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Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT
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Dennis Mckenna mentioned that they are very similar.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467]
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Yes


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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how so? How many grams of mushrooms would it take or is it subjective.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467] * 2
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5g+ and you will experience a less intense version of DMT


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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what about 10-15?

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467]
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Definitely. Especially if you combine mushrooms with harmalas (psilohuasca). Be wary of that combo though, it is very powerful.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: The Grateful One]
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IMO since breaking through a few times, no matter the dose, everything about the trip resembles a DMT trip.  I can take a gram and still be thrown into that familiar headspace.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Shishkabob111]
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I feel a lot of similarities even at low doses. Do you mean similar in that your senses are fully encompassed and you lose connection with normal reality? I would assume this is from highly saturated 5ht receptors and any psyche would do it if you took enough.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: krypto2000]
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My point is I want the full on experience w shrooms at a high dose to simulate dmt.Possible?

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: krypto2000]
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Well I can take a small to medium dose of shrooms and it will feel identical  to about 10-15mg of DMT.  Back when I shroomed before DMT came into my life it felt nothing like it does nowadays.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Shishkabob111]
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Wow hopefully I will get where I can open that window

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467]
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IMO Large mushroom doses are like longer lasting but less intense DMT trips, I did 10g dry of liberty cap once . . . Lets not talk about it though . . . :uhoh:


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- DMT
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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467] * 1
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There is no amount of mushrooms one can take to replicate a smoked DMT trip. Just like how you cant sniff an amount of cocaine to make it feel just like a hit of crack. The ROA makes it impossible


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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To replicate a breakthrough dose would be impossible IMO.  Nothing compares.  Small/medium mushroom doses to me are very similar to small dmt doses. Not 100% or anything but pretty damn close.  It's obviously not as intense but gives me a very similar  headspace as dmt.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
There is no amount of mushrooms one can take to replicate a smoked DMT trip. Just like how you cant sniff an amount of cocaine to make it feel just like a hit of crack. The ROA makes it impossible


Are you sure about that? I find it hard to believe half a gram of psilocin would still leave you even remotely in touch with reality.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
There is no amount of mushrooms one can take to replicate a smoked DMT trip. Just like how you cant sniff an amount of cocaine to make it feel just like a hit of crack. The ROA makes it impossible


Are you sure about that? I find it hard to believe half a gram of psilocin would still leave you even remotely in touch with reality.



You still wont get that "rush"..that "blastoff" sensation. you might be "deeper" but you wont be "as high" if that makes sense


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Probably not, but I bet you'd still end up in the same place. I'm too scared to find out.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Probably not, but I bet you'd still end up in the same place. I'm too scared to find out.



right there with ya buddy


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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10gs of liberty caps was very much like a DMT experience for hours. Even an eighth of good mushrooms can send you off into the similar place DMT brings you to.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: SonicTitan]
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Mushrooms can absolutely bring you to the same space as DMT...my girlfriend has had many breakthrough experiences on mushrooms alone...now, for me, it takes much more than she takes to get to that point, but it is absolutely possible. It is 100% subjective to the individual user...5 grams could blast me into the next universe but leave the next guy underwhelmed...this is because of different personal biochemistry and because of the difference between each mushrooms potency...unless you are isolating and cultivating a specific set of genes, your trips will vary widely/wildly...

:dancer::dancer::dancer:

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: The Grateful One]
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Very distinct and different experiences IMHO.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: TheHumungus]
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striking similarities, even more striking differences.

DMT feels very natural and human-based to me if that makes sense....

Mushrooms might as well be a hyper-intelligent extra-terrestrial the way it works in my brain :lol: They have a very technological/sci-fi vibe to me

closest i ever got to dmt by way of mushroom was 4 grams of Gymnopilus luteofolius and a teaspoon of ground syrian rue. which i guess works *kind of* like an ayahuasca analogue

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: milktruck]
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milktruck said:
DMT feels very natural and human-based to me if that makes sense....


Please explain.

