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WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR?
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What impact has college had on your life?
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
#24023896 - 01/19/17 07:23 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: stzacrack]
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In college right now, pain in the fucking ass but I hope it pays off with a nice job
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan] 1
#24024044 - 01/19/17 08:17 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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GETTING A DEGREE WHICH WAS REQUIRED FOR MY FIELD OF WORK
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
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High $ dating/fucking service, People thinking you're doing something with your life
Nah honestly I think it's useful if you know what you want to do for the rest of your life. Or if you can get general education at least.
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Went to trade school so I dont have a college degree, but most well paying jobs now require some form of higher education. It's all about them credentials mang.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: T-Rex]
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money is crap too.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
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In my opinion, (kind of an obvious one) college has very situational benefits. I just know way too many people who got more negatives from the debt than they got positives. Then again, they had no idea what they were doing with their lives. If you dont have a plan yet, dont spend all your parents money on college.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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College is good for you if you pick a major that isn't worthless. I got a BS in computer science and now I have a fantastic IT job making bank. Could I have gotten this job without my degree? I doubt it.
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I think college is good for people who don't go right after high school.
I believe people should experience more of the world and learn more about themselves and who they truly are and what they really want before making a decision like that.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Big Worm]
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I disagree and agree.
Here's how I disagree:
I think going right after high school is a good idea because you're still in the school-zone, mentally. You're used to the routine of homework and classes and college isn't a big change in that aspect. I think some people might lose the determination to go to college as they age because it is a lot of work and they may succumb to their minimum wage job because they already have it and don't want to change and take a risk. Also I think parents are more supportive of financing their kid to go to college if it's right after high school, compared to if their kid is 25.
Here's how I agree with you:
If the person doesn't know what major they want then they shouldn't rush into college. If you don't know what major you want then you shouldn't spend thousands of dollars aimlessly.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
#24024256 - 01/19/17 09:24 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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I went to a Community College when I was 18-19 and it was literally the worst time period of my life. I was riddled with severe personal mental/emotional/social issues at the time and didn't learn a great deal about myself or the world during my time there. If anything, it was a great lesson of what I didn't want to do with my life. I didn't want to spend my time as a chronically depressed and paranoid loser with no social life, and after I ultimately decided not to kill myself and to just drop out my life went on a steady uphill swing since after. Once I started traveling and exploring new places around the country, going wherever the music brought me, I truly began to feel like i'd found my home, and the social skills I gained from doing so allowed me to maintain better relationships with my friends and family here in my small town.
I'm glad I only went to a community college and therefore only lost so much money wasted on classes there.
That being said, I know plenty of other people who went to college with a steady set of ideas and ambition as to what they wanted to do and it assisted them into sorting out their life.
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Please can you shed some light on how much math is involved in current IT jobs ? I'm having apprehensions because I'm horrible at math but it may but less coding then I though. I haven't declared a major yet because I was going to be a history major but I need something more lucrative . I can always change it but it SEEMS like a big commitment
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Seriously_trippin said: Please can you shed some light on how much math is involved in current IT jobs ? I'm having apprehensions because I'm horrible at math but it may but less coding then I though. I haven't declared a major yet because I was going to be a history major but I need something more lucrative . I can always change it but it SEEMS like a big commitment
So far in my IT career I have done little to no math. In college I took up to Calculus 2 and Business Statistics; I haven't used what I learned in those classes once yet in real life. I think colleges make you take high level math classes for IT majors because it does show you have pure logical problem-solving abilities, which is important for IT industry. I currently consult for a popular credit union and the math I perform for my testing is just basic algebra. My previous project had me doing web development and I did little to no math in that project, too.
If you're horrible at math then you will probably struggle with the math classes required for a computer science degree, though your mileage will vary school by school with how difficult the math requirements are.
Regarding your history major idea, from what I know, it might be tricky to find a good paying job with that degree. Don't quote me on that, though, I don't know that field very well. From what I'm reading online right now, you could use that undergraduate history degree to pursue graduate law school.
You mentioned coding... are you wanting to program as a job? You could possibly get an IT job with no IT degree if you make a few projects on your own. A fantastic idea would be to make your own website to sell yourself, then just give employers your website link. Try making a website using AngularJS, or better yet, AngularJS 2.
In my previous project a coworker made a graph for heteroskedasticity... that took some pretty intense math to make. The word is so fun to say that I memorized it lol..
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: I disagree and agree.
