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Not quite pin porn but...
#24025879 - 01/20/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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They have been in the sgfc for 7 days and get home from work to have things babies greet me. My first home grown mushies
This is the noobie setup I am open to some expert advice.
I think they are about to pop
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24025926 - 01/20/17 03:20 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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nice! im doing first grow to, and just recently the shrooms came in
 and to me ur setup looks up to parr
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: cubensis333]
#24025962 - 01/20/17 03:31 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Sweet cake 333
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24026235 - 01/20/17 04:58 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Nice! You're doing great and your setup is fantastic; simple, effective, and pretty much by the book. It looks like you already understand the experts' advice for a simple first time grow. You tend to get good results easily when you follow the tried and true paths forged by experts.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: freespeech]
#24026399 - 01/20/17 05:57 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Thanks freespeach, Next is a PE mono. I was thinking coir/verm/worm casting. The rye colonized way faster than the brf.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob] 1
#24026705 - 01/20/17 08:25 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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They look fantastic. I wouldn't change anything now since they're pinning, but in the future just set the cakes on the jar lid (not band) and don't add verm to the bottom. You could even do it now if you wanted, but I suspect you'd do more damage than good. Expect some fruits to come out of the bottom though. Next time wait 48h before misting so your cake has ample time to grab the verm for a solid casing layer.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24026710 - 01/20/17 08:28 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Oh. And good job by the way. Keep up the good work.
You'll have mushrooms by next weekend. Please keep us updated.. it is refreshing to see people do it right!
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24026749 - 01/20/17 08:48 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Thanks for the advice adden, I thought the wet verm in the lids would be a good source of some extra water. I have noticed the mycelium growing into it. Not sure if that's good or bad. I do rotate the chamber 180 degrees every couple days as the front seems to dry faster.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24026789 - 01/20/17 09:11 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Damn that light doh. Specs?
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Florescent grow light 125w 6500k... do you think it's too much... it was the smallest one they had at the place
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24026843 - 01/20/17 09:32 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Oh no they are gonna love that. I want one lol
But it's a lot of wattage for just 1 tub. You could fruit 10 sgfcs with that point light. Just food for thought cause it'll make an impact on your electric bill a little
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Oh cool... Yeah my girl tries to suntan with it lol
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24026876 - 01/20/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Just_A_Noob said: Oh cool... Yeah my girl tries to suntan with it lol