I mean you kind of already did but do you mean it feels less cosmic and less sic-fi than psilocybin? Like more intrinsic and ancillary maybe? More earthbound? I hear ayahuasca is definitely more earthbound than mushrooms but never heard that about smoked DMT.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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10g did hardly anything for me, just a bit of mild swirling visuals and numbness :justdontknow:


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- DMT
- Liberty Cap Gallery

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: acidninja]
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acidninja said:
10g did hardly anything for me, just a bit of mild swirling visuals and numbness :justdontknow:


Was this fresh? Your post from earlier kind of contradicts this.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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AuroraBorealis88 said:
milktruck said:
DMT feels very natural and human-based to me if that makes sense....


Please explain.

I mean you kind of already did but do you mean it feels less cosmic and less sic-fi than psilocybin? Like more intrinsic and ancillary maybe? More earthbound? I hear ayahuasca is definitely more earthbound than mushrooms but never heard that about smoked DMT.


I simply dont get the "alien" DMT experiences, thats about it, it feels like something VERY natural for a human to experience and feels extremely familiar when i smoke it.

I dont get that with mushrooms, mushrooms feel to me as if im communicating with a separate entity all together that doesnt seem to care much whether i understand it or not.


When i smoke DMT it comes a long with implicit recognitions, and familiarity with the experiences i get, that's all i mean by more human, it feels like its a part of my own being when i smoke it, mushrooms feel like im experiencing the consciousness of something else entirely. Very similar in high doses to DMT in terms of visual geometry and , but the differences have always impressed me more than the similarities.

I dont mean earthbound like ayahuasca, i literally mean DMT feels human to me.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: milktruck] * 1
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Oh okay I see ya I assume this is because DMT is a human metabolite and likely a human neurotransmitter so your body and brain certainly recognize it.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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my thoughts exactly...

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: milktruck]
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It looks like most of you are talking about smoked dmt.  How does mushroom tea and ayahusca compare?


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said:
It looks like most of you are talking about smoked dmt.  How does mushroom tea and ayahusca compare?


That's what I've been wondering but from what I've heard they seem quite different because of the harmala alkaloids. From the way people describe it mushrooms almost sounds closer to the DMT flash than what people experience in ayahuasca.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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Has anyone heard the mushroom speak to them? people report having a dialogue with it but i never had such a thing.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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It could be. You must learn to pay attention. Only odd thing is people keep saying they try decent doses but nothing happens.

With them, you could get a heavy body effect and maybe just fall asleep. On the other hand they could make you feel stoned without the feeling of having smoked something.

McKenna said the dose you want is 5 dried grams.

The active ingredient in mushrooms (psilocybin) is certainly similar to DMT. I think they can be similar under the right mindset and set & setting; etc but you have to get lucky. The trips might not always be the same. Pay attention and just relax... It's like how the beginning stages of acid can be similar prior to blasting off on DMT.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Has anyone heard the mushroom speak to them? people report having a dialogue with it but i never had such a thing.


Nope, but I've had the 'salvia people' that usually hang out in our peripheral vision step out into view and talk to me before.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Has anyone heard the mushroom speak to them? people report having a dialogue with it but i never had such a thing.


No but I have felt the presence of the mushroom itself and I can feel its emotions and intentions entering my mind and awareness. I've heard McKenna before say that psilocybin is the only major or traditional psychedelic that actually has a voice but I never experienced it, he did say though that you must invoke it and I never tried. I didn't hear about this voice thing until after I stopped taking mushrooms.

The only voices and audible language I got from mushrooms was people or creatures speaking in glossolalia and bizarre tongues, snoring (outside of myself), hyperdimensional alien chatter and entities laughing.
The mushroom presence itself never spoke to me though. It's hard to tell whether or not the mushroom entity is shy or just tasteful.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Has anyone heard the mushroom speak to them? people report having a dialogue with it but i never had such a thing.


I never hear a "voice in my head" like T Mckenna talks about, but every time I do mushrooms or 4-Aco-DMT, I always end up speaking uncontrollably. As long as I take a high enough dose.

McKenna used to say that mushrooms will talk to you and teach you by speaking to you. For me, it's always been myself speaking to myself. Like I lose control over my own voice and can't control what i say.

But I do learn things from mushrooms that way. Like I'm speaking to my own self.

I don't get the uncontrollable speaking/glossolalia thing from any other Psychedelics.


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LogicaL Chaos said:
"humans are like cubes, lots of strains but cubes a cube. Not much difference really."

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: mctaveesh]
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A large is 10g+. A high dose is like 20g+. I know a guy who ate a pound.