Here's how I disagree:
I think going right after high school is a good idea because you're still in the school-zone, mentally. You're used to the routine of homework and classes and college isn't a big change in that aspect. I think some people might lose the determination to go to college as they age because it is a lot of work and they may succumb to their minimum wage job because they already have it and don't want to change and take a risk. Also I think parents are more supportive of financing their kid to go to college if it's right after high school, compared to if their kid is 25.
Here's how I agree with you:
If the person doesn't know what major they want then they shouldn't rush into college. If you don't know what major you want then you shouldn't spend thousands of dollars aimlessly.
I think it takes more than just being accustomed to a routine to be successful in college.
When you truly know who you are and what you want to do, that will give you the drive to succeed.
Not being 18 and changing your major every semester because you learn and grow as a person and realize you are setting a path to the rest of your life at such a young age. And you also develop other interests as you get older and learn more about the world and more opportunities that are available.
And what parents paying for college? Lol. My mom could barely afford rent.
I don't believe people with parents who can fund an entire college education are the majority. I had to apply for grants, get financial aid, went right after high school and ended up dropping out because I finally realized I didnt really know what I wanted to do with the rest of my life at that age.
Now I'm more successful as a college dropout and happier with my choices because I've travelled and learned so much more about the world and different ways of living that I never knew at the age of 18 that college could never teach me then setting myself up for a 9-5 for the rest of my life by the time I'm 21.
And there are of plenty of people with college diplomas succumbing to minimum wage jobs as well as dropouts.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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College is good if you need it for your specific field Otherwise its a waste of time, effort and money
I dropped out of college when I broke up with my then fiance, she was the reason I went, typical teenager decision. Really glad I left because its irrelevant to anything I would want to do, even if I stopped pursuing music performance or teaching, college wont help my backup plans at all.
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In college I took up to Calculus 2 and Business Statistics; I haven't used what I learned in those classes once yet in real life.
*somewhat random comment alert*
I'm a plant biologist. Although I've never used my college calculus, I use my high school algebra frequently.
And . . .
In the workplace, a college degree carries weight because it demonstrates you can stay focused on a goal for more than 17 minutes.
Many people are unable/unwilling to perform multi-year goals. Often the people who can make better employees.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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business is the stupidest & most egregious concept to ever disgrace the human mind.
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I was a 10th grade HS dropout with a GED at 17. Partied my ass off and learned a great deal about life/love/people (still learning). I finally had to go back at age 44 and get a degree to get to a place to be comfy like I want to be. Still took me another few years to finally get my nursing license due to life getting in the way after I got the degree. I have traveled some but will have more opportunities to do so.
I was a shy kid and young adult and working in bars and restaurants helped me to be very social. I also learned about life in some ways I never could have (or should have,lol) if I hadn't taken the roads I did. I am happy about the direction/roads I am taking now more than ever. I would have wasted everyone's time and money (my own, mom was poor, single parent kid here) if I had gone to college in my 20's. I was in party mode and I was taking that path no matter what.
So in answer to the question, college is good for getting to a certain level in life in a lot of cases. Some people get lucky and fall into something that they do not need college for, but it is very helpful a lot of times. If one wants to advance to a certain level in life these days college is necessary mostly from my point of view. I think even janitors need a resume these days. I guess it's subjective to the person as well.
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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
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Seriously_trippin said: Please can you shed some light on how much math is involved in current IT jobs ? I'm having apprehensions because I'm horrible at math but it may but less coding then I though. I haven't declared a major yet because I was going to be a history major but I need something more lucrative . I can always change it but it SEEMS like a big commitment
So far in my IT career I have done little to no math. In college I took up to Calculus 2 and Business Statistics; I haven't used what I learned in those classes once yet in real life. I think colleges make you take high level math classes for IT majors because it does show you have pure logical problem-solving abilities, which is important for IT industry. I currently consult for a popular credit union and the math I perform for my testing is just basic algebra. My previous project had me doing web development and I did little to no math in that project, too.
If you're horrible at math then you will probably struggle with the math classes required for a computer science degree, though your mileage will vary school by school with how difficult the math requirements are.
Regarding your history major idea, from what I know, it might be tricky to find a good paying job with that degree. Don't quote me on that, though, I don't know that field very well. From what I'm reading online right now, you could use that undergraduate history degree to pursue graduate law school.
You mentioned coding... are you wanting to program as a job? You could possibly get an IT job with no IT degree if you make a few projects on your own. A fantastic idea would be to make your own website to sell yourself, then just give employers your website link. Try making a website using AngularJS, or better yet, AngularJS 2.
