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    #24022643 - 01/19/17 10:57 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Hello everyone,

Trying my first time grow of p. cyan after my first successful p. cubensis grow, so I thought I would run my tek by some more experienced mycologists. I am planning to go from spores to agar to rye to bulk substrate. Rye will be soaked in spent(?) coffee [side question: what is the benefit of using spent coffee grounds as opposed to fresh coffee?] and gypsum and then lightly cooked. After cooking and PC sterilization for 30 minutes rye is inoculated with agar culture. Although I've read that p. cyan can be fruited directly on rye, I'm going to go for gold and use dehydrated manure, [https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/036865/036865124117.jpg] gypsum, coarse verm and coffee as a bulk substrate. As for a casing layer I'm not too sure but I've read that perlite and peat works well. I may just go without a casing layer.

Any tips or suggestions on this tek would be much appreciated


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: South_Paw]
    #24022749 - 01/19/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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I am planning to go from spores to agar to rye to bulk substrate.




That's a good idea. :thumbup:

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Rye will be soaked in spent(?) coffee [side question: what is the benefit of using spent coffee grounds as opposed to fresh coffee?] and gypsum and then lightly cooked.




Don't use coffee, it's a massive contamination vector. Also read up on how to prepare rye berries. Check my sig, second link.

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lthough I've read that p. cyan can be fruited directly on rye, I'm going to go for gold and use dehydrated manure, [*snip*] gypsum, coarse verm and coffee as a bulk substrate.




No. It can not be fruited from rye. And your substrate choice sucks. Proper pasteurisation is difficult. It's hard for a noob to pasteurise manure and coffee. And even if you do choose manure, choose fresh stuff, it's miles better and cheaper. That being said, Ps. cyanescens is a woodlover species and thus requires wood in its substrate. You can think about preferably wood chips (beech), saw dust or straw. Furthermore, this species is just about impossible to grow indoors. It's a prolific outdoors fruiter. You can start a woodchip bed in March and have fruits in November. You would preferably inoculate your bed with grain spawn to provide bulk nutrition.

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As for a casing layer I'm not too sure but I've read that perlite and peat works well. I may just go without a casing layer.




Perlite is not a casing layer. A casing layer is a non nutritious layer above the substrate to provide good water retention. Ps. cyanescens does not require a casing layer, but if you do keep it very thin. Peat is good stuff but be sure to pH neutralise it and check with pH paper or reagent.

Some final words: Ps. cyanescens is a hard species to grow for a beginner, you might want to start by doing a PF tek, or at least growing some kind of Ps. cubensis.


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: Tiamo]
    #24022771 - 01/19/17 12:02 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

he's talking about pan cyans
coffee is fine to use in the spawn hydration step since it will be sterilized. coffee is a big contamination magnet used in substrates


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24022775 - 01/19/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

God damnit. :facepalm:


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: Tiamo]
    #24022789 - 01/19/17 12:09 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

I've grown p. cubensis already with honey LC, BRF cakes and coir monotub (w/ coffee) with no contamination problems so far. I think I have my pasteurization process covered fairly well. As I havent done a bulk grow without coffee yet, its hard to say if it actually increased yield like many say it does.

Just to be clear, I'm talking panaeolus cyanecens, not psilocybe. If Im correct, psilocybe cyanescens is the wood lover as many of the teks call for hardwoods saw dust or chips.

As for the casing, is it still not required for panaeolus?

EDIT: i dont add coffee to bulk sub. only to my grain spawn or cakes. Can a BRF type tek be used as spawn for bulk?


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: South_Paw]
    #24022794 - 01/19/17 12:11 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Yes, all my advice goes for Ps. cyanescens. The species are often confused on these forums because people abbreviate with the p. I'm not sure about casing Pan. cyanescens.


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: Tiamo]
    #24022803 - 01/19/17 12:16 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Still appreciated nonetheless as I have psilocybe cyanescens & azurescens spores on the way


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: South_Paw]
    #24024201 - 01/19/17 09:06 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

pan cyans don't fruit so well without a casing layer. most people use a 50/50 mix of peat/verm but there is a packaged potting soil called jiffy seed starter mix that will work just as well.


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: Panarchist]
    #24024295 - 01/19/17 09:32 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

can also use miracle grow moisture control, MGMC, as a casing layer.

also, doesn't 30 minutes to sterilize rye seem on the low side?


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: axis_tech]
    #24024847 - 01/20/17 07:16 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

90-120m minimum at 15psi


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24024973 - 01/20/17 08:26 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Do BRF but instead of vermiculite substitute with paper pellets. You can case in more paper pellets.
Colonize at 22-24°C, then you need the required temperature and conditions to fruit.

You can even do 50/50 paper-wood pellets, then enrich the materials.


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: Ferather]
    #24024988 - 01/20/17 08:29 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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Ferather said:
Do BRF but instead of vermiculite substitute with paper pellets. You can case in more paper pellets.
Colonize at 22-24°C, then you need the required temperature and conditions to fruit.

You can even do 50/50 paper-wood pellets, then enrich the materials.




just curious, why use paper/wood for a subtropical dung lover:confused:


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: mushboy]
    #24025010 - 01/20/17 08:34 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

I don't think he read it was pan not ps.


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Re: p. cyan first time grower [Re: axis_tech]
    #24025051 - 01/20/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

My bad ^^


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