To answer the question. Yes. Large and high doses will skyrocket you off into infinity and beyond. Not exactly all it's cracked up to be I'm afraid. 20g is more than some people would even consider. A high dose is a high dose... more than even the so called psychonauts would dare.

Eat a pound, and you'll get where you're going in no time.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: LRG]
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A pound of mushrooms? Volume wise I can't even eat that much food, how and why would he possibly eat that much? Even making tea and drinking it would be a challenge. A pound is about 4 gallon ziplock bags stuffed with mushrooms.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: mctaveesh]
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mctaveesh said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
Has anyone heard the mushroom speak to them? people report having a dialogue with it but i never had such a thing.


I never hear a "voice in my head" like T Mckenna talks about, but every time I do mushrooms or 4-Aco-DMT, I always end up speaking uncontrollably. As long as I take a high enough dose.

McKenna used to say that mushrooms will talk to you and teach you by speaking to you. For me, it's always been myself speaking to myself. Like I lose control over my own voice and can't control what i say.

But I do learn things from mushrooms that way. Like I'm speaking to my own self.

I don't get the uncontrollable speaking/glossolalia thing from any other Psychedelics.



Yeah its something i always wanted to have happen but it just never did :shrug:

Mckenna really makes it seem like the mushroom is a legit mind of in itself. I want to get the point i talk to it and receive information from it.

Mckenna atleast has some dialogue he shared with us from the mushroom. One that comes to mind is "if you dont have a plan, you become part of somebody else's plan"

but as i said here many times i have had information given to me VIA the TV on LSD+weed..but never ever a voice


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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It might be more metaphorical, such as the mushroom trying to speak to you through visions or any insights gained, something more like an "inner voice" perhaps.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
A pound of mushrooms? Volume wise I can't even eat that much food, how and why would he possibly eat that much? Even making tea and drinking it would be a challenge. A pound is about 4 gallon ziplock bags stuffed with mushrooms.


16oz in a pound. They have 24oz steaks at your local restaurants. It can be done, it's just not advised.

How and why? I'm not sure why. To go where no man has gone before?

Tea would be the easiest way. No synthetic stuff. It has to be 100% natural. Also I'm pretty sure you'd die. I mean... a fucking pound? Like you gotta be fucking bonkers to even think about trying an ounce. A POUND?!?!?!?!


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: LRG]
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I would think that high of a dose would be debilitating for life ( to much for the nervous system.  I am looking for self healing! Thanks for the feedback, shroomerite fam!

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467] * 1
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A steak is WAY more dense than a bunch of dried mushrooms though, by a factor of 10 or more, I'm talking volume, not weight, and then they're going to expand significantly once ingested too. Weight wise it's not that much, a glass of water weighs 16oz. I think the LD50 for mushrooms is maybe 6 pounds or something like that, more than you could eat. I'm sure your receptors are saturated below an ounce though, there *is* no reason to eat a pound short of brain damage imo.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: krypto2000]
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Past a certain threshold, most things including dmt resemble the archetypes of death.


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"The opposite for courage is not cowardice, it is conformity. Even a dead fish can go with the flow." - Jim Hightower

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
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where do I find trip levels on here?

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: The Grateful One]
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What is harmalas (psilohuasca)?

Edited by moment467 (01/22/17 01:31 PM)

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467]
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moment467 said:
where do I find trip levels on here?


In the trip reports section ( https://www.shroomery.org/6255/Trip-Reports )

But here's a summarization from another site:
https://www.zamnesia.com/blog-timothy-learys-5-levels-of-psychedelic-experience-n110

LEVEL ONE:
Spiritual BodyCannabis, being the mildest of psychedelics, induces this state in moderate doses. A mild high is produced, whereby enhanced mood and sensuality is experienced. The communication between left and right side of the brain undergoes subtle changes, possibly inducing mild synesthesia, which is a intermingling of sensory perception. Music is perceived more vividly, starting to mix with imagery and direct emotional perception.

LEVEL TWO:
This level is reached with high doses of cannabis or low doses of psilocybin. The user will experience mild visual effects and behind closed eyelids patterns start to emerge. Normal thought-filters of the brain are bypassed, leading to an increase in unrestrained, abstract and creative thought patterns. Unconscious emotions and thoughts bubble to the surface. Light doses of Peyote and medium doses of MDMA also induce this state.