In my previous project a coworker made a graph for heteroskedasticity... that took some pretty intense math to make. The word is so fun to say that I memorized it lol..
Thank you, that helps my descion quite a lot.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Big Worm]
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Big Worm said:
I think college is good for people who don't go right after high school.
I believe people should experience more of the world and learn more about themselves and who they truly are and what they really want before making a decision like that.
Don't wait until you "know who you are" before going to college. That's a mistake!
A high-school grad can get a university Bachelors degree in 48 weeks.
That ain't much considering a 40 + year career in the work force.
I've never met a college grad who said it was a waste of time.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
#24024522 - 01/19/17 11:41 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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When I finished high school, I was pretty burnt out, and I don't think there's anything really better I could have done. I also got a full-ride scholarship so that was more reason to go. Some people say that you can make much more money in the long run by not going to college, but knowing how much I lacked resourcefulness and motivation when I was 18, I'm confident that there's nothing better I would have done.
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Celestial Traveler said:
Some people say that you can make much more money in the long run by not going to college...
Beware of this type of diatribe! I earn triple what I'd make without a degree.
Yes, once high school grads get a taste of cash, college seems ludicrous.
But a college degree is 48 weeks, with summers to do what you wish.
Tiny investment with a giant reward.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said: I've never met a college grad who said it was a waste of time.
Maybe not a waste of time because I had a hell of a lot of fun, but definitely a waste of money. College is pretty stupid unless you have a specific career in mind that requires a degree.
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Repertoire89 said: College is good if you need it for your specific field Otherwise its a waste of time, effort and money
This. Personally college was necessary for me, and I'm really glad I went. I used grants to get it covered, and went back in my mid-twenties, knowing exactly what I wanted to do. And now I'm doing that debt free. I know a lot of people that went straight out of HS & are now paying off debt, while working in completely non-related fields to their degrees. I also know some people that never went & doing fine financially. The thing is, you need something. Whether it's college, trade school, IT or other certs..... I don't know many people without a plan or any of that stuff that are actually working a job they like, or making real money. You need some kind of skill. Some folks sell drugs, but that's not a realistically sustainable option. Maybe growing weed in a legal state.....but who knows how the new administration is gonna handle that. I don't see them leaving it alone. And I'd be willing to bet a lot of folks growing in those states aren't following the state laws in that regard, which sets them up for a fall.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Tiny investment with a giant reward.
giant investment = unsure reward.
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Don't wait until you "know who you are" before going to college. That's a mistake!
usually people don't "know" what they want, they predict what they think they want, and they get comfortable with things.
a mistake is assuming that kids..yes, kids...know what they're gonna want to dedicate their ENTIRE LIFE TO.
 humanity...stupid. infinitely stupid.
i wanna be a doctor! (until i don't, then it's just a big waste of fucking life. just like going up to a mountain and meditating for years. waste...of...time.)
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
#24024796 - 01/20/17 06:12 AM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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I think college can teach you useful, basic skills. I took numerous technical writing and basic communication classes. Along with these basic skills come things like time management, setting longer term goals/projects and learning to work with others. I also think there is inherent value in learning about diverse topics to become a well-rounded person. I recall taking a couple poetry and art classes where I studied things I never would have if it weren't a requirement.
Then there is the social development that comes from being around young adults and obviously, the career and networking aspects to obtain a job and career prospects.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Blend]
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I've an associates in chemistry- the associates is pretty much useless but I'm glad I did it. I need to finish the bachelors because then it'll actually help contribute to me getting a real career going.
I'm 31 and still working shit jobs.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Maverick]
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Yep. I have an ASN (2 years) for nursing that allows me to test for the RN license (have the LPN through that course) and I will use the job to help pay for my bachelors. I don't think I have a masters in me,lol. Has anyone ever noticed a 50yo+ waitperson or bartender? It's pretty sad sometimes, unless they are in a place where they are making decent money and have insurance or it's a second job for extra cash etc... Once one hits 40 or more it's good to have some kind of solid job or income of some kind, and that depends on what they want in life meaning kids or not etc.... I barely got everything going for a second career, but I'm doing it!
That motto of one can make more money without college depends on the connections one has, family money, working from the time one is in their teens, if they are a computer person, does a trade like painting or car repair, and many other factors. The self made millionaire thing is mostly internet biz these days isn't it?
