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Eclipse3130
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Re: what do you make of this Hawking quote? [Re: Peyote Road]
#24022495 - 01/19/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Peyote Road said: According to his logic, if I see an entity, spirit or angel it means there really are entities, spirits and angels (something which is quite obvious to me, but perhaps not accepted by most scientists).
Well if you saw it how could it be fake seeing is believing!
Though you saw them through your mind and spirit, not actually physical they are still real in that sense. Ghosts definitely can manifest, I'm sure the distant dimensional entities and beings can to, but only for your particular vibration
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Re: what do you make of this Hawking quote? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24022541 - 01/19/17 10:08 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said:
Well if you saw it how could it be fake seeing is believing!
Are you serious? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. Do you realize how flawed and illusory our perceptions can be at times? We're only human. Talk about intellectual laziness.
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Re: what do you make of this Hawking quote? [Re: Peyote Road]
#24022664 - 01/19/17 11:07 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Peyote Road said: According to his logic, if I see an entity, spirit or angel it means there really are entities, spirits and angels (something which is quite obvious to me, but perhaps not accepted by most scientists).
Yes, this was what I took from it as well -- if you think you see a herd of zebras - there really is a herd of zebras.
Ah -- i found it, good. . . ( that is, i found what i was looking for ).. ( rather, i wasn't looking for anything too specifically, but was thinking about Buddhist philosophy -- of course it's incredibly diverse, and very vast..... But - specifically, one fairly common concept of Buddhist philosophy is that all is Mind, or all is One Mind, or various things along these lines -- A scholar or interested person could ( if they are good at finding good sources and info,) find many good writings about the various aspects of it.. so -- in glancing or looking, here is one I found.)
'One such school [Cittamatra] asserts that there is no external reality, not even external objects, and that the material world we perceive is in essence merely a projection of our minds. From many points of view, this conclusion is rather extreme. Philosophically, and for that matter conceptually, it seems more coherent to maintain a position that accepts the reality not only of the subjective world of the mind, but also of the external objects of the physical world.'
http://www.lamayeshe.com/article/what-mind
(and, --- yay --- it's by HH the Dalai Lama.)
let's get this back to the astrosphere. hehe. or.... as they say in Vegas, let's get this game out of the muck.
i love you all and i love this thread.
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Re: what do you make of this Hawking quote? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#24022681 - 01/19/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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DividedQuantum said:
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Eclipse3130 said:
Well if you saw it how could it be fake seeing is believing!
Are you serious? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. Do you realize how flawed and illusory our perceptions can be at times? We're only human. Talk about intellectual laziness.
lol i have the same thoughts there has to be a logical explanation behind phenomenas.
but what do we make of string theory? does that shit make sense? particles being bound together through space?
seems like pseudo science and the possibility to expand on that theory thru philosophy is definitely present imo, i like to think my soul mate is somewhere out there
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she/ he is.
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rofl rofl rofl ohh
did you just say space particles?
this is me lying on the floor laughing (well... somewhere sometime)
'coz i was just reading this article,
and when i signed out of shroomery and click'd the 'close' button,
saw this paragraph of the article still up
'In some Buddhist literature, we find that in terms of the origin of its continuum, the macroscopic world of our physical reality can be traced back finally to an original state in which all material particles are condensed into what are known as "space particles." If all the physical matter of our macroscopic universe can be traced to such an original state, the question then arises as to how these particles later interact with each other and evolve into a macroscopic world that can have direct bearing on sentient beings' inner experiences of pleasure and pain. To answer this, Buddhists turn to the doctrine of karma, the invisible workings of actions and their effects, which provides an explanation as to how these inanimate space particles evolve into various manifestations.'
"space particles" jumped out at me. 
so here i am. hehe. 
come join in the fun.... beforethedawn.
your expertise at shining light is required.
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Green7Alchemist said:
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DividedQuantum said:
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Eclipse3130 said:
Well if you saw it how could it be fake seeing is believing!
Are you serious? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. Do you realize how flawed and illusory our perceptions can be at times? We're only human. Talk about intellectual laziness.
lol i have the same thoughts there has to be a logical explanation behind phenomenas.
but what do we make of string theory? does that shit make sense? particles being bound together through space?
seems like pseudo science and the possibility to expand on that theory thru philosophy is definitely present imo, i like to think my soul mate is somewhere out there 
Yeah, string theory is a tough one to take very seriously because there's absolutely no way to test it. I like reading and thinking about it, but it's pretty lacking in legitimacy. I don't know about soul mates or twin flames, but maybe.