LEVEL THREE:
This level is achieved with regular doses of psilocybin or LSD. Fractals are taking over the visual field, warping patterns and kaleidoscopic imagery are perceived on surfaces or with closed eyes. Sensitivity for subtle body energies increases, profound insights into life might be perceived, or ecstatic trance can occur. Intermingling of senses can be even more pronounced, causing all kinds of dissociative experiences.

LEVEL FOUR:
Strong doses of LSD, psilocybin, Peyote, and other entheogens induce level four experiences. Strong visual patterns, intense visions, direct experience astral spheres, and dissolution of time. With opened eye, physical objects can be exposed as manifested, condensed energy forms. Out of body experiences, strong spiritual visions, and direct perceptions of wisdom are commonly associated with this level.

LEVEL FIVE:
This is the epicenter of the psychedelic state and is usually obtained with DMT or considerably high doses of psilocybin. While this level is marked by a complete and absolute immersion in visions, this state is distinctly different in quality and what is experienced - it can be called an enlightenment, or union with the great life force. This is in the eye of the storm, nirvana, or complete transcendence. Other-dimensional beings might be encountered, or the pure, the unmanifest energy beyond the illusory circus of life can be felt. The most common experiences are as follow:
1. Being thrust into an expansive void or alternate dimension filled with beings and intricate, detailed worlds of bizarre and unseen quality.
2. Being propelled into outer space at extreme speed. Cosmic experiences, such as finding yourself witnessing the creation of a new star system, have also been reported.
3. Traveling at great speed whilst experiencing changing patterns, which often morph and open to into more complicated patterns within.
4. Encountering intelligent entities whilst experiencing any of points 1, 2 or 3. From machine elves to space cowboys, intelligent entities have ranged from things out of fantasy novels, such as humanoids, to giant insects, visually indecipherable entities and floating balls of light.
5. Intelligent entities attempt to communicate with the user through visual patterns, prompts and cues. Sometimes entities take the user to specific places to try and get across a message, such as encouragements to learn postures, or they teach songs that manifest objects or condense energy.
These extreme states are sometimes accompanied by sounds, ranging from deep rumbling to high pitched crumbling. Although completely immersed in the experience, most DMT users remain sentient throughout the experience, being able to think clearly, reason logically and maintain a self awareness.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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Thanks! Is it my understanding with DMT that you can see like 10 dimensions.  Makes this 3d world pale in comparison.  Can this be seen on high dose shrooms?

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467]
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Well I've never done DMT and I've never heard of this "10 dimension" thing but from what I've read I'd say it would be inappropriate to place DMT, Mushrooms or Ayahuasca above one another in anyway, they seem to all push you to the same place at the end of the day or at least they have the ability to but then again I could just be talking out of my ass.

DMT smoked may be put on a kind of pedestal because it's so intense, so brief and so pure but I would have trouble believing that DMT could show you something or take you to a place that mushrooms can't.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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It does though IME. Mushrooms are strong & bring you to different dimensions, as can LSD & many other psychedelics. But they're different than DMT. The thing about DMT is how clear the experience is. Breakthroughs consistently brought me to the same place, with the same beings.....and it was my consciousness being projected to this place. So I was cognizant of what was going on. Whereas with other psychedelics to get that high that I'd slide into different dimensions, see beings, etc, my mind would be shattered. I'd be caught in a maelstrom of psychedelia & unable to think clearly/not know what was going on. There's also the divine bliss & love of the breakthrough. That I'd experience on LSD, but not shrooms. The DMT flash is just so clear.....can't really explain. But it really is something else.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
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There's definitely this effect of reality folding into and out of itself on dmt, it's hard to describe, but adding dimensions is certainly a good place to start whether that is actually what's happening or not.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said:
Whereas with other psychedelics to get that high that I'd slide into different dimensions, see beings, etc, my mind would be shattered.


But you still admit it's possible yes?

Also I think LSD can take you to different dimensions but not like mushrooms, LSD doesn't take me to hyperspace like mushrooms do and I don't know about clarity but mushrooms in high doses are very structured and organized similar to what I hear DMT being like.

