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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
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As many as otherwise, I couldnt count the number of people Ive met who regretted college or their specific degree
Often it serves as nothing more than a passport to a job one could do without the degree; with no relevant studies, there's something wrong with expecting someone to invest tens of thousands of dollars and years of study just for prestige. Ive been around enough to know someone being a college graduate doesnt imply intelligence or a hard work ethic, all it implies is topic specific education (assuming that information is retained, it often is not), so requiring it for prestige alone is simply wasteful.
You can also learn on your own time, with tutors or in specific classes, for the sake of learning, trade or certification.
Im happy with the system as is, being voluntary and irrelevant to any field which interests me. It would certainly be worth it and necessary for a practical science, the kind of work which requires it.
The jobs which needlessly require college are usually bullshit office type of work anyways, where perhaps the value of college is in expressed conformity lol
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More bs. You definitely dont have a degree and it shows.
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Lol, Im not impressed. Would rather be an illiterate wood cutter than be a pretentious pseudo intellectual justified by caste
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#24064192 - 02/04/17 02:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Give me all the insults ya got. I tried to shed some light on the shit storm that this thread is and I'm close to done. Take from it what you want to. I've noticed that everybody in this thread giving advice not to go to college doesnt have a degree. What a shock.
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You insulted me, so you can expect the same, Id rather not trade insults.
I didnt recommend against college, for some fields its appropriate, for others not. It was said earlier that college shows determination or character, I dont agree.
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not everyone has to be expected to "stick out" anything, if they think it's a waste of time.
Of course youre not obligated to stick it out. Everybody has a personal journey blah blah, but if Im investing millions in research and development for a certain project and you dont pull your weight because you just dont "feel" it...Im firing you.
well, duh. i was talking more about school, not professional employment.
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I_was_the_walrus said: Give me all the insults ya got. I tried to shed some light on the shit storm that this thread is and I'm close to done. Take from it what you want to. I've noticed that everybody in this thread giving advice not to go to college doesnt have a degree. What a shock.
it's such a surprise that everyone with a degree is giving their own personal seminar as to why you should be expected to have one too.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24064244 - 02/04/17 03:11 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: it's such a surprise that everyone with a degree is giving their own personal seminar as to why you should be expected to have one too.
How many people in this thread, who have a degree, are giving advice not to go to college? Are you getting the point?
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are you getting the point? how many people that don't have a degree are suggesting that getting a college degree is a breezy expectation that you should meet?
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24064267 - 02/04/17 03:52 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It all depends on what field you'll be getting a degree in.
Some people have good paying jobs because they have a degree in a field of high demand.
Some people don't have a job related to their field they have a degree in and are in debt they are struggling to pay off.
Some people never went to college and are financially successful
Some people who never went to college have shit jobs earning shit pay.
It could go either way.
Quality of life also comes into play.
My highest paying job was the job I hated the most. I would wake up every day not wanting to go in, regardless of how much I was making.
If you have a degree and you hate your job but you feel stuck working there because you spent years going to school for it.
Fuck.
That.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24064536 - 02/04/17 08:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: Except with a house, you get equity, and when you're done, you get title.
With college, you get a piece of paper that is most likely worthless.
How many college grads do you know who say their degree is worthless?
I work in research and every professional in my field has a degree.
How many doctors do you know who did not go to med school?
I learned a lot in college. Some people would rather not learn.
I'm not saying that all college degrees are worthless. Just the vast majority, and especially liberal arts degrees.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to college if you know why you are going and have a plan for after you graduate. The problems arise when people just go to college because thats what they're supposed to do after high school and walk around in a daze, not even knowing what their major is for two years, and then just picking something without ever giving it the thought it requires.
It is very dangerous.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Big Worm]
#24064566 - 02/04/17 08:28 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big Worm said: My sister's are over $100k in debt from college and don't even get paid enough in their field to pay off their debts.
They are both teachers.
Around here teaching pays fairly well, but the job market is oversupplied so a lot of new graduates spend years in supply teacher hell.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: psi]
#24064569 - 02/04/17 08:30 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't most teaching jobs require a Master's these days?
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In Ontario you get a bachelor's degree in whatever you want, then go to teacher's college. I believe a master's degree helps put you in a higher pay category but isn't generally a requirement. My dad was a grade school teacher and later a principal.
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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: psi]
#24064669 - 02/04/17 09:24 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I meant in the US but thanks.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Yeah in both comments I was talking about the situation in my own region.
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