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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The thing that has helped me get my fancy pants lower middle class insurance office job the most was being dual enrolled in highschool and college. Under those grounds I could go to the county technical center and take certification tests for free.
I got the following: IC3 Powerpoint Word Excel Webmasters Finance Business Computer Applications
The "office" certification you can take online and it looks good to idiot office employers. Finance & accounting are great for any financial relative job. IC3 & WM helped me move into my current job which is location research using the world wide web.
I went back to college looking to get a degree in science or conservation and dropped out because I got really depressed about the reality that no one gives a shit about the environment and if I did go all that way and got into "fighting for the environment" I'd probably definitely end up committing suicide in a couple years.
That being said I am happy I went back. Just because I like learning. But mind you in most colleges a true passion and desire to learn is very counterproductive to getting your degree. There's a reason people only learn what they need for finals and then forget everything the moment they pass. It's not really designed to have you "learn" it's designed to make you a better business lackey.
If you want to learn go to college n be prepared to fail. If you want better job prospects go to technical school and don't waste your time in college. When you get out of college you'll find everyone else has a BA too and you don't mean shit next to the people that have experience.
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if I didn't go to school i'd probably own a house by now have a new car ....
college only gets you a good job if you're willing to re-located and even then it doesn't pay much most of the time but it's probably significantly easier then another job
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: LSDollar]
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I voted
Didn't help with a job(a little but not too much overall)
Glad I went though. Learning is always nice.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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wish I hadn't gone. about to graduate.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Should or shouldnt
Is or is not
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yeah my friend went for a business degree and so far his web design 101 class paid off more he works for google, his business degree was useless in a way
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college was good for exploring myself and the world around me. allowed a degree of freedom i had yet to experience but longed for. the college classes/experience itself was mostly useless (outside of some Ag/Anth courses). that being said, i focused on growing/extracting/consuming/sharing a plethora of illegal plants/compounds and riding my bicycle/traveling around the US by car
i also almost graduated in three years, but got fucked over by the person overseeing my course-plan
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did not go to college(or didn't finish, at least) and I'm glad I didn't. I lucked out with securing a decent job in tech, and while one day I may go back I'm not doing it unless I work for a company that does tuition reimbursement.
Average networth of millenials is -17k - that is NEGATIVE $17,000.00. When I see that and realize I'm not in any debt at all at 24 it makes me extremely extremely grateful I ended up making the choices I did.
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Im currently going to school because Im scared. Ill atleast be able to score a job with X amount of money and benefits so I can fund my hobbies. It only takes a portion of a few years of your time then you have it the rest of your life. just my opinion. Many people can make their own way without college, like I said I'm scared Ill mess up somehow and be a laborer for 40 years.
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Tbh I think going to college right out of high school is a bad idea. I kind of wish I took some time off (probably a year) to really explore possible careers/salaries first. I will be graduating next year with a degree that will give me pretty bad job prospects until I get an MS.
All in all I like my field but I kind of wish I pursued an accounting/finance degree. I'd be happy with either path but the latter would probably make me more money.
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It think it's an incredibly terrible idea to teach kids that it's okay to take out huge amounts of money in loans before they even fully comprehend what it is they're committing to - especially when there's a solid chance they haven't even really figured out what it is they truly want to study or have committed to paying for what amounts to an essentially worthless degree.
I don't think getting an education itself is a bad choice, but things are out of control in terms of tuition cost and job market saturation. I don't blame anyone for going down that road because it was hammered into our heads that this is what we had to do to be successful and that was wrong.
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Chwyn said: Ill atleast be able to score a job with X amount of money and benefits....
you hope
i was lied to about realistic job availability by many in my field of study, including USDA representatives
there's a good chance you're being lied to about the current and future job market as well
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pirate-blues said: I don't blame anyone for going down that road because it was hammered into our heads that this is what we had to do to be successful and that was wrong.
This is pretty much what happened to me haha. I don't really blame my high school teachers and local politicians too much though. They probably all graduated college before the .com bubble burst and don't have any experience with the current job market. The only person I can fault is myself for not being more critical/informed.
I think another problem is that people start applying for colleges when they are 16/17. Not to mention all the test taking/test prep that goes into applying for college (SAT, ACT, AP Tests, ect.). By the time you reach 18 it can feel like your life is on a track and steering off it is inconceivable.
