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LogicaL Chaos
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Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation
#24020236 - 01/18/17 02:45 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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So, im writing this cause Ive seen multiple new growers reading old, outdated mush cultivation techniques and using them in 2017.
I believe we need more "outdated" banners on old threads. The "archive" is a good start, but i think we need more.
For example, maybe highlight all threads that are 5 years or older with a banner or highlight the post date itself.
Im guessing these new growers are using the search engine, finding super old cultivation threads and then posting and/or reading them, then using them for their grows.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 3
#24020640 - 01/18/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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That's definitely true. A common criticism of the Shroomery is that we don't properly indicate outdated or experimental techniques. I would ask that if you come across one of these threads, please hit the whistle icon and in the comments let us know it's outdated information so a mod can mark it as such.
If you're frequently coming across errors in the main site, please let me know and maybe we can make you a CMS editor so you can modify and remove outdated documents yourself.
Thanks for thinking about how we can improve the accuracy of the site!
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Ythan] 1
#24027396 - 01/21/17 05:35 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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I think cron and a couple other guys were working on that a while back LC... Maybe get with him if you wanna hop on board.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Ythan]
#24027713 - 01/21/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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So, I grow a lot of F+ and I have a hard time finding information about this mushroom using the search function. I also had a problem with my picture gallery of F+, but then I changed the name to F Plus and it worked. I'm guessing the + sign is probably some sort of coding problem thing that's over my head.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] 1
#24029225 - 01/21/17 09:45 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah I'll put some time in this week to clean it up
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: cronicr] 1
#24031372 - 01/22/17 06:06 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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I offered to do CMS a year ago and a few months ago. Inoc mentioned he would talk to someone, then got busy. I'd be more than happy to help.
Is it possible to make the archive forum and posts older than 10 years only available at 100 posts and 90 days? We still see people sticking straws into cakes, or using geolite and air bubblers in PMP's.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Ythan] 1
#24031652 - 01/22/17 07:33 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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Thanks Ythan.
Good advice.
Next time i see an old, outdated bumped thread, i will blow the whistle.
If i have some free time, i will dig thru old threads and look for old, outdated, experimental techniques that need attention.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24034349 - 01/23/17 07:40 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Guy just tried pftek with 15-20 year old knowledge. A modified PMP in 2017. We still get this a lot Ythan.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24034344
Edited by Adden (01/23/17 07:47 PM)
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Adden] 1
#24034443 - 01/23/17 08:17 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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I added you as an editor
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: cronicr]
#24035084 - 01/24/17 03:36 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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I just had an idea.
Treat this outdated cultivation info like u do dosage advice in ODD. Except dont delete the cultivation advice, just add the mod edit.
Example:
Mod/Trusted Cultivator Edit:
This thread contains outdated and/or experimental cultivation info about pumps also known as "PMP". Please read for reference only.
And then lock the thread with a similiar disclaimer. Having a warning on both ends is redundant but i believe is a good thing cause it gets the message across clearly that the info is no longer "ideal" info.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#24035208 - 01/24/17 06:01 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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That's a good idea, I was thinking something similar but we'd allow all members to flag any thread in the Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics forums as "inaccurate". Maybe only expose that option if they have a certain number of posts and they're not using a proxy or something, but try to offer it to all legitimate users. Then if a thread gets flagged enough times, we'd show a prominent warning that the information may be outdated. Any thoughts about this system?
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Ythan]
#24035330 - 01/24/17 07:48 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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A voting system. I like it.
Like the "+1" voting system for all posts, but a special new one for "inaccurate" info in mush cult. Pure genius. Im game.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24035603 - 01/24/17 10:03 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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I do see two potential problems with the voting system: editing and personal preference.
First, editing. Lets say some writes a post with outdated info, then someone votes it "inaccurate". The poster may want to edit their post to be "accurate", therefore making the vote invalid.
One way i see around that is locking the poster from using the editing feature on that post if at least one person votes "accurate" or "inaccurate". The other option is erasing all the "accurate"/"inaccurate" votes when the post is edited.
Then theres Personal Preference.
Right now in mush cult, there is this thing called #phasingoutthesgfc. Basically, some growers think the SGFC is outdated while others (like me) still think its revelant and up-to-date. This seems to be a personal preference issue, not a "this is a bad idea, dont do that" issue. Not sure how to solve this issue but will be thinking about it...
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Ythan] 1
#24035614 - 01/24/17 10:07 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
Ythan said: That's a good idea, I was thinking something similar but we'd allow all members to flag any thread in the Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics forums as "inaccurate". Maybe only expose that option if they have a certain number of posts and they're not using a proxy or something, but try to offer it to all legitimate users. Then if a thread gets flagged enough times, we'd show a prominent warning that the information may be outdated. Any thoughts about this system?
I just want to say that this would not work well in MH&I nor is it at all useful. Old threads often have valuable information still and correcting inaccurate information works out fine by simply responding with an explanation. Marking threads as inaccurate or outdated will just be annoying as mycological information is not static nor is it black and white, many people disagree over what mushrooms are what. I would assume a similar approach would work in the cultivation forum, but I don't go there so I won't comment beyond that.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Byrain]
#24037818 - 01/25/17 05:37 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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There's plenty of people without TC tags that could be of great benefit. Don't get me wrong, trusted cultivators are great and can run circles around me. I think by narrowing your search to just them (a bunch are mods and probably busy), you could reach out to groups of people who don't openly post in cult.