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whoa, that is definitly up my alley, ever since i read the "secret", which ok is not the most scientifically sound piece of literature, i've always wondered how can i create my own reality?
is all based on perspective, we know that atoms are the building blocks of our reality, but like these space particles and hawkings zebras seem to imply to me that we can some how manipulate these building block as some sort of nether-world mason or maybe that is what a free mason is.. morphing free space through symbology, geometric designs that vibrate a certain frequency which alter the perceived reality
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Re: what do you make of this Hawking quote? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#24023036 - 01/19/17 02:07 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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the atomic world is magic and it will never make sense because the magician will never reveal his secrets
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My girlfriend Kayley read that book and really got into it, she wanted me to read it as well and I never did. I have usually been pretty headstrong when it comes to literature, I almost always like to pick the books myself. Of course I am open to new things but I have a good ability to tell which is the most worthwhile. And, not snobbishness exactly, but when you're accustomed to the best - which isn't necessarily long or complex, just the most beautiful, profound, etc., then to read something less than... Well, there's no reason really not to limit oneself to the best .01% of literature, because that is still - very vast.
And I'm just kind of rambling, but I couldn't say there's nothing to that book - I really felt at the time, for the most part - it was just 'lesser' a bit... as in, there were higher magics, so to speak...
Although - it's very good, to think of her and the book again, it brings nice memories. And - now I wouldn't mind listening to it on audio or something, it'd be pretty nice. Like I said, nothing against it, and, it is good to have such things to enjoy, to fall back on, and so forth.
The Atomic world is quite mystical and magical. . . Again coming from the Buddhist sutras,
Aha; yes I found it. It took about a minute or two; a very long time. . .
From the Avatamsaka Sutra, one of my very favorite -- and considered to be the choicest pick of Buddhist sutras, or, the very best - of course, Diamond Sutra, Lotus Sutra, are also considered the best by some - and Vimalakirti Nirdesa Sutra is exceptional.
Ok, so Avatamsaka Sutra, the Great Flower Ornament Sutra - (down at the bottom are the first two tries I looked for... found it on the third; those two sites are really great sources for it, actually.) It also has a beautiful (and famous) description of Indra's Net.
I vow always to meet Buddha’s face-to-face And the hosts of disciples who gather around them; I will raise offerings, which are vast and great, Untiring to the end of future eons. I will hold high the subtly wondrous Dharma And illuminate all the practices of Bodhi; I will be ultimately pure in Samantabhadra’s way, Practicing until the end of time. Inexhaustible blessings and wisdom, I cultivate throughout all worlds; By concentration, wisdom, skillful means, and samádhis, I will gain an endless store of merits and virtues. In one mote of dust are lands as numerous as motes of dust; In each land are incalculable numbers of Buddha’s. In every place where Buddha’s dwell I see the host assembled Endlessly proclaiming all the practices of Bodhi. In ten directions everywhere, throughout the sea of lands, Every hair-tip encompasses oceans of past, present and future. So, too, there is a sea of Buddha’s, a sea of Buddha lands; Pervading them all I cultivate for seas of endless time. The speech of all Buddha’s is pure; Each word contains an ocean of sounds. According with what beings like to hear, The Buddha’s’ seas of eloquent flows forth…
http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/D%20-%20Chinese%20Mahayana%20Buddhism/Chinese%20Mahayana%20Buddhism/From%20the%20Avatamsaka%20Sutra/From%20Chapter%2040/Avatamsaka%20Sutra.htm
tries 1 and 2:
http://www.cttbusa.org/fas24/fas24.asp
http://www.cttbusa.org/avatamsaka/avatamsaka4.asp
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Green7Alchemist said: the atomic world is magic and it will never make sense because the magician will never reveal his secrets
It's simply changing the mental 'angle of perception'. Explanation: Brain creates a big part of our perception to fit our mental context.
and...Poof, magic happens.
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The observed has no objective existence.
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Re: what do you make of this Hawking quote? [Re: viktor]
#24027357 - 01/21/17 04:24 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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mind blown
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Re: what do you make of this Hawking quote? [Re: beforethedawn]
#24032777 - 01/23/17 09:13 AM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Hello, hello.  I thought you might like it.
Sutra:
These multitudes of Bodhisattvas had already accomplished measureless merit and virtue, which is to say, they could pervasively roam throughout all Buddhas’ countries without obstruction. They could see the pure Dharma body which was without reliance. By means of the wisdom body, they manifested measureless bodies.
They pervaded the ten directions to serve all Buddhas, and entered into all Buddhas’ measureless, boundless, inconceivable, Dharmas of self-mastery. They dwelt in measureless doors of All-Wisdom. With the bright light of wisdom they understood well all Dharmas. In the midst of all Dharmas they attained fearlessness, and accordingly proclaimed the Dharma with unending eloquence, to the exhaustion of the boundaries of the future. By means of great wisdom, they opened Dharani doors.
The last part I wanted to share that is related to the topic; from the same sutra is this - esp. the last sentence of para 1... Anyway 
Thanks and... Namo Loketesvara
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