By clear do you mean hyperreal? Because psilocybin for me is very hyperreal whereas LSD is more surreal.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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Well DMT sounds quite unique. Hopefully one day I can shatter my ego w it.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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Well it's certainly possible for them to take you to other dimensions. Both LSD & mushrooms have done so for me countless times. Other substances have as well, including DPT, dissociatives, etc. but the space that DMT brought me to was different, and consistent. It's not the same place as the hyperspace that mushrooms, LSD, and DPT would take me to.

By clear I mean more than hyperreal. My sense of self remained intact....my consciousness remained intact. I'd go into a trance, my body would dissolve into energy when the rush hit, and I'm fall through a river of visuals into this other place & launch through it....encountering a couple different types of beings while I was there, as well as experiencing things beyond description. But it was as though my consciousness entered this world. My mind & thinking remained intact. It was very different than what happens to me on high doses of other psychedelics. And the place itself, as well as the beings were very different than the dimensions & being did experience on the other psychedelics. The only common thread was the profundity of the experience.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
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I see, well I'll just have to experience it for myself then. I'm curious to see what my interpretations of the experience will be, I just hope that profound feeling is still there with DMT.

Because I hate when people just call a powerful experience "profound" simply because it was powerful but if it doesn't feel meaningful and important then it's not profound so hopefully does DMT really have this.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
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I personally found it to be incredibly profound. Besides the intensity, there was a divine feeling to it.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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AuroraBorealis88 said:
I see, well I'll just have to experience it for myself then. I'm curious to see what my interpretations of the experience will be, I just hope that profound feeling is still there with DMT.

Because I hate when people just call a powerful experience "profound" simply because it was powerful but if it doesn't feel meaningful and important then it's not profound so hopefully does DMT really have this.


pro·found
prəˈfound/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a state, quality, or emotion) very great or intense.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
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There's multiple definitions for the word profound, for example if you say a drug produces "profound changes in consciousness" then yes in that sense it means powerful but when someone says their last mushroom or LSD trip was "so profound" they usually mean meaningful.

To me profound means important and/or deeply meaningful, I never really use it in place for the word powerful or strong.

You missed the second definition btw: "Having or showing great knowledge or insight."

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
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AuroraBorealis88 said:
There's multiple definitions for the word profound, for example if you say a drug produces "profound changes in consciousness" then yes in that sense it means powerful but when someone says their last mushroom or LSD trip was "so profound" they usually mean meaningful.

To me profound means important and/or deeply meaningful, I never really use it in place for the word powerful or strong.

You missed the second definition btw: "Having or showing great knowledge or insight."


Point is, you're attempting to define an experience that transcends language.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
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What are you even talking about? That's not defining the experience that's just saying it was meaningful.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
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Are you suggesting that it's possible to put the psychedelic experience perfectly into words because everyone already knows it's not..

You know that when people describe trips they don't mean it literally right? Like the words they use and the metaphors are just deceptions not literal interpretations.

When people take psilocybin, LSD and DMT and they talk about the things they "saw" the stuff they saw was not EXACTLY what they're describing it's simply just the closest thing they could relate it to.
Like when someone takes a large amount of mushrooms and says they saw elves obviously they didn't actually see the classical elves that we all know and love that's just the closest thing that person could relate it to.

I thought all of this was already implied? These are psychedelics we're talking about here, no word accurately or 100% describes it and never will.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
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AstralAndrew said:
AuroraBorealis88 said:
There's multiple definitions for the word profound, for example if you say a drug produces "profound changes in consciousness" then yes in that sense it means powerful but when someone says their last mushroom or LSD trip was "so profound" they usually mean meaningful.

To me profound means important and/or deeply meaningful, I never really use it in place for the word powerful or strong.

You missed the second definition btw: "Having or showing great knowledge or insight."


Point is, you're attempting to define an experience that transcends language.



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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
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How does that contradict or counter anything I've said? You're debating an idea that doesn't exist. No one ever said or even implied that it was Englishable.  In fact its unenglishability is already implied from the start.

You're not telling us anything we don't already know not to mention you straight up lied and said that I was trying to "define the experience".

Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (01/22/17 04:48 PM)

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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DMT is awe-inspiring, powerful, profound, ineffable...but it doesn't mean that it is any more beneficial than any other psychedelic experience. Anyone can dose a substance, have a mind blowing time, and come out the other side the exact same human who went into it. No changes whatsoever.

