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Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders * 1
    #24018774 - 01/17/17 11:16 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/obama-cuts-sentences-of-hundreds-of-drug-offenders/index.html

(CNN)President Barack Obama on Tuesday reduced or eliminated the sentences for hundreds more non-violent drug offenders.

The move brings Obama well beyond his most recent predecessors, who used their commutation powers more sparingly. He's now reduced sentences for 1,385 individuals, the vast majority of whom are serving time for crimes related to distribution or production of narcotics.

Many of those whose punishments he's reduced were incarcerated for crimes involving crack cocaine, which came with mandatory sentences that were longer than those for the powdered version of the drug. The discrepancy -- a facet of a decades-long war on drugs -- overwhelmingly affected African-Americans.

Obama had hoped for legislation to permanently end the disparities in sentencing laws. While an unlikely group of activists have pushed in Congress for a bill that would alter mandatory minimums and reform the prison system, a rancorous political climate during last year's presidential campaign prevented progress.

Instead, Obama encouraged Americans serving lengthy terms to apply for clemency, prompting a flood of applications to his Justice Department. A group of legal aid groups established the Clemency Project to help screen applicants and complete the required paperwork.

An onslaught of requests required Obama's aides to establish a process for vetting applications, which began backing up in the Pardon Attorney's office.
At the beginning of 2017, 13,568 petitions for clemency were still pending. The Obama administration has received more than 30,000 petitions over eight years.

The power to grant pardons and commutations is written into the US constitution as one of the president's clearest unilateral prerogatives. With large batches often coming in the final weeks of an administration, an act of clemency cannot be challenged in court or overturned by Congress.
President George W. Bush granted 189 pardons and 11 commutations, including reducing the prison term for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, convicted of perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators in the probe of the leak of the name of a CIA operative.

President Bill Clinton issued a flurry of pardons on his final day in office, including for financier Marc Rich and the president's half-brother Roger Clinton. In sum, Clinton ordered 396 pardons and 61 commutations.
No recent commander-in-chief, however, has used the powers as liberally as Obama to enact a criminal justice reform agenda.

Writing in the Harvard Law Review earlier this month, Obama said his push toward eliminating mandatory minimum sentences and offering clemency to non-violent drug offenders was informed by his own history.
"This is an effort that has touched me personally, and not just because I could have been caught up in the system myself had I not gotten some breaks as a kid," Obama wrote, recalling meetings at the White House with recipients of his clemency grants who had turned their life around.

"By shifting the narrative to the way clemency can be used to correct injustices in the system -- and reminding people of the value of second chances -- I worked to reinvigorate the clemency power and to set a precedent that will make it easier for future presidents, governors and other public officials to use it for good," Obama wrote.

While President-elect Donald Trump has yet to detail his planned use of clemency powers, there's little optimism about criminal justice reform advocates that he'll continue Obama's efforts.
Trump ran on a "law and order" platform, though rarely addressed issues of clemency or sentencing on the campaign trail.

"I'm looking at various predictors to try and decide where he might go. He wants to make America safe again. We know based on data that locking up low-level offenders won't make America safe," said Jessica Jackson Sloan, the national director and co-founder of #cut50, a group committed to reducing the US prison population by half.
"I'm hopeful that we'll be surprised," Sloan said.


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: tdubz]
    #24018791 - 01/17/17 11:24 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: tdubz]
    #24018793 - 01/17/17 11:24 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

pft F the crack dealers he shoulda saved pot molly acid shrooms dealers instead. whatevz tho, hopefully the crack dealers quit being assholes in jail or sumthin, doubt it tho.


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: Sheekle]
    #24018799 - 01/17/17 11:30 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Heard or saw some rumor that obama used to like to smoke crack. Regardless the cocaine and crack disparity when it comes to sentencing is ridiculous.


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: tdubz]
    #24019117 - 01/18/17 04:10 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

it was 130:1
now it's 16:1
still the same substance

I think tobbacco is just as dangerous as is alcohol they both degenerate your genes and cause bodily harm
actually the crack babies fair better in the long run


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: Konyap]
    #24019389 - 01/18/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Obama going out with a bang! He also pardoned Chelsea Manning who committed treason.. what a joke!


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #24019692 - 01/18/17 11:21 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
Obama going out with a bang! He also pardoned Chelsea Manning who committed treason.. what a joke!




Bradley* Manning, his real name before he was psychologically destroyed by the military and government. I've been for his release since day 1.

Not that I support drone master Obama, I just like that decision.