Start a new wiki. Like, a real one. Preferably mobile friendly (looking toward the future). Go from spore to bulk, release that, while TI's and mycologists do their scientistry stuff. Once you have the cube section done and done right, everything else can be worked on (microscopy, genome projects, identification, classification, other psilocybes, other psychoactives, etc).
There's so many facets to this hobby you gotta whittle it down to the core. We run cubes because they're easy and they are fast.
Once a spore to pftek and spore to bulk wiki are up, it'll free up the same 15 questions we have to answer day in and day out. Then we can add stuff like clones and isolates, why we use SAB's over glove boxes, why incubation is pointless unless you're shivering in a hoodie and jeans, etc.
Once you've "cut the head off the snake", then migration work of things Joust or Alan or Tmethyl put in can be moved to the wiki.
Spores to no-pour agar and a little work with an exacto knife and you can start stacking tubs as high as you like. It's literally never been easier.
Send 25 people to find 25 people, tags or no tags, work with that group (maybe ask AMU or MHI for help?) and start releasing it in packets.
Having a "toggle as outdated" that sends the message to the 50 recipients until someone fields it would be awesome. Hiding archive forum except to wiki editors would be fantastic.
But either way seriously it breaks my heart that I bring it up and literally a day later a guy has a bacterial cake in a PMP, after taking it out of his incubator. It takes time to explain things and then even more time to explain why they're wrong (and people hate being wrong), so things just go sideways from there.
This is at least the 8th or 9th time I've posted a response and changed it but there are people willing to do great things for this place. Some of them just don't like to be seen or acknowledged publicly and post near-exclusively in private areas of the site.
I think doing it to be a part of history would be rewarding in its own rite. Supporter accounts help too but offering 5 bucks isn't gonna make anyone jump off his or her seat.
Also you're gonna probably want a place that contributors can upload the images to, so say if Contributor10 deletes all their images, it'll still be on the wiki.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Adden] 1
#24037849 - 01/25/17 06:15 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Oh and speaking or the TC tag, and how general ratings don't matter in cultivation anymore, you might want to revisit this system. I don't think TI's should be changed at all.
But for cultivation, a tier system of "Novice Cultivator", "Amateur Cultivator", all the way up to veteran cultivator and trusted cultivator. Not only does it give recognition to people who do great things, it encourages people to continue to do great things and help others.
Since my extent of cube work is just cakes and cultures, someone might see that I'm Novice and if my answer doesn't sound quite right they wait for a Master Cultivator to chime in. It helps people know what quality the information might be, and if they should trust it or take it for what it's worth.
Edit- Also I don't like the fact that I've been here forever being a gauge of my work. I'm still wet behind the ears and make mistakes. I saw someone say "oh tens of thousands of posts you must know this through and through".. well, no, far from it.. and I don't think people should see reg date and post count as a litmus test of the quality of information.
Edited by Adden (01/25/17 06:20 AM)
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Adden] 1
#24037851 - 01/25/17 06:17 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Adden said: Start a new wiki.
That's not a bad idea. I feel like a proper wiki made from this site would change the game for a lot of people just getting into it all, and even for people looking to delve deeper.
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: PatrickKn]
#24037860 - 01/25/17 06:27 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Well and that's the bonus. If they don't ever want to care about horizontal gene transfer, they don't have to sift through stuff.. or things like a pellicle being an interwoven matrix of gelatinous hyphae.. like sure that stuff is cool to know but not necessary to grow mushrooms for you and your friends.
That's why I like the separation of the mycological part and the cubensis cultivation part.
There's stuff on the main page that I doubt most cultivators would give a shit about, but I do, and a lot of us do, just not everybody. You've gotta figure mycology is a multifaceted discipline. Will I ever go past cakes? Probably not but I'll sure as shit landscape outdoor beds and pick until my fingers fall off and drool over Joust's spore shots.
A new wiki, mobile friendly with contributors who care and are not just copy-editing old content, can be an amazing thing. We have microbiology and ecology and other sorts of scientists here. Wouldn't it be awesome to put on your resume or CV that you helped create a wiki on the biggest mushroom forum on the internet?
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: Adden]
#24037874 - 01/25/17 06:43 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Worrying about the old threads is alot bigger of an issue then cleaning up mush cult. I think we definitely need to start there and get that cleaned up first. Once new people know the good info from Mc they will be able to scrutinize old info more easily. As for old threads, I think if the thread is more than ~10 years old it should just make that fact clear for anyone who goes to read it.
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Edited by The Mycologist (01/25/17 06:45 AM)
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Re: Need more "outdated" warnings in Mushroom Cultivation [Re: The Mycologist]
#24037881 - 01/25/17 06:48 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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No kidding. On the first page of cakes in Archive, this guy sticks needles into his cakes to water them and uses sippy-straws to give them water.
This is the stuff people read when they search "dried out cake" or "watering cakes".
"I am about to birth a few cakes in the next day or so and I was trying to make a decision on how to hydrate my setup. I was entertaining the idea of sticking a straw in the middle of the cake like the resivoir tek(sp? sorry stoned) but instead of supplying the water every day with a syringe I was thinking of elevating the cake somehow and then sticking the straw up through the bottom rather than through the top. Then instead of supplying the water with the syringe supplying the water with a small tub or cup of water. My reasoning for this idea being that instead of having to add water everyday or a couple time a day the cake would take water as needed from the cup kinda like how a plant gets water through the ground with its roots."
So this is what people see and think this knowledge is worth it because it's archived.
Edit: And yes we still see people sticking needles in their cakes or using the "reservoir tek" with sippy straws.
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