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Chwyn said: Ill atleast be able to score a job with X amount of money and benefits....
you hope
i was lied to about realistic job availability by many in my field of study, including USDA representatives
there's a good chance you're being lied to about the current and future job market as well
It's definitely true that a lot of people will lie to you about your potential career. It seems like the only education route that guarantees a job nowadays is pre-med undergrad to med school. However, a career in medicine is a very serious lifelong commitment. From what I've read Physician burnout is on the rise Despite this, I still think it's better to have a degree than not to. People just need to do a lot of research before they decide which one to pursue.
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When I was in high school they really pushed the notion that you have to go to college to get a good career & be able to support yourself. Also pushed going if you didn't know what you wanted to do, because "you have time to figure it out before you graduate." This led to a whole bunch of people with a ton of debt & useless degrees. Really did a disservice to my generation.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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false claims of racism political grandstanding safe spaces for snow flakes threatening to cut off your genitals if trump is inaugurated threatening to cut off your genitals if trump builds a wall
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Dont forget the rapes
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I just want to see how many guys start cutting their dicks off, no one fulfilled their promise to move if trump was elected, if they do cut off their dicks then clearly the rapes will be reduced
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Well to be fair, its not like they didnt try. It just turns out that immigrating is a long, expensive process (even for a celeb). A process that the majority of people arent qualified for. I'm sure people would immigrate if they could, its just that canada doesnt want half a million useless, unskilled americans flooding their country
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yep the same thing happened to me they changed the entry requirements 2 times for my major while I was going to school there and now college is supposed to be free in a couple years for fuck boi's
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I'm glad I went. Enabled me to get a good job, paid off my student loan in a few years and live debt free. Money is being saved for island property, hopefully have that down and breaking ground before I'm 30.
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lol... they went as far as crashing the candian immigration site, for some reason they didnt want to look toward mexico, one of the countries they say we should welcome the illegally immigrating inhabitants with open arms. why wouldnt they go south where it's always sunny and warm? could it be because it's full of mexicans and their bigoted asses dont want to be around the brown people?
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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So mexicans are trying to immigrate from mexico because they hate other mexicans?
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In college right now, pain in the fucking ass but I hope it pays off with a nice job 
Many graduates say college is a cake walk compared to working 40 hours a week for a boss.
In college, if you don't show up to class, it's no big deal.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said: When I was in high school they really pushed the notion that you have to go to college to get a good career & be able to support yourself. Also pushed going if you didn't know what you wanted to do, because "you have time to figure it out before you graduate." This led to a whole bunch of people with a ton of debt & useless degrees. Really did a disservice to my generation.
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Still laughing about folks complaining about 20-30K of debt when a decent career gets you a few million.
You can eat healthy and exercise every day and drop dead when you are 25.
You can get a degree and be unsuccessful in finding the job of your dreams.
That's life folks. "There ain't no guarantees" is a cornerstone of mental health.
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Why the fuck do we have to make this another political rape thread?
That woman looks like a gypsy hippie. Not a dumb slut whore.
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You can eat healthy and exercise every day and drop dead when you are 25.
You can get a degree and be unsuccessful in finding the job of your dreams.
That's life folks. "There ain't no guarantees" is a cornerstone of mental health.
That's why I say if you want to go to school do it for something that is personally important to you. Something you will actively enjoy learning. And pay for it yourself as much as you can, if it takes you 10 years. For all the people I know that have a useless degree I know almost as many that have a useful degree in a field they hate.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Konyap]
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I mean it probably helps that most of the people I know don't have a degree
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I think college is good for learning, but thats about it.. How u apply and use what uve learned is sumthing u gotta learn for urself me thinks..
The way i see it, college is just high school for adults, cuz u can only go to high school for a few years see, but u can go to college forever! Pussy, money, and college, thats all a nigga need.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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again, Near Dylan needs help with life questions- instead of being full-Dylan, and not giving a fuck.
Collage is for those whom have a clear-cut idea of what profession they want to pertain to. it's not for everybody, yet everyone drudges the institution up with their bullshit, ruining the capacity for a degree's valuation, for everyone else.
basically, at this point, it's a dog and pony show for those who are trying to learn new information- easily accessible, at this point, on the internet, for free.
