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CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities
    #24021134 - 01/18/17 07:32 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/18/uri-geller-convinced-cia-psychic-warrior/

It deserves a post in PS&P as a conversation diving into metaphysics and what the materialistic scientific "status quo" is lacking in their often one sided POV's lol.

It will do in here for now....

For decades Uri Geller, the man famous for allegedly bending cutlery with his mind on UK television, was mocked over his claims to have paranormal powers.

But while the British public were always skeptical it has transpired that none other than the CIA believed the "spoon-bender" was psychic all along.

In an extraordinary series of declassified documents the agency revealed the results of a week of experiments it conducted on Geller over eight days in 1973, during which he was tested for "clairvoyant" or "telepathic" abilities.

It was part of the "Stargate" program which was aimed at weaponizing what the CIA called "remote viewing," and trying to recruit "psychic warriors".

Elements of the bizarre secret research featured in The Men Who Stare at Goats, a 2009 Hollywood film starring George Clooney, which took its name from attempts by Stargate operatives to kill goats simply by looking at them.

In the newly released documents there was no mention of Geller being asked to stare down goats. But his handlers concluded: "As a result of Geller's success in this experimental period, we consider that he has demonstrated his paranormal perceptual ability in a convincing and unambiguous manner."

Stargate was terminated in 1998 amid distrust over its results and a conclusion that it has "never provided an adequate basis for actionable intelligence operations".

But, speaking to The Daily Telegraph from Israel where he now lives, Geller claimed the revelations represented the "tip of the iceberg" of what he had been asked to do by the CIA, Mossad and other intelligence agencies.

That included later being tested at a US radiation lab during the Cold War to see if he could trigger a nuclear bomb.

Geller said: "I'm mind-blown they've released this because there are still remote viewing programmes active, many intelligence agencies use them."

The details of his tests were contained in 13 million pages of declassified documents released by the CIA this week.

Geller was taken to Stanford Research Institute in California between Aug 4 and Aug 11, 1973, and placed in an "opaque, acoustically and electrically shielded room" with two locked doors.

In the first experiment agents and scientists opened a dictionary and picked a word at random. The word was "fuse" and a scientist drew a firecracker.

"Geller was notified via intercom when the target picture was drawn and taped on the wall outside his enclosure," the declassified documents stated.

"His almost immediate response was that he saw a 'cylinder with noise coming out of it'." He then drew an image that looked similar to the firecracker.

A second word was picked, which was "bunch" and a scientist drew a bunch of grapes.

Geller told them he saw "purple circles" and promptly drew a bunch of grapes.

"Both the target picture and Geller's rendition had 24 grapes in the bunch," according to the documents.

The following day Geller was locked in his room and a drawing was made in an office half a mile away. It was the devil in the form of a man with a trident.

Asked to guess what it was, Geller drew images including a trident, the Ten Commandments, an apple with a worm in it, and snake.

The CIA concluded: "The inability on Geller's part to draw the devil may be culturally induced. Geller did draw the trident from the target picture but he did not draw the man holding it.

"From this it seems clear that Geller does not just copy lines from the target picture, but does perform some mental processing on them before drawing them himself."

Other experiments deemed successful included the scientists drawing a flying seagull, to which Geller said he saw a "flying swan on a hill".

"He drew several birds and said he felt sure his drawing was correct, which it was," his handlers wrote.

They then recruited a scientist on the US east coast to make a drawing. He drew two mountains with a sun in the upper right. Geller, in his isolated room on the west coast, drew two arches with a circle in the upper right.

On another occasion they had a computer make a random image. It was a kite. Geller, who was 150ft away, around a corner in a shielded room, also drew a kite.

Geller did fail various tests when he said he could not get a "clear impression". The documents concluded that he did better when there were no "skeptical observers" present.

In 2013 a BBC documentary suggested Geller had long been a secret agent using his mental powers for the CIA and Mossad. At the time he said the claims were "absolutely true".

Following the release of the CIA documents he told The Daily Telegraph his spoon bending antics and role as a television entertainer had been a "good cover" for his espionage work.

"Vindicated? I don't care about the skeptics," he said. "I did many things for the CIA. They wanted me to stand outside the Russian Embassy in Mexico, and erase floppy discs being flown out by Russian agents.

"I had to get near someone signing a nuclear deal and bombard him with 'sign, sign, sign".

He said one international agency, which he wouldn't name, asked him to kill a pig with his mind.

"I was asked to stop the heart of a pig. It was probably so they could stop the heart of Andropov who was head of the KGB.

"George Clooney basically played me in that film (The Men Who Stare at Goats). It wasn't  goat, it was really a pig."

Asked if he had ever been tested by MI6, Geller replied: "No comment'.

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As damning as this information may be to the scientific consortium in our era, people are gonna have to come face to face with the reality that everything you know, or think you know, about psychic ability/phenomena, how to test for it, and measure the results, is outside of your materialistic scientific methods using limited tools of measurement to determine the inaccuracy of your perceived results.