It is more about how you interpret and integrate the experience into your everyday life. These substances are tools to look into yourself, they don't do the work on their own. That is like going to a construction site, laying a hammer on some wood, leaving, and then coming back expecting a house to be built by the next day.

DMT and mushrooms are different beasts that live in the same household, which deserve their own interpretation and respect.  To compare the two is difficult, but not impossible.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: The Grateful One]
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I never said they change you and yes I use that analogy as well about 2 beasts in the same home. I didn't know other people used that analogy too lol.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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milktruck said:
striking similarities, even more striking differences.



:thumbup:

Similar because your tripping but
DMT once experienced could not with a straight face be compared to shrooms.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: pineninja]
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sure, i took a full 28grams one time... which was pretty irresponsible when looking back.
Long story short, i lost my vision completely... nothing i was seeing was actually there... compared to a normal shroom trip where visuals are just distorted or smudgey. I laid in a bed for hours and all i recollect was a black space with images of egyptian themed shapes flying at me over a rainbow... sphynx, pyramids, etc.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: shroomiin]
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I LOVE that feeling after DMT where you lay there forever trying to wrap your mind around it and getting hit with tons of new ideas and information

Just tripped an hour ago and it took me a half hour or something to even realize I was a human being again
I loveeee my old friend DMT. :heart:

I've had only ONE mushroom trip on about 7-8 grams that could match with the DMT trips I've had.

That was my first Tryptamine trip ever though so i think it coulda been because of that that made it strong


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: mctaveesh]
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You ate 7-8 grams your first time?  Damn.......


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: shroomiin] * 1
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shroomiin said:
sure, i took a full 28grams one time... which was pretty irresponsible when looking back.
Long story short, i lost my vision completely... nothing i was seeing was actually there... compared to a normal shroom trip where visuals are just distorted or smudgey. I laid in a bed for hours and all i recollect was a black space with images of egyptian themed shapes flying at me over a rainbow... sphynx, pyramids, etc.


Even on low doses you can go to places like that if you relax and let your mind wonder. I remember one time on ~2g I was laying on the couch and I closed my eyes and suddenly I was looking up at some intricate aztec looking structure, it was an arch or a wall or something. It was engraved with the most beautiful patterns, I could feel the sun coming down from the canopy, etc, it was very real. I think actually on that same trip later on, near the end of it, I was staring off into my room and my vision was kind of faded away and some other... I don't know, something very large, cosmic, started coming into focus as if it was always there and I just had to look *through* reality to see it, as if reality were a foggy vapor and this 'true' reality is right there. I suddenly got very scared as if looking into the face of god and spent the rest of the night coming to terms with that.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said:
You ate 7-8 grams your first time?  Damn.......


Yeah I only had bad trips before that one on LSD and 2CB. So I was just like fuck it I'll take a shit ton of a stronger Psychedelic and force myself to get through it. And it worked!


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: mctaveesh]
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If you want the DMT experience on shrooms use 6g dried with one fresh lemons worth of juice with just enough boiling water so all the contents fit in your mug, liquidize the whole lot in blender until pretty smooth(I always use organic lemons and normally add a little organic orange squash to sweeten), let it brew for 5 mins then drink it fairly quick.

WARNING
fear factor 10, only try this if you're super experienced with high doses or DMT.

Comes on extremely quickly, recommend playing your worst trip out in the mind as soon as you drink it, otherwise it's hard to deal with the initial come up.

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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Beanerby]
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Beanerby said:
If you want the DMT experience on shrooms use 6g dried with one fresh lemons worth of juice with just enough boiling water so all the contents fit in your mug, liquidize the whole lot in blender until pretty smooth(I always use organic lemons and normally add a little organic orange squash to sweeten), let it brew for 5 mins then drink it fairly quick.

WARNING
fear factor 10, only try this if you're super experienced with high doses or DMT.

Comes on extremely quickly, recommend playing your worst trip out in the mind as soon as you drink it, otherwise it's hard to deal with the initial come up.


Why would you think of your worst trip while your coming up on mushrooms? That's a recipe for another bad trip especially at a high dose like that lol.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
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It actually works believe it or not, I learnt it from one of Mckenna's talks.



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Edited by Beanerby (02/02/17 05:10 AM)

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