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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24063905 - 02/03/17 10:41 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

"crippling"?

Compared to buying a home, it's peanuts.

48 months and the cost of a car. No need to exaggerate.


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24063914 - 02/03/17 10:44 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Except with a house, you get equity, and when you're done, you get title.

With college, you get a piece of paper that is most likely worthless.


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #24063941 - 02/03/17 10:55 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

60k in debt is pretty crippling if you dont have a significant increase in pay, which happens to a lot of people, in those cases its also debt without any merit. I know a few people buried under the combined cost of 40k+ student loan debt, 20k for their car, 700 a month and more in rent... toss in kids, court or medical issues and you're effectively fucked unless you have a decent income.

I owe a total of around $2000, didnt finish college, could make an easy $25hr if I wanted to go down another career path, or certify myself for a few hundred to make around $20hr w benefits. Thats as much as I need considering my frugal lifestyle, last thing I need is tens of thousands in arbitrary debt which would be a very serious setback


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24063952 - 02/03/17 10:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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College is for those whom have a clear-cut idea of what profession they want to pertain to.




About 1/3 of college grads have a job related to their major.



related to dick-fuck-all like they envision.

current school curriculum & and pedagogical instituion's = shoddy, at best -- save the remarkable few, alot of which are expensive as hell-fuck.


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    #24063974 - 02/03/17 11:12 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I cant say much about most industries, but as a musician Ive seen people come out of conservatories lacking very basic skills, the kind of skills you can well go without - but when you're spending $40000 in lessons, you should most definitely have these things drilled in.

Not a proponent of institutionalized learning, it may be necessary for doctors and engineers, but for the most part I view it as a circle jerk pyramid scheme.


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24063976 - 02/03/17 11:12 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

My wife and I both got jobs in our field, fresh out of college making a combined 90k a year. This was from a shoddy, open-enrollment university


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #24063981 - 02/03/17 11:16 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

normalcy bias.




(lol, sorry, hahaha, some people get unlucky...alot do, that's all i'm saying.)


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #24063988 - 02/03/17 11:22 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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My wife and I both got jobs in our field, fresh out of college making a combined 90k a year. This was from a shoddy, open-enrollment university




What field(s)?


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24063997 - 02/03/17 11:28 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Chemistry and quantitative economics. I think its a laziness issue. I was the only person in my university to graduate with my degree when I walked. Same with my wife. Meanwhile theres like a 2 year waiting list for the nursing program. C'mon


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #24064006 - 02/03/17 11:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

That makes sense


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #24064011 - 02/03/17 11:39 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

it's also a monetary and circumstances issue.

also a that shit takes way too long and is too expensive issue, and it's drag, and being young in a drag is a shitty way to live. stress, sleep depraved gamuts of redundant crap, kinda thing.

plus, you don't know if they're all lazy, walrus, but more than that, it's kinda crude to expect that everyone should get their diploma...well, that'd just make the job market tighter, wouldn't it?


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24064031 - 02/04/17 12:02 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Well Ive pursued my studies diligently for the past 10 years (my 20s and late teens), I would do it again, your profession is half your life.

While I think the educational institution isnt what it should be, I blame the students as much as the administrators, people going in not knowing what they're doing or why, pursuing useless degrees or dropping out from worthwhile programs and creating more demand... I basically did both 10 years ago

There seems to be a few big problems society should be working on sorting out, but its the individuals responsibility to make what they will of it


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24064033 - 02/04/17 12:06 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

it's a free country; the expectations of high-demand jobs are not my priority, i know that for a fact. :cookiemonster:


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    #24064047 - 02/04/17 12:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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plus, you don't know if they're all lazy, walrus, but more than that, it's kinda crude to expect that everyone should get their diploma...well, that'd just make the job market tighter, wouldn't it?




Absolutely. I'll be the first to admit that Im a jaded asshole, but I have years of experience struggling to get by in school while watching people drop off one by one.

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also a that shit takes way too long and is too expensive issue, and it's drag, and being young in a drag is a shitty way to live. stress, sleep depraved gamuts of redundant crap, kinda thing.





Which leads me to the main point - people who do stick it out tend to make more money. People are generally lazy. How can I do the least amount of work, be an average student, and make the most amount of money? AKA how can I waste thousands of dollars on a useless degree


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #24064097 - 02/04/17 12:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Which leads me to the main point - people who do stick it out tend to make more money. People are generally lazy.




Also, college grads often have many more job options.    People are often lazy.

A degree helps employers try to find people who have some perseverance.

My buddy didn't go to college and makes 100K, but that's the exception, not the rule.


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24064102 - 02/04/17 12:41 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

My sister's are over $100k in debt from college and don't even get paid enough in their field to pay off their debts.

They are both teachers.


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24064108 - 02/04/17 12:45 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Except with a house, you get equity, and when you're done, you get title.

With college, you get a piece of paper that is most likely worthless.




How many college grads do you know who say their degree is worthless?

I work in research and every professional in my field has a degree.

How many doctors do you know who did not go to med school?

I learned a lot in college. Some people would rather not learn.


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    #24064129 - 02/04/17 12:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Which leads me to the main point - people who do stick it out tend to make more money. People are generally lazy.



    People are often lazy.




laziness is fine, if it doesn't lead to mistakes.
not everyone has to be expected to "stick out" anything, if they think it's a waste of time.

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Except with a house, you get equity, and when you're done, you get title.

With college, you get a piece of paper that is most likely worthless.




How many college grads do you know who say their degree is worthless?

I work in research and every professional in my field has a degree.

How many doctors do you know who did not go to med school?

I learned a lot in college. Some people would rather not learn.




ok. what the fuck is your point? what are you advocating for, exactly? or is this diatribe a seminar on your personal philosophy?


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24064142 - 02/04/17 01:12 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I know quite a few people who don't even want to work in the field they graduated in after they went to school for it for so long lol.


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Re: WHAT IS COLLEGE GOOD FOR? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24064145 - 02/04/17 01:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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not everyone has to be expected to "stick out" anything, if they think it's a waste of time.






Of course youre not obligated to stick it out. Everybody has a personal journey blah blah, but if Im investing millions in research and development for a certain project and you dont pull your weight because you just dont "feel" it...Im firing you.


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