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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: LRG]
    #24029965 - 01/22/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I would think that high of a dose would be debilitating for life ( to much for the nervous system.  I am looking for self healing! Thanks for the feedback, shroomerite fam!


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467] * 1
    #24030034 - 01/22/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

A steak is WAY more dense than a bunch of dried mushrooms though, by a factor of 10 or more, I'm talking volume, not weight, and then they're going to expand significantly once ingested too. Weight wise it's not that much, a glass of water weighs 16oz. I think the LD50 for mushrooms is maybe 6 pounds or something like that, more than you could eat. I'm sure your receptors are saturated below an ounce though, there *is* no reason to eat a pound short of brain damage imo.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: krypto2000]
    #24030231 - 01/22/17 11:03 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Past a certain threshold, most things including dmt resemble the archetypes of death.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #24030425 - 01/22/17 12:37 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

where do I find trip levels on here?


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: The Grateful One]
    #24030573 - 01/22/17 01:31 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

What is harmalas (psilohuasca)?


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467]
    #24030574 - 01/22/17 01:31 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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where do I find trip levels on here?




In the trip reports section ( https://www.shroomery.org/6255/Trip-Reports )

But here's a summarization from another site:
https://www.zamnesia.com/blog-timothy-learys-5-levels-of-psychedelic-experience-n110

LEVEL ONE:
Spiritual BodyCannabis, being the mildest of psychedelics, induces this state in moderate doses. A mild high is produced, whereby enhanced mood and sensuality is experienced. The communication between left and right side of the brain undergoes subtle changes, possibly inducing mild synesthesia, which is a intermingling of sensory perception. Music is perceived more vividly, starting to mix with imagery and direct emotional perception.

LEVEL TWO:
This level is reached with high doses of cannabis or low doses of psilocybin. The user will experience mild visual effects and behind closed eyelids patterns start to emerge. Normal thought-filters of the brain are bypassed, leading to an increase in unrestrained, abstract and creative thought patterns. Unconscious emotions and thoughts bubble to the surface. Light doses of Peyote and medium doses of MDMA also induce this state.

LEVEL THREE:
This level is achieved with regular doses of psilocybin or LSD. Fractals are taking over the visual field, warping patterns and kaleidoscopic imagery are perceived on surfaces or with closed eyes. Sensitivity for subtle body energies increases, profound insights into life might be perceived, or ecstatic trance can occur. Intermingling of senses can be even more pronounced, causing all kinds of dissociative experiences.

LEVEL FOUR:
Strong doses of LSD, psilocybin, Peyote, and other entheogens induce level four experiences. Strong visual patterns, intense visions, direct experience astral spheres, and dissolution of time. With opened eye, physical objects can be exposed as manifested, condensed energy forms. Out of body experiences, strong spiritual visions, and direct perceptions of wisdom are commonly associated with this level.

LEVEL FIVE:
This is the epicenter of the psychedelic state and is usually obtained with DMT or considerably high doses of psilocybin. While this level is marked by a complete and absolute immersion in visions, this state is distinctly different in quality and what is experienced - it can be called an enlightenment, or union with the great life force. This is in the eye of the storm, nirvana, or complete transcendence. Other-dimensional beings might be encountered, or the pure, the unmanifest energy beyond the illusory circus of life can be felt. The most common experiences are as follow:
1. Being thrust into an expansive void or alternate dimension filled with beings and intricate, detailed worlds of bizarre and unseen quality.
2. Being propelled into outer space at extreme speed. Cosmic experiences, such as finding yourself witnessing the creation of a new star system, have also been reported.
3. Traveling at great speed whilst experiencing changing patterns, which often morph and open to into more complicated patterns within.
4. Encountering intelligent entities whilst experiencing any of points 1, 2 or 3. From machine elves to space cowboys, intelligent entities have ranged from things out of fantasy novels, such as humanoids, to giant insects, visually indecipherable entities and floating balls of light.
5. Intelligent entities attempt to communicate with the user through visual patterns, prompts and cues. Sometimes entities take the user to specific places to try and get across a message, such as encouragements to learn postures, or they teach songs that manifest objects or condense energy.
These extreme states are sometimes accompanied by sounds, ranging from deep rumbling to high pitched crumbling. Although completely immersed in the experience, most DMT users remain sentient throughout the experience, being able to think clearly, reason logically and maintain a self awareness.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24030583 - 01/22/17 01:34 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Thanks! Is it my understanding with DMT that you can see like 10 dimensions.  Makes this 3d world pale in comparison.  Can this be seen on high dose shrooms?


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: moment467]
    #24030609 - 01/22/17 01:45 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Well I've never done DMT and I've never heard of this "10 dimension" thing but from what I've read I'd say it would be inappropriate to place DMT, Mushrooms or Ayahuasca above one another in anyway, they seem to all push you to the same place at the end of the day or at least they have the ability to but then again I could just be talking out of my ass.