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I already went to college. Just wanted to spark conversation and see the general consensus of the usefulness of "collage". Interestingly enough it seems to vary drastically from person to person
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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Good for nuthin I always say.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said: I already went to college. Just wanted to spark conversation and see the general consensus of the usefulness of "collage". Interestingly enough it seems to vary drastically from person to person
because it entirely depends on their purview of their time spent/wasted.
that's, at least, what i've noted, here in this thread.
and which is an odd thing to focus on when it comes to such an important element of our growth in society, from childhood onward, when one wants to claim that it's "so great"...because clearly there is something wrong here.
frankly, highschool should be done away with and college started early. or at the very least, cut schooldays in half, and halt homework, and hone in on a more productive study plan to coerce children to pay more attention in school; could get twice the work done in half the time, like Finland does...although, maybe that might not apply to our "rowdy" young demographic- though that also seems like to change soon. annoying brat hoodlum kids are out now (which is good, definitely; but not at all predictable, i could just be seeing a temporary trend in the media.)
but getting whatever certificate, nonetheless, that one is working long and hard for, is something that is impossible to not admire, to at least some extent...i admire it greatly- especially when that someone is happy and fulfilled, and knew exactly what they wanted to do- even if it's not all of what gets done- because that is just hard work, and that's worth the admiration.
simply having an opinion on school and education can very easily and readily mean nothing. i mean, it's how we raise our children into adults in this world...if we can't rely on that, then that speaks very ill of us, as people. yet, time and time again, we discuss how things can be improved...and school is just one of those things that people always tend to dime on...probably because most of those people don't actually work in schools....
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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I thought college was fun? but besides that college is necessary in my family. and I expect the same from my 3 kids
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Near Dylan]
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In case this hasn't been said:
DON'T GO TO COLLEGE!
Unless you are getting a STEM degree, there's no point. You will just get indoctrinated into thinking everything wrong in your life is someone else's fault and the only thing you should value are your differences and that all people face oppression because some other group oppresses them based on those differences.
Make sure, if you do go to college that you can get a real job when you get out. Which means no liberal arts. Because if you go liberal arts, you have to go for more schooling and more schooling before you qualify to teach at a college. And then you'll teach at a college....or else choke on debt your whole life and blame the government for it instead of the fact that you didn't do any research before deciding to go to college.
Go to trade school.
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Because im a minority i feel that one of the worst traps to be in is not having a secure high paying job.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Mikeify]
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What does being a minority have to do with that?
Everybody wants that.
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More competition basically
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It doesn't matter if you're a minority or majority. A good, high paying job is a good, high paying job for anybody.
One of my friends/coworkers is black. His mom works at a gas station and his dad is a janitor. My friend went to college and is now a software engineer.
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Its just that I have to be on the same level as others. and that with Trump as our pres It might be harder. So college is a must if you want to be safe
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Mikeify]
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Mikeify said: Its just that I have to be on the same level as others. and that with Trump as our pres It might be harder. So college is a must if you want to be safe
That has nothing to do with anything. You can do what you want.
What do you want to do? After college, I mean.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
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College is for those whom have a clear-cut idea of what profession they want to pertain to.
About 1/3 of college grads have a job related to their major.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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What's the percentage that have crippling debt?
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College is for those whom have a clear-cut idea of what profession they want to pertain to.
About 1/3 of college grads have a job related to their major.
And the OP doesn't even know what he wants to do, presumably.
Seems like a big gamble for an outcome that hasn't even been considered.
I think the worst thing this guy should do is go to college. Figure out what you want to do first.
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"crippling"?
Compared to buying a home, it's peanuts.
48 months and the cost of a car. No need to exaggerate.
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Except with a house, you get equity, and when you're done, you get title.
With college, you get a piece of paper that is most likely worthless.
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#24063941 - 02/03/17 10:55 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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60k in debt is pretty crippling if you dont have a significant increase in pay, which happens to a lot of people, in those cases its also debt without any merit. I know a few people buried under the combined cost of 40k+ student loan debt, 20k for their car, 700 a month and more in rent... toss in kids, court or medical issues and you're effectively fucked unless you have a decent income.
I owe a total of around $2000, didnt finish college, could make an easy $25hr if I wanted to go down another career path, or certify myself for a few hundred to make around $20hr w benefits. Thats as much as I need considering my frugal lifestyle, last thing I need is tens of thousands in arbitrary debt which would be a very serious setback
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24063952 - 02/03/17 10:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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College is for those whom have a clear-cut idea of what profession they want to pertain to.
About 1/3 of college grads have a job related to their major.
related to dick-fuck-all like they envision.
current school curriculum & and pedagogical instituion's = shoddy, at best -- save the remarkable few, alot of which are expensive as hell-fuck.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#24063974 - 02/03/17 11:12 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I cant say much about most industries, but as a musician Ive seen people come out of conservatories lacking very basic skills, the kind of skills you can well go without - but when you're spending $40000 in lessons, you should most definitely have these things drilled in.
