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Can new landlord refuse us or my dog?
    #24025921 - 01/20/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

My girlfriends dog bit someone recently. Again. She has a criminal charge of "failure to control a dangerous dog." Both very minor bites. Not convicted yet of the latest charge. We are trying to move apartments. And I'm nervous that when they do a tenant background check, they will see the charge and either refuse my girlfriend because of her charge (unlikely) or refuse our dog to come with us.

But we have him registered as an Emotional Support Animal because she has a minor disability. So he is allowed to come with us even if apartment has a no pet policy. But I'm not so sure with the criminal charge.

What should I say if they ask about it? Maybe say it was when she was watching over her parents dog? That it wasn't our dog? Can they even refuse him since he is an EMA even with the charge?


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24025934 - 01/20/17 03:23 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Federally yes they must allow.  But sorta grey zone with the criminal complaint.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24025939 - 01/20/17 03:24 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

It differs by state and municipality I imagine. As long as the landlord accepts dogs though, don't really see him denying you unless they have a policy on "aggressive dog breeds" or something they mentioned to you.

But I'm just chiming in, I don't actually know or anything.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24025942 - 01/20/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Federal law requires the landlord to allow emotional support dog.  Most landlords don't give two shits about the law or know the law.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24025969 - 01/20/17 03:34 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Well this complex is huge and they have their own lawyer. And will do a background check. I just feel like it's going to raise some questions


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin] * 7
    #24025983 - 01/20/17 03:40 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

If you weren't a negligent owner and trained your dog this wouldn't have happened


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: MagicMush123]
    #24026041 - 01/20/17 03:56 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

If they do a background check on her and the charge comes up then probably YES.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24026062 - 01/20/17 04:00 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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PatrickKn said:
don't really see him denying you unless they have a policy on "aggressive dog breeds" or something they mentioned to you.

But I'm just chiming in, I don't actually know or anything.





I agree with this.

Years ago I had a Chow/German Shepard mix, he looked more like a German than a Chow though, but had a purple chow tongue which raised some eyebrows from a place trying to get into.  Just explained the dog was well behaved, and IF there were any incidents I would find other housing, never had an issue though.

This was over 10 years ago though, and down south, so maybe laws have changed, I don't know.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin] * 2
    #24026078 - 01/20/17 04:03 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Put a  muzzle on the dog if it can't stop biting people....geez. How does a dog biting some kid give a person emotional support??


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24026097 - 01/20/17 04:07 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Biting people is emotionally gratifying, people need to stop living vicariously throught their pets


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24026117 - 01/20/17 04:13 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

no the landlord is not required to automatically allow an emotional support animal. They are required to allow an emotional support animal if the tenant provides a doctors note stating the animal is needed for a disability related to a mental illness and that the animal is required to mitigate the disability.

Different law from a service animal.

The landlord also cannot bar her from renting because of charges, only convictions.

If she has no disability that a doctor states requires this animal for mental health reasons then you may not be able to, but this doesn't mean the landlord knows the laws fully either, you can probably bluff your way through if you have anything somewhat official looking for paperwork for the dog.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: digitalgraphiti] * 1
    #24026120 - 01/20/17 04:15 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

They can just deny you without stating the reason, or give you a bs excuse.

That dog should be put down for biting people.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: digitalgraphiti]
    #24026129 - 01/20/17 04:19 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Yeah you can't just say it's an emotional support animal.

And if it bites another tenant they could take you to court over it and have you thrown out. Even if it's an official emotional support animal.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24026131 - 01/20/17 04:19 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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How does a dog biting some kid give a person emotional support??



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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin] * 3
    #24026145 - 01/20/17 04:23 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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But we have him registered as an Emotional Support Animal because she has a minor disability. So he is allowed to come with us even if apartment has a no pet policy. But I'm not so sure with the criminal charge.