She should come over under my 2000W of high pressure sodium, get a base
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24026948 - 01/20/17 10:25 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Just_A_Noob said: Thanks for the advice adden, I thought the wet verm in the lids would be a good source of some extra water. I have noticed the mycelium growing into it. Not sure if that's good or bad. I do rotate the chamber 180 degrees every couple days as the front seems to dry faster.
Nicely done.. if it's growing into the verm then definitely leave them be. I do the same thing but on top of my cakes. For that size jar it'd be about 2 or 3 tablespoons. It delays pinning a week or so but they all fruit from above.
When you harvest yours, don't disturb the verm/myc in the lids. Just twist and pull.
The reason I add my verm on top is (not only coz I'm using the wrong jars), but it allows me to place the cake itself as close to the perlite as I can. Reason being, the evaporation from the perlite titillates those thousands of microclimates formed between the verm and the myc. It allows FAE up and down the whole surface and is as big of a pinning trigger as light.
Next time too, I found that this helps, is to let your cakes sit for 48h after a roll. I've had much more consistent cakes. It lets the mycelium 1) recover from their dunk and 2) start to colonize their casing layer. No microclimates for fruiting if there is no verm.
These 3 things gave me much better cakes that always fruited mainly out of the top, were easily moved, and would flush once and be done. No fooling around with a 1.5 flush. Just cut the top of the cake off and harvest. Also, if the cakes ever dry out, you can sit them in a shallow dish to soak up water.
Don't forget there is no rush on misting. Your cakes, as a "whole" organism, just went from a sterile environment with barely enough water and no fresh air. You're giving them all the water they will ever need. They're also getting light. So give the cake a break, let it acclimate, then start misting. You'll end up with more even pin sets, or if you do top-verm, a single solid flush right out of the top of it. Verm won't fall off the sides and deprive the cake of 75% of its pinning surface.
I admire your eye for detail. My chamber had to be turned every few days.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24026964 - 01/20/17 10:32 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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After dunking 24 hrs I rolled in 50/50 verm/perlite... I guess I read it somewhere
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24026971 - 01/20/17 10:38 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Ah yeah... no perlite. Just doesn't really do anything to maintain a surface climate on your cakes like verm does.
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Perlite is meant to be in your fruiting chamber only. Not on the cakes. It's not gonna kill anything. It is non nutritious. It'll delay pinning though because mycelium will crawl in every nook and crannie looking for water or food.
I bet, then, that you could probably get away with not misting once all your pins come in. They have plenty to work with.
Sometimes though when people do this it dries out their cakes.
Do you mind taking a couple pictures of your cakes? They're in open air, just wash your hands and don't touch them with the hand that touched your cell phone (bacteria).
Next time, don't forget to group them as closely together as you can. They love company. It'll help form another microclimate around them as a whole. Since they're pinning now just leave it.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24027041 - 01/20/17 11:22 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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I'll take some pics in the morning when the light kicks on... there was some bluing on a couple of the cakes, but also pins on most
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24027106 - 01/20/17 11:50 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Bluing could mean they're not getting enough water..
If such is the case just set them in a shallow pan and let them soak it up, change in 8h and do it again.. they'll feel the same way they did when you took them out of the dunk. You'd have to ditch the bottom lid/band. Then just keep wet verm on top.
It made me curious in that you've been rotating it so I just wanna be sure.. especially that back cake. Looks kind of tight and shriveled.
It may be worth ditching the bottom stuff to get them water. Sometimes people who use perlite accidentally get really dry shriveled and tight cakes that blue.
But you've got pins, and on day 7 which is great.
Nothing at all to be freaked out over. At all. So rest well I anxiously await pics in the morning. =)
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24027696 - 01/21/17 09:34 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Good morning all,
Got 2 shits in, my coffee, and a bowl. So I am ready to go. Just some more pics of the noob grow.

It started a small black spot but it is growing. Pin or abort? Leave it or exacto knife it off?

A little blueing next to a pin

The best looking spot so far

Some bluing and dark spots?

Some bluing and dark spots?