Not a proponent of institutionalized learning, it may be necessary for doctors and engineers, but for the most part I view it as a circle jerk pyramid scheme.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24063976 - 02/03/17 11:12 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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My wife and I both got jobs in our field, fresh out of college making a combined 90k a year. This was from a shoddy, open-enrollment university
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normalcy bias.
(lol, sorry, hahaha, some people get unlucky...alot do, that's all i'm saying.)
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I_was_the_walrus said: My wife and I both got jobs in our field, fresh out of college making a combined 90k a year. This was from a shoddy, open-enrollment university
What field(s)?
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Chemistry and quantitative economics. I think its a laziness issue. I was the only person in my university to graduate with my degree when I walked. Same with my wife. Meanwhile theres like a 2 year waiting list for the nursing program. C'mon
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That makes sense
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it's also a monetary and circumstances issue.
also a that shit takes way too long and is too expensive issue, and it's drag, and being young in a drag is a shitty way to live. stress, sleep depraved gamuts of redundant crap, kinda thing.
plus, you don't know if they're all lazy, walrus, but more than that, it's kinda crude to expect that everyone should get their diploma...well, that'd just make the job market tighter, wouldn't it?
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24064031 - 02/04/17 12:02 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well Ive pursued my studies diligently for the past 10 years (my 20s and late teens), I would do it again, your profession is half your life.
While I think the educational institution isnt what it should be, I blame the students as much as the administrators, people going in not knowing what they're doing or why, pursuing useless degrees or dropping out from worthwhile programs and creating more demand... I basically did both 10 years ago
There seems to be a few big problems society should be working on sorting out, but its the individuals responsibility to make what they will of it
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it's a free country; the expectations of high-demand jobs are not my priority, i know that for a fact.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#24064047 - 02/04/17 12:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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plus, you don't know if they're all lazy, walrus, but more than that, it's kinda crude to expect that everyone should get their diploma...well, that'd just make the job market tighter, wouldn't it?
Absolutely. I'll be the first to admit that Im a jaded asshole, but I have years of experience struggling to get by in school while watching people drop off one by one.
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also a that shit takes way too long and is too expensive issue, and it's drag, and being young in a drag is a shitty way to live. stress, sleep depraved gamuts of redundant crap, kinda thing.
Which leads me to the main point - people who do stick it out tend to make more money. People are generally lazy. How can I do the least amount of work, be an average student, and make the most amount of money? AKA how can I waste thousands of dollars on a useless degree
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Which leads me to the main point - people who do stick it out tend to make more money. People are generally lazy.
Also, college grads often have many more job options. People are often lazy.
A degree helps employers try to find people who have some perseverance.
My buddy didn't go to college and makes 100K, but that's the exception, not the rule.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24064102 - 02/04/17 12:41 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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My sister's are over $100k in debt from college and don't even get paid enough in their field to pay off their debts.
They are both teachers.
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Senor_Doobie said: Except with a house, you get equity, and when you're done, you get title.
With college, you get a piece of paper that is most likely worthless.
How many college grads do you know who say their degree is worthless?
I work in research and every professional in my field has a degree.
How many doctors do you know who did not go to med school?
I learned a lot in college. Some people would rather not learn.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24064129 - 02/04/17 12:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Which leads me to the main point - people who do stick it out tend to make more money. People are generally lazy.
People are often lazy.
laziness is fine, if it doesn't lead to mistakes. not everyone has to be expected to "stick out" anything, if they think it's a waste of time.
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Senor_Doobie said: Except with a house, you get equity, and when you're done, you get title.
With college, you get a piece of paper that is most likely worthless.
How many college grads do you know who say their degree is worthless?
I work in research and every professional in my field has a degree.
How many doctors do you know who did not go to med school?
I learned a lot in college. Some people would rather not learn.
ok. what the fuck is your point? what are you advocating for, exactly? or is this diatribe a seminar on your personal philosophy?
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24064142 - 02/04/17 01:12 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know quite a few people who don't even want to work in the field they graduated in after they went to school for it for so long lol.