Looking at Diploid and Orgone Conclusion (if they are still alive, sorry this is my first post in a while hahaha)


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24021187 - 01/18/17 07:50 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Well.

That's pretty interesting.

The Daily Telegraph has one of the best reputations in the world of journalism.

So it's not bogus.


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24021193 - 01/18/17 07:52 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)



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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24021196 - 01/18/17 07:53 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Stanford Research Institute^^^


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24021208 - 01/18/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Yeah I've heard of the guy, and honestly I did not dismiss him outright, but I never knew whether there was any real legitimacy to his ESP. Now I have to wonder if there's more there. There is really no way to explain this away, as far as I can tell...


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24021216 - 01/18/17 07:58 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Its ok, all the key researches and scientists involved are all probably bogus and its all fake, including the 13 million de-classified documents on its website.... all bogus :rolleyes:


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24021226 - 01/18/17 08:02 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Well I don't think we have to be out and out credulous, but yes, as I said, I don't see a way for skeptics to explain this away. I mean, what would they say in the face of all this data?


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24021272 - 01/18/17 08:15 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Whats most fascinating to me is that it was noted during the tests: Geller did fail various tests when he said he could not get a "clear impression". The documents concluded that he did better when there were no "skeptical observers" present.


I had tried to make a point of this, based on my own experiences/observations, in a previous conversation regarding inaccurate ways in which these phenomena are observed/measured within the scientific community and i had a trove of PS&P trolls like diploid, orgone conclusion, icelander, among others, insisting that "skeptical observation" should not matter, and that if you can do something "psychic", then it must be done following x,y,z steps to determine accurately what is or isn't occurring within said experiment.

This is a clear cut case of observer bias directly affecting a result....

There are quantum variables, based on individual observers, which directly/indirectly (misnomer) manipulate/augment the results.

(similar but not entirely akin to the double slit experiment and observation)

The power of doubt if you will.

Doubt is strong in shroomery.

To the point of many chastising its members, banning people from forums, and outright shitting on the reality of things in their doubting process.

Its a slippery slope going into the land of thought and the forces within/out (misnomer), but that doesn't make it impossible to grok.

I appreciate articles like this, and information that reveals such potential within a hardened off materialistic world.

Its like a breath of fresh air as opposed to when we are limited to discussing what people say is or isn't possible, otherwise choking the life and joy out of conversations that could be, and ideas that could grow to reveal inner workings of our reality, a journey that we have yet to embark upon as a whole.


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24021295 - 01/18/17 08:21 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Yeah, I noticed that too. And it makes some sense. You make some good points.


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24021331 - 01/18/17 08:32 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Feel free to share it in PS&P.

I got banned there for sharing articles just like this and questioning the materialistic status quo of the moderators there.

Now there is physical scientific proof, with human recorded trials, and evidence of a realm of psychology needing to be salvaged from their depths of doubt.

What would skeptics say in the face of this new information?

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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24021356 - 01/18/17 08:40 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Was a good read! Nothing to be too concerned about though, this type of "phenomena" will become more and more apparent as consciousness develops.

Bending spoons and psychic teleportation powers etc are all common in many cultures, and is just the beginning of what you can do with your mind, but in western culture it's definitely a shock!


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24021360 - 01/18/17 08:43 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Something else that caught my eye was Uri's religious view points affecting the quality of one of the answers:

The following day Geller was locked in his room and a drawing was made in an office half a mile away. It was the devil in the form of a man with a trident.

Asked to guess what it was, Geller drew images including a trident, the Ten Commandments, an apple with a worm in it, and snake.

The CIA concluded: "The inability on Geller's part to draw the devil may be culturally induced. Geller did draw the trident from the target picture but he did not draw the man holding it.

"From this it seems clear that Geller does not just copy lines from the target picture, but does perform some mental processing on them before drawing them himself."

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So we see here in this statement that his personal beliefs/thoughts/observations (preconceived notions) affected the quality/accuracy of his own drawing, based potentially on his internalization of thought, as it comes and goes, and how he integrates his own ideas/doubts/thoughts/notions into the accuracy of this particular question, regardless of the fact that he had not known what the picture actually was in the other room.

The rabbit hole goes deeper....


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24022523 - 01/19/17 10:04 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)



Uri was accurate in tests up to 1 and a billionth in accuracy.

He can dowse objects and remote view and did so repeatedly and accurately.

These experiments and CIA declassified documents are quantifiable proof, with reproducible results, gaining in accuracy throughout the duration of the total testing.


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24024979 - 01/20/17 08:28 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Its false.  Yes they have documents.  But they were tricked too, or in on it...either way - he just was a very clever man - nothing more to his tricks than that of an illusionists.  The conditions they tested him under were not subject to true scientific principles - they laxed on him because they were spellbound by the notion that someone just might have such powers - since at the time they were hoping to find just that.  Sometimes even Researchers or assistants were in on it with Geller, Geller used tricks, He knew things before hand because he set things up to be that way or was informed by an assistant, etc etc. 