You sound like a typical renter whos a burden/leach on the system


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24026147 - 01/20/17 04:24 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Some people deserve to get bit. Both times I got bit (like a real skin breaking blood daring bite) it's because I got in the dogs safe space when it was clearly agitated. The second time the dog repeatedly warned me to back off and I didn't listen so he snapped at me. I don't think he actually meant to bite me so much as to get me out of his space (my own dog and I've seen him give plenty of warning snaps to other dogs so I think that's what it was) but again I was too close and he caught me under the nose and on my forehead.

Bit scary when you realize a dog can get it's jaws around your entire face. But it was definitely my fault and not the dogs. I was in its space, harassing it, when it was clearly upset.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 4
    #24026186 - 01/20/17 04:40 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

A girl and I were having an argument once, her dog which I had been around since he was a puppy and had practically raised myself was there, she got really mad at me and raised a glass like she was going to hit me with it or something, her dog attacked her.:lol:

I have never, and would never train an animal to attack a person, so that was a shock to see her dog take my side, only gave her a small nip in the leg, but enough to draw blood and scare her to death.

We lived together for a few years after that, but she always acted distant from her dog after that.  I think because I was around her pooch more than she was, that the dog figured I was its owner.  I used to lay on the floor and wrassle with him, when I let him outside to shit I would run under the moon and howl with him like a nut job, I think he thought I was like lord of the dogs or something, so took my back by default.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24026197 - 01/20/17 04:43 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Yeah, your dog bites people? It's not a legit "emotional support animal."


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: eeso]
    #24026228 - 01/20/17 04:56 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

My parents and I do not accept dogs in any or our apartments/houses. Perfectly legal if it's on the rental contract as a clause. High risk for dmages, piss stains and accidents


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Patlal]
    #24026280 - 01/20/17 05:07 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

But you guys accept cats?


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #24026297 - 01/20/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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But you guys accept cats?




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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Patlal]
    #24026335 - 01/20/17 05:25 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

The first incident occurred when he was a puppy and my girlfriends and neighbors doors were right besides each other. Bad timing. He is a protective dog, but certainly a safe pet. We have a muzzle now. The last incident occurred when he was outside on his tiedown leash and a kid approached him. Very minor bite but mostly scared the kid.

He is licensed due to my girlfriend having a legitimate medical disability. On his paperwork, it says he cannot be denied even at a no pet policy apartment. But obviously with this impending charge, I could see it raising some eyebrows. How are we going to be able to bring him anywhere if no one excepts him? The only way I can see it working is if the license prohibits them from denying us. Otherwise, I don't know what to do


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24026342 - 01/20/17 05:28 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

You'll find a place


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24026696 - 01/20/17 08:19 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

I have an idea if they refuse him though. our dog will stay at her parents for now. We move into a new apartment without the dog. They do the background check but see we don't have a dog anymore. Then after awhile, we bring the dog back and notify the leasing office we have a new dog. And also registered as her ESA.

I know what you're thinking and yes, I'm a shady motherfucker. But I'm kinda stuck in the middle here. I wasn't home either time the bites occurred and she refuses to live without the dog. Gotta find a way to cheat the system I suppose


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24026721 - 01/20/17 08:33 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Landlords get around this sort of thing all the time by saying they found someone else with better credit, better references, willing to pay higher rent... If he really doesn't want to rent to you he won't.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #24026753 - 01/20/17 08:50 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Well, if they won't allow our dog, then I'm assuming most places won't allow him either. So I may have to leave the dog at her parents for now. Until we can figure something out and move anyways.

But it is very frustrating because it was her carelessness that caused this, yet she's too stubborn to even entertain the very real possibility that he can't come with us. Complete denial. So then I'm left with talking to people online instead about it... :teareally:


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24026796 - 01/20/17 09:14 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

But if you leave the dog with her parents, won't the disorder come back??

Keep that giant marauding godless killing machine away from me!


