqueror.com/a-plant-extract-that-eats-cancer-cells/

It reminds me of the 'doctrine of signatures.' Has jaws, eats cancers.




Thanks for the link, my mom was just diagnosed, we found out its either 1A or 2A beyond that were still waiting


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24035703 - 01/24/17 10:40 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

A member of my household is getting an MRI, this morning.

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Its been a bitch trying to find someone who will ship gibberellic acid to me because of my location.




It's possible to make rooting hormones, from common, plant materials.

And, busy vendors should purchase bulk shipping. Many people, online, offer flat rates or free, worldwide shipping.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: durian_2008] * 2
    #24035715 - 01/24/17 10:49 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

My mom gets hers on Thursday, if you need to talk feel free to message me.
Best wishes to you friend :hug:



As for rooting hormone, most garden centers carry the miracle grow kind. If not something similar.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24035942 - 01/24/17 12:37 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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My mom gets hers on Thursday, if you need to talk feel free to message me.
Best wishes to you friend :hug:



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Its been a bitch trying to find someone who will ship gibberellic acid to me because of my location.

I found one supplier but a couple of days after i order it, they wanted to add 70$ to the s/h lol, i cancelled my order.

Any advice out there?




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It's possible to make rooting hormones, from common, plant materials.

And, busy vendors should purchase bulk shipping. Many people, online, offer flat rates or free, worldwide shipping.



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As for rooting hormone, most garden centers carry the miracle grow kind. If not something similar.




May I ask where you're located?

There's no need to be overly-specific, if that makes you feel uncomfortable.

(I think I have misspoken, as gibberellin is technically a lengthening hormone.)


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #24039358 - 01/25/17 05:32 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Kelp has plenty of gibberellic acid.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: El Torcho]
    #24040795 - 01/26/17 09:47 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

:thumbup: Probably, because, it grows very long, very fast.

Chemicals have been extracted from different seeds, tendrils, etc.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: durian_2008]
    #24041353 - 01/26/17 01:50 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Im in the virgin islands, maybe U.S., maybe British :wink: lol the flag under my avatar doesnt help.

But yeah, screw gibberellic acid, im going the route of patience.
4 to 8 weeks typically for the beginner friendly species of drosera and nepenthes.

Im going to post all my progress here from seed.

If you have any carnivorous plants, please share along with me.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24041487 - 01/26/17 02:29 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Just buy a sack of kelp meal. Soak some of it in some water, then use that 'tea' to soak your seeds. Kelp should have a place in your garden anyways. Besides the auxins, there's plenty of macro, micro, and trace nutes.


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    #24041515 - 01/26/17 02:39 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Thanks bro, +5


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24048628 - 01/29/17 10:52 AM (7 years, 1 day ago)

imho, it would change the overall form of the plant. Someone might dabble, with plant hormones, to create a mutant.


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    #24048729 - 01/29/17 11:27 AM (7 years, 1 day ago)

Managed a pic of my Drosera tokaiensis


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    #24049877 - 01/29/17 06:48 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

Nice, how old is that little guy?

And is that another drosera next to it in the corner?


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24049920 - 01/29/17 07:00 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

Idk I bought it from someone less than a year ago
That's like a second gemmae or whatever, kind of like a cactus pup, I am pretty sure I could separate it into two plants but I like it how it is
The leaves are much smaller cuz it was in the window, the larger leaves came after I put it under my t5,
It never used to curl up and catch bugs but now that it has those big leaves and extra sticky juice it eats the shit out of some gnats


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    #24049923 - 01/29/17 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

Ohh, that other plant in the corner, I'm thinking it's moss or something? I like it so I'm leaving it


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    #24055181 - 01/31/17 05:24 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I was thinking the little grass sprouts could be drosera capensis(think thats the correct spelling). See what happens :thumbup:

Here are the drosera rotundifolia seeds and the litte bed i made for them in this petri of mine.


They like a 50/50 mix of sand and sphangum moss, didnt have silica sand and i was afraid to use beach sand.

So i went with two tbl spoons of crushed perlite, two tbl spoons of peat, and one tbl spoon of vermiculite, hydrated with purifide water a little on the muddy side, and sprinkeld the seeds ontop without covering them at all.