Ahh yes, a trick to fool the babes. CIA, lmao.  Just a group of men, as easily duped as any other. 

Dont be so beguiled just because something from decades ago came out under the header of the CIA.

its been objectively debunked.  Not that I am saying anomalies dont happen within the human condition or that we dont innatly have some sort of prescience or gifts that from time to time occur and have use, but they are very rare and- but Uri Geller was a trickster, not some Siddhi Master! that is all...I at least appreciate the good show he put on for people - magic show that is.

This thread belongs in the conspiracy section by the way...

You fools dont know the tricks of the trade.  Of course the documents will reflect that it was all "real and true" - even if it was a billion documents we know that Geller faked it all - stats and data were not adjusted after finding this out and so we have a misrepresentation of what really occured because facts and data and stats dont take tricks into account that skew results. 


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    #24025145 - 01/20/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

I believe it was akin to the Edgar Casey phenomena where the information is gathered and disseminated by discarnate entities.


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    #24026198 - 01/20/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Its false.  Yes they have documents.  But they were tricked too, or in on it...either way - he just was a very clever man - nothing more to his tricks than that of an illusionists.  The conditions they tested him under were not subject to true scientific principles - they laxed on him because they were spellbound by the notion that someone just might have such powers - since at the time they were hoping to find just that.  Sometimes even Researchers or assistants were in on it with Geller, Geller used tricks, He knew things before hand because he set things up to be that way or was informed by an assistant, etc etc. 

Ahh yes, a trick to fool the babes. CIA, lmao.  Just a group of men, as easily duped as any other. 

Dont be so beguiled just because something from decades ago came out under the header of the CIA.

its been objectively debunked.  Not that I am saying anomalies dont happen within the human condition or that we dont innatly have some sort of prescience or gifts that from time to time occur and have use, but they are very rare and- but Uri Geller was a trickster, not some Siddhi Master! that is all...I at least appreciate the good show he put on for people - magic show that is.

This thread belongs in the conspiracy section by the way...

You fools dont know the tricks of the trade.  Of course the documents will reflect that it was all "real and true" - even if it was a billion documents we know that Geller faked it all - stats and data were not adjusted after finding this out and so we have a misrepresentation of what really occured because facts and data and stats dont take tricks into account that skew results. 




Ok, tell me how exactly it has been debunked Mr.know it all, provide documented evidence to the contrary, and prove to me how someone can know an image that is being picked, drawn, at random, from coast to coast, with no cellphone technology (this is the 70's and 80s) or any immediate way to transfer information over these distances, within these secure controlled settings.

You may be able to throw the word "debunked" around, and claim that he was so clever that, regardless of this documented information, and the variance of tests provided, he still cheated everyone of them and prevailed.... but without any documented proof on your part, we are left to take you at your word!!! (your anecdotal evidence is showing :rolleyes:)

In the mean time we have factual documents, quantifiable evidence, indicating remote viewing/psychic abilities in an accurate an unambiguous manner, by scientists at the Stanford research institute, including people like Henry Kissinger (not just your CIA=Fools excuse). Your claims that all these scientists are easily fooled is egregious, based on the sheer number of tests (did he fool them all!!!) and precise accuracy within these tests showing chances/probability in error 1-1billionth.

The gullibility here is your own.

The documented cases and studies ruled out erroneous results or potential cheating (even if they had no evidence or proof)

Tricking yourself into "believing" things cant be done, collapsing virtual realities and potentials from ever occurring, based on your own knee-jerk confirmation bias and preconceived notions of doubt, that has cultivated over the many doubtful years in your life.

Congratulations...:cheers:

Without providing evidence to the contrary, all that you can do is promulgate "fake"/"debunked" rhetoric.
(a common theme now a day with yellow journalism/blogging)


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24026260 - 01/20/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

Jan 18th 2017 - twitter/facebook uri geller:

As you may have heard, the CIA today have released a huge quantity of previously secret files, including notes and files belonging to Dr Henry Kissinger, former US Secretary of State, and documents & memos about me!

The press have gone to town with this information, and the phone has hardly stopped ringing all day, but the truth is, what was released is purely the tip of the iceberg! There is little point in me even talking about some of the things which happened back then, as I don't think anyone would believe me!

Read the story, and please let me know what you think. If you have questions, feel free to ask - if I can answer I will.

Also if you're interested in this, you will love the BBC documentary by Oscar winning director Vikram Jayanti, “The Secret Life of Uri Geller” - which you can watch from my website.

The photo below is of me with Dr Henry Kissinger, along with high ranking CIA officials.


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Re: CIA releases documents showing Uri Geller has telekenetic and psychic abilities [Re: treesniper119]
    #24029847 - 01/22/17 08:20 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

this guy is like Goel Ratzon but he doing stuff for shows and stuff.
if any of you seeing alot 11;11 12;12 and etc on the clock.
u are awake.
those who dont. just drug philosophers... or what ever


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