DMT smoked may be put on a kind of pedestal because it's so intense, so brief and so pure but I would have trouble believing that DMT could show you something or take you to a place that mushrooms can't.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24030626 - 01/22/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

It does though IME. Mushrooms are strong & bring you to different dimensions, as can LSD & many other psychedelics. But they're different than DMT. The thing about DMT is how clear the experience is. Breakthroughs consistently brought me to the same place, with the same beings.....and it was my consciousness being projected to this place. So I was cognizant of what was going on. Whereas with other psychedelics to get that high that I'd slide into different dimensions, see beings, etc, my mind would be shattered. I'd be caught in a maelstrom of psychedelia & unable to think clearly/not know what was going on. There's also the divine bliss & love of the breakthrough. That I'd experience on LSD, but not shrooms. The DMT flash is just so clear.....can't really explain. But it really is something else.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
    #24030637 - 01/22/17 01:58 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

There's definitely this effect of reality folding into and out of itself on dmt, it's hard to describe, but adding dimensions is certainly a good place to start whether that is actually what's happening or not.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
    #24030658 - 01/22/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Whereas with other psychedelics to get that high that I'd slide into different dimensions, see beings, etc, my mind would be shattered.




But you still admit it's possible yes?

Also I think LSD can take you to different dimensions but not like mushrooms, LSD doesn't take me to hyperspace like mushrooms do and I don't know about clarity but mushrooms in high doses are very structured and organized similar to what I hear DMT being like.

By clear do you mean hyperreal? Because psilocybin for me is very hyperreal whereas LSD is more surreal.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24030675 - 01/22/17 02:12 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Well DMT sounds quite unique. Hopefully one day I can shatter my ego w it.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24030695 - 01/22/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Well it's certainly possible for them to take you to other dimensions. Both LSD & mushrooms have done so for me countless times. Other substances have as well, including DPT, dissociatives, etc. but the space that DMT brought me to was different, and consistent. It's not the same place as the hyperspace that mushrooms, LSD, and DPT would take me to.

By clear I mean more than hyperreal. My sense of self remained intact....my consciousness remained intact. I'd go into a trance, my body would dissolve into energy when the rush hit, and I'm fall through a river of visuals into this other place & launch through it....encountering a couple different types of beings while I was there, as well as experiencing things beyond description. But it was as though my consciousness entered this world. My mind & thinking remained intact. It was very different than what happens to me on high doses of other psychedelics. And the place itself, as well as the beings were very different than the dimensions & being did experience on the other psychedelics. The only common thread was the profundity of the experience.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: Dark_Star]
    #24030735 - 01/22/17 02:33 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I see, well I'll just have to experience it for myself then. I'm curious to see what my interpretations of the experience will be, I just hope that profound feeling is still there with DMT.

Because I hate when people just call a powerful experience "profound" simply because it was powerful but if it doesn't feel meaningful and important then it's not profound so hopefully does DMT really have this.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #24030758 - 01/22/17 02:39 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I personally found it to be incredibly profound. Besides the intensity, there was a divine feeling to it.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24030796 - 01/22/17 02:56 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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I see, well I'll just have to experience it for myself then. I'm curious to see what my interpretations of the experience will be, I just hope that profound feeling is still there with DMT.

Because I hate when people just call a powerful experience "profound" simply because it was powerful but if it doesn't feel meaningful and important then it's not profound so hopefully does DMT really have this.



pro·found
prəˈfound/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a state, quality, or emotion) very great or intense.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #24030843 - 01/22/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

There's multiple definitions for the word profound, for example if you say a drug produces "profound changes in consciousness" then yes in that sense it means powerful but when someone says their last mushroom or LSD trip was "so profound" they usually mean meaningful.

To me profound means important and/or deeply meaningful, I never really use it in place for the word powerful or strong.

You missed the second definition btw: "Having or showing great knowledge or insight."


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #24030872 - 01/22/17 03:21 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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There's multiple definitions for the word profound, for example if you say a drug produces "profound changes in consciousness" then yes in that sense it means powerful but when someone says their last mushroom or LSD trip was "so profound" they usually mean meaningful.

To me profound means important and/or deeply meaningful, I never really use it in place for the word powerful or strong.

You missed the second definition btw: "Having or showing great knowledge or insight."



Point is, you're attempting to define an experience that transcends language.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #24030905 - 01/22/17 03:30 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

What are you even talking about? That's not defining the experience that's just saying it was meaningful.


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Re: Is it true mushrooms at high doses are similar to DMT [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #24030933 - 01/22/17 03:39 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Are you suggesting that it's possible to put the psychedelic experience perfectly into words because everyone already knows it's not..

You know that when people describe trips they don't mean it literally right? Like the words they use and the metaphors are just deceptions not literal interpretations.

When people take psilocybin, LSD and DMT and they talk about the things they "saw" the stuff they saw was not EXACTLY what they're describing it's simply just the closest thing they could relate it to.
Like when someone takes a large amount of mushrooms and says they saw elves obviously they didn't actually see the classical elves that we all know and love that's just the closest thing that person could relate it to.

I thought all of this was already implied? These are psychedelics we're talking about here, no word accurately or 100% describes it and never will.


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