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: shadyy]
    #24026844 - 01/20/17 09:32 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Dude if you knew this dog, youd be surprised. He's scares of his own shadow haha. Doesn't even bark, like at all. He's so polite that when I give him a treat, he just stares at it, then me and waits. He truly is a wonderful dog. And it's a damn shame this has happened to him. I'm pretty upset with my girlfriend for letting this happened. But she's already really torn up about it all and feels guilty. Sucks to see this happen to her. But honestly she did it to herself. There are somethings she just doesn't take care of or do well. Love the girl, but shit like this was gonna catch up with her eventually.

I love this dog a lot and want to fight to get him back. But idk how at this point. Tender situation... create a good illusion.. feel the grip of your salvation. Yeah dude, this is really, a tender situation


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24026993 - 01/20/17 10:51 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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But it is very frustrating because it was her carelessness that caused this, yet she's too stubborn to even entertain the very real possibility that he can't come with us.





clearly she was too careless to properly train the dog as well. it's people like her
that give breeds of dogs bad names. train the dog and tell people to stay away.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24027011 - 01/20/17 11:02 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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Quote:

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But it is very frustrating because it was her carelessness that caused this, yet she's too stubborn to even entertain the very real possibility that he can't come with us.





clearly she was too careless to properly train the dog as well. it's people like her
that give breeds of dogs bad names. train the dog and tell people to stay away.




Our new neighbors have a "service dog" that has attacked six others already. It's obviously not an emotional or physical support animal. It doesn't fear bite, it always goes for dogs necks and kids hands/heads. It's a black lab. I've had pit bulls and rotties sweet as angels. I hope there's some law they're breaking and they get caught because from what I've seen, I bet the service vest is fake, and they're gonna hurt someone or kill someone else's companion.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Adden]
    #24027073 - 01/20/17 11:35 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

I totally get why some dogs legitimately are dangerous and need to either be put down or kept away from the public. My dogs incident is 100% my girlfriends fault. He doesn't deserve to sufffer, but I agree she shouldn't be able to keep him if she doesn't learn to control or train him. If anything, he needs a new owner or to give complete control over to me. Which is what I'm hoping will happen.

At this point, I just have to wait and see what happens. And hope she learns to accept the consequences so we can learn from it and move on. All this stress could have been avoided. I'm hoping she will at least let us move into an apartment without the dog for now. And find a way to either cope or adhere to the responsibility if we eventually get him back.


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24027084 - 01/20/17 11:40 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

She might also dump you so she can stay with the dog at her moms

Youve been warned


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24027092 - 01/20/17 11:43 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

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Our new neighbors have a "service dog" that has attacked six others already. It's obviously not an emotional or physical support animal. It doesn't fear bite, it always goes for dogs necks and kids hands/heads. It's a black lab. I've had pit bulls and rotties sweet as angels. I hope there's some law they're breaking and they get caught because from what I've seen, I bet the service vest is fake, and they're gonna hurt someone or kill someone else's companion.




because of changes in the laws a few years ago it allowed for tens of thousands of
people to get the service dog status for their untrained pet so they could do as
they please without repercussions, it's actually doing a lot more harm than good for
those that legitimately need service animals


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I totally get why some dogs legitimately are dangerous and need to either be put down or kept away from the public. My dogs incident is 100% my girlfriends fault. He doesn't deserve to sufffer




put the girlfriend down, tell her to stop the bullshit service animal game because
the dog is untrained, that ot make her train the dog, legitimately train the dog
so it will qualify as a service animal and she isnt just some selfish, self
centered cunt that's willing to keep up the pretense until the point the courts
force her to put the dog down. if she loves this dog she will put in the effort to
train it


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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24027225 - 01/21/17 01:19 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

There is another solution with what to do with the dog.



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Re: Can new landlord refuse us or my dog? [Re: digitalgraphiti]
    #24027788 - 01/21/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

If we magically are able to get him back and move in with us to a new apartment, I will tell her to train him legitimately as a service dog. Otherwise, he will have to live at her parents, the shelter or be put down.


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