Then i seaaled it up with cling wrap, and placed it ontop of my cabinet right below my bright kitchen light.
4-8 weeks wait now..


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24055850 - 01/31/17 09:30 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Just speaking hypothetically, here.

I can see why the bright blue stuff, containing potash and urea, will burn a tender plant. It's fumes burn my nose and eyes, from under a humidity dome.

But, a peat bog is basically floating in compost tea. Full of nutrients, dissolved so finely, that it can be absorbed through the leaves.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: durian_2008]
    #24066650 - 02/05/17 06:30 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Some of the soil recipes vary for different species, but from what i have read i think most droseras like  50/50 peat and sand.

I see what your saying tho, especially with coir i would think.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24067053 - 02/05/17 10:12 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I mean the whole reason carnivorous plants evolved the way they did is because they can't get nutrients from their environment
50/50 sphagnum moss and perlite is what I use


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    #24067096 - 02/05/17 10:31 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thats what i did for the seeds plus a spoon full of verm.

Couple more weeks ughh....


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24083449 - 02/11/17 11:08 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I haven't had much success with Venus fly traps, but I'm considering getting some pitcher plants this spring. I saw them for sale last Fall in Atlanta along with other plants that aren't meant to be grown in containers, so I assumed they might survive in a low, wet area in the general vicinity?  I'm going to give it a shot anyway, might keep some in a pot too.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #24083781 - 02/12/17 05:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Are these tropical pitchers (nepenthes) or american pitchers (sarracenia)?

My book has some great soil recipies for both if your interested in mixing your own.

I reccomend using a pot for any carnivorous plants. The nepenthes like the soil wet to moist but you can use the tray method on pitchers.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24084786 - 02/12/17 01:01 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Flytraps can be a challenge, before I put mine into dormancy I repotted it into an acidic organic mix lacking nutes and it was doing great, peat, coir and sand. Some people use 100% long fiber spagnum with great results. Most important part is low PPM water, distilled or RO.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #24085240 - 02/12/17 03:26 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I have some nepethene x ventrata plants they're not doing the greatest as far as producing pitchers... I've been misting them as much as possible, maybe it's because I have them in just neutral soil with perlite?

Should I put them in new substrate?


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: impaired420]
    #24085262 - 02/12/17 03:33 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I use 50/50 long fiber sphagnum/perlite


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
    #24085586 - 02/12/17 05:33 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah what redz said.

I believe the nepenthes like it outdoors like the flytraps, are your plants indoor or out?


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24085951 - 02/12/17 08:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

They're indoors. They're still pretty young too... They're only about 8 months old from cutting so idk.

I'll be getting some sphagnum peat moss soon.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: impaired420]
    #24131742 - 03/02/17 04:53 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Got some more seeds, couple different species.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24131746 - 03/02/17 04:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

nice dude! if you're on facebook join a couple of the carnivorous plant groups, tons of seed sales and trades go down there


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
    #24131755 - 03/02/17 05:03 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Man i need to sign up first lol.

But i do need to find a reliable source, not even sure if i have one yet.


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24131894 - 03/02/17 05:59 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I would like some more, but just got my 1st three the other day, small and expensive! It's ok, I hope to propagate an army



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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: mandrin13]
    #24132063 - 03/02/17 07:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Nice dude! Pinguicula are favorite, they will straight up wipe out a fungus gnat population


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
    #24132308 - 03/02/17 09:06 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

They are sweet looking plants, and gnats are what drew me to them...but now I want one like in the OPs post.

How big should they be before introducing them into the gnat area, I was going to hold off a bit, but do not know if it matters. 


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: mandrin13]
    #24132606 - 03/03/17 12:28 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

right away dude, if it seems like they are eating too much you can take em out but they will literally eat hundreds a day


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
    #24132682 - 03/03/17 01:35 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

YES!

Thanks man


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
    #24132755 - 03/03/17 03:39 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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right away dude, if it seems like they are eating too much you can take em out but they will literally eat hundreds a day




Thats awesome man. I was wondering about over feeding, i dont want it to be like my childhood goldfish i overfed. RIP....


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Re: Is anyone into carnivorous plants? [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #24133501 - 03/03/17 11:47 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

That can happen with sundews and pitcher plants and stuff if they eat stuff that's too large to digest, but gnats are tiny and those bitches be hungry ;D


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