The chamber: The middle row was birthed 5 or 7 days after the others... The stacked cakes are two that had some uncolonized spots but a couple tiny in vitro pins so I birthed them and stuck them together... I don't know, why not.
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Oof.
Well.. I'd say bottom water the pinning ones. Put them in a shallow dish and let them soak up water. You'll see them visibly swell. Scrap the bottom verm.
I'd dunk and reroll the others after picking perlite off. Place on upside down jar lids with no bands.
That's just me, there's really no best solution to this. On struggling cakes I've found a dunk/reroll to be the best solution. It's the easiest way to get them as much water as possible.
If anyone has any other advice please let this guy know.. I haven't troubleshooted dry cakes rolled in perlite in a long, long time. There's a lot you can do.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24028737 - 01/21/17 05:30 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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After staring at it for awhile this morning, I moved the chamber to an area of the room with less airflow, moved all the cakes in the chamber as closely as possible, and put about 1/2" layer of wetted perlite up to tops of jar lids. As all the cakes have at least one visible pin, your suggestion I believe is bottom water. Do they need to be individual dishes? I had an idea of making a tray just big enough for the cakes w/straws for draining and filling
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I just put down a cookie sheet, set my cakes on it, and put like 2cm of water in. When they stop soaking it up, they're saturated. They'll be the weight they were when you dunked.
You might want to just scrap the bottom verm. It doesn't seem to be helping. People stopped doing it for a reason. Then just set the cake on an upside down jar lid.
I didn't realize how dry they were in my above posts sorry about that.
Just do whatever you think is right to rehydrate those cakes. If you do take them out, rehydrate your perlite while you're at it.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24029387 - 01/21/17 11:23 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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I would just dunk and reroll them. They look sad and dry.
If not.. bottom water the ones with pins. If the pins are on the bottom, flip them upside down in the tray and let them soak up water. Do this 2 or 3 times changing the water either when they've soaked it all up or when 6-8h passes.
Ditch the verm on the lid/band. Place the rehydrated cakes on an upside down jar lid as close to the perlite as possible. Leave them alone for 2 days then start misting again. Make sure to rehydrate and fluff up your perlite. Be certain that no perlite is stuck or clogging the holes especially the bottom. A tablespoon or two of wet verm on top can't hurt. It sounds like you're in a hot and dry environment.
They are probably pinning as a last ditch effort to reproduce being in a non-favorable environment.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Lemon Hope]
#24033924 - 01/23/17 05:55 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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So after moving the chamber to a spot with less airflow on top of a dresser (3' higher in room), a vicks vaporizer 6' away in the room, and closing the forced air vent in the room, the cakes seem to be doing better. I don't want to redunk or bottom water because of all the pins. I don't know, is it okay to bottom water with all the bottom pins I have? After this flush I'll remove the bottom verm and just put them on foil. thanks for all the help guys. And yeah its been cold and super dry where I am at.
pinning off the side and top
 pinning off bottom and side
 top pin
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That bitch is getting fat! Possible double mushie?
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Possible.. definitely let it grow all the way out. Especially if caps form and look like they're hugging. They do neat stuff and pareidolia makes them trippy af. Sometimes they can look like hearts etc. It does look like there's a lot of healthy flesh left to work with they may very well split.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24039360 - 01/25/17 05:33 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Thanks for all the help and support adden. You've got a crazy amount of patience. I realized I was over misting, and now they are growing like crazy. I am going to start some azures on rye this week too
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I wish, haha. I'm probably the most impatient person here. I just enjoy it when people come here and they have drive and passion and ask questions and seek knowledge, constantly bettering themselves and such. You can tell when someone just wants to get high. You can likewise tell when someone's gonna grow a lot of big mushrooms one day just as easy. I've seen a lot of potential in you new guys lately and it's just nice to see, so I'm more than willing to help man.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24039462 - 01/25/17 06:20 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Should I harvest this abomination?
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No it'll get bigger and cooler and it'll be more fun to eat.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24039499 - 01/25/17 06:29 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Sweet!
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Weird mushrooms are normal and fine.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: freespeech]
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I was just worried with the open cap. It was looking like it was going to abort ,but the conditions it was in have improved, and it looks like it recovered.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Just_A_Noob] 1
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Should I pick it now or can it go another day? The cap is open all the way around
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It's a mutant let it grow screw it. People mean harvest when the veil breaks and cap opens (but on healthy mushrooms).
Make sure the tops of those fruits don't get caught in the crossfire during misting. I'd assume they likely have all the water they'll need to flush coz they look wet.
I haven't grown them with verm and a lid/band underneath in like 15 years. Things are gonna be a bit wonky.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24042223 - 01/26/17 07:26 PM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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cool, thanks, I am sure I will do cakes again and I'll do them right next time. I figured I would just finish these and see how they went in. So do you not think its going to drop spores?
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Dunno. Sometimes they do sometimes they don't. I had one like that for the longest time just getting bigger and fatter and out of nowhere it ejected spores. I'm guessing they were just stuck in the cap coz things were too wet and they finally just fell out. It didn't exactly sporulate, just kind of lightly fell.
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Just_A_Noob said: cool, thanks, I am sure I will do cakes again and I'll do them right next time. I figured I would just finish these and see how they went in. So do you not think its going to drop spores?
If you're gonna do more cakes you can get them started now, so when your sgfc is said and done, you'll have germination and some colonization. I like to do mine 20 days apart but I don't use spores anymore.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: Adden]
#24042241 - 01/26/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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interesting, thanks, I will watch it closely
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So is the veil actually attached to the stem and not the cap?! And thats why its not sporing?
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nice pics!
Spores will release the mushroom is ready.
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cool thanks, first harvest!
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So I guess all these are ready right? Should I pick them all and dunk or just the big ones and let the pins finish?
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I'd pick all the ones where the veil is broken, regardless of size. Like the one on top - pick that. Your call whether to pick more than that.
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Re: Not quite pin porn but... [Re: freespeech]
#24049203 - 01/29/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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Some first flush finishing up, and some cakes poised for a second flush rebound!
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