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#24064144 - 02/04/17 01:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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As many as otherwise, I couldnt count the number of people Ive met who regretted college or their specific degree
Often it serves as nothing more than a passport to a job one could do without the degree; with no relevant studies, there's something wrong with expecting someone to invest tens of thousands of dollars and years of study just for prestige. Ive been around enough to know someone being a college graduate doesnt imply intelligence or a hard work ethic, all it implies is topic specific education (assuming that information is retained, it often is not), so requiring it for prestige alone is simply wasteful.
You can also learn on your own time, with tutors or in specific classes, for the sake of learning, trade or certification.
Im happy with the system as is, being voluntary and irrelevant to any field which interests me. It would certainly be worth it and necessary for a practical science, the kind of work which requires it.
The jobs which needlessly require college are usually bullshit office type of work anyways, where perhaps the value of college is in expressed conformity lol
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24064145 - 02/04/17 01:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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not everyone has to be expected to "stick out" anything, if they think it's a waste of time.
Of course youre not obligated to stick it out. Everybody has a personal journey blah blah, but if Im investing millions in research and development for a certain project and you dont pull your weight because you just dont "feel" it...Im firing you.
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More bs. You definitely dont have a degree and it shows.
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Lol, Im not impressed. Would rather be an illiterate wood cutter than be a pretentious pseudo intellectual justified by caste
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#24064192 - 02/04/17 02:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Give me all the insults ya got. I tried to shed some light on the shit storm that this thread is and I'm close to done. Take from it what you want to. I've noticed that everybody in this thread giving advice not to go to college doesnt have a degree. What a shock.
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You insulted me, so you can expect the same, Id rather not trade insults.
I didnt recommend against college, for some fields its appropriate, for others not. It was said earlier that college shows determination or character, I dont agree.
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not everyone has to be expected to "stick out" anything, if they think it's a waste of time.
Of course youre not obligated to stick it out. Everybody has a personal journey blah blah, but if Im investing millions in research and development for a certain project and you dont pull your weight because you just dont "feel" it...Im firing you.
well, duh. i was talking more about school, not professional employment.
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I_was_the_walrus said: Give me all the insults ya got. I tried to shed some light on the shit storm that this thread is and I'm close to done. Take from it what you want to. I've noticed that everybody in this thread giving advice not to go to college doesnt have a degree. What a shock.
it's such a surprise that everyone with a degree is giving their own personal seminar as to why you should be expected to have one too.
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akira_akuma said: it's such a surprise that everyone with a degree is giving their own personal seminar as to why you should be expected to have one too.
How many people in this thread, who have a degree, are giving advice not to go to college? Are you getting the point?
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are you getting the point? how many people that don't have a degree are suggesting that getting a college degree is a breezy expectation that you should meet?
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24064267 - 02/04/17 03:52 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It all depends on what field you'll be getting a degree in.
Some people have good paying jobs because they have a degree in a field of high demand.
Some people don't have a job related to their field they have a degree in and are in debt they are struggling to pay off.
Some people never went to college and are financially successful
Some people who never went to college have shit jobs earning shit pay.
It could go either way.
Quality of life also comes into play.
My highest paying job was the job I hated the most. I would wake up every day not wanting to go in, regardless of how much I was making.
If you have a degree and you hate your job but you feel stuck working there because you spent years going to school for it.
Fuck.
That.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Senor_Doobie said: Except with a house, you get equity, and when you're done, you get title.
With college, you get a piece of paper that is most likely worthless.
How many college grads do you know who say their degree is worthless?
I work in research and every professional in my field has a degree.
How many doctors do you know who did not go to med school?
I learned a lot in college. Some people would rather not learn.
I'm not saying that all college degrees are worthless. Just the vast majority, and especially liberal arts degrees.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to college if you know why you are going and have a plan for after you graduate. The problems arise when people just go to college because thats what they're supposed to do after high school and walk around in a daze, not even knowing what their major is for two years, and then just picking something without ever giving it the thought it requires.
It is very dangerous.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Big Worm]
#24064566 - 02/04/17 08:28 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big Worm said: My sister's are over $100k in debt from college and don't even get paid enough in their field to pay off their debts.
They are both teachers.
Around here teaching pays fairly well, but the job market is oversupplied so a lot of new graduates spend years in supply teacher hell.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: psi]
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Don't most teaching jobs require a Master's these days?
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In Ontario you get a bachelor's degree in whatever you want, then go to teacher's college. I believe a master's degree helps put you in a higher pay category but isn't generally a requirement. My dad was a grade school teacher and later a principal.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: psi]
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I meant in the US but thanks.
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Yeah in both comments I was talking about the situation in my own region.
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