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: Ran-D]
    #24020216 - 01/18/17 02:39 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

You support treason? Interesting stance


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders *DELETED* [Re: tdubz]
    #24020388 - 01/18/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: EastBayRay]
    #24020651 - 01/18/17 04:52 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Obama has a terrible interview with inmates, first interview of its kind. he has these dumb ass talking points but then he's in the situation sitting across from 5 or so inmates confronted with his sick actions as a leader and he sort of squerms and makes no real good conversation basically waiting out the interview. Oh my god it's great I imagine he throws up right off camera. What a shithead while in his last 60 minutes interview talking up how he loves mlks head in his office like Obama wouldn't get a smack from him lmao........ Way to go, put a bandaid on the situation. Glad people are getting freed though. So little done, still.


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: EastBayRay]
    #24020679 - 01/18/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I'm not defending Obama, but the fact that the man speaking in that video is a Sinclair makes me not believe a damn word he says.


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: Ran-D]
    #24021248 - 01/18/17 08:08 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

"Yes; but only one of these two is about to die; the other
has many years to live."

"If the pardon is to come, there is no time to lose."

"And see, here it is," said the count. At the moment when
Peppino reached the foot of the mandaia, a priest arrived in
some haste, forced his way through the soldiers, and,
advancing to the chief of the brotherhood, gave him a folded
paper. The piercing eye of Peppino had noticed all. The
chief took the paper, unfolded it, and, raising his hand,
"Heaven be praised, and his holiness also," said he in a
loud voice; "here is a pardon for one of the prisoners!"

"A pardon!" cried the people with one voice -- "a pardon!"
At this cry Andrea raised his head. "Pardon for whom?" cried
he.

Peppino remained breathless. "A pardon for Peppino, called
Rocca Priori," said the principal friar. And he passed the
paper to the officer commanding the carbineers, who read and
returned it to him.

"For Peppino!" cried Andrea, who seemed roused from the
torpor in which he had been plunged. "Why for him and not
for me? We ought to die together. I was promised he should
die with me. You have no right to put me to death alone. I
will not die alone -- I will not!" And he broke from the
priests struggling and raving like a wild beast, and
striving desperately to break the cords that bound his
hands. The executioner made a sign, and his two assistants
leaped from the scaffold and seized him. "What is going on?"
asked Franz of the count; for, as all the talk was in the
Roman dialect, he had not perfectly understood it. "Do you
not see?" returned the count, "that this human creature who
is about to die is furious that his fellow-sufferer does not
perish with him? and, were he able, he would rather tear him
to pieces with his teeth and nails than let him enjoy the
life he himself is about to be deprived of. Oh, man, man --
race of crocodiles," cried the count, extending his clinched
hands towards the crowd, "how well do I recognize you there,
and that at all times you are worthy of yourselves!"
Meanwhile Andrea and the two executioners were struggling on
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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: MagicMush123]
    #24022367 - 01/19/17 09:12 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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Obama going out with a bang! He also pardoned Chelsea Manning who committed treason.. what a joke!




You realize that Bradley/Chelsea Manning was never convicted of treason, right?

Violating the Espionage Act and committing treason are two very different things.

I am pretty ambivalent about what happens to Manning, but I just want to point that out.

People throw the word "treason" around way too much these days, and generally are not even aware of what it
actually means to commit treason in the U.S.

According to the Constitution-

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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to
their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony
of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work
Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.




This is a pretty narrow definition. Considering Manning never actively engaged in war against the U.S., it is
pretty easy to see why he was never convicted of treason.

Normally I would just let it go, but there have been way too many idiots crying treason recently. During the election
I heard people on both sides accusing the other candidate of treason. They accused Clinton of treason over Benghazi,
emails, etc., and accused Trump of treason over his call for Russia to "hack" the DNC or whatever. Obviously neither
of these things is even remotely close to actual treason. To say otherwise is simply incorrect.

Please don't throw that word around if you don't know what it means.


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #24022385 - 01/19/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

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You support treason? Interesting stance




You don't know what treason is, yet you make these accusations. Interesting stance

You can't just accuse people of treason because they did something you disagree with.

Treason has a very specific definition, and for good reason.

Doing something stupid that hurts our country and possibly helps our enemies != treason

Joining the enemy and waging war against the U.S. == treason


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: MagicMush123]
    #24022431 - 01/19/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
You support treason? Interesting stance




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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: MagicMush123]
    #24022475 - 01/19/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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You support treason? Interesting stance





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    #24023109 - 01/19/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
    #24023219 - 01/19/17 03:17 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Sorry for getting you so worked up. But leaking classified information about your country is betraying your country which is treason


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: MagicMush123]
    #24024701 - 01/20/17 03:37 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

no it's not it's 'whistle blowing' and it's protected by law under george bush sr's bill

I would hate to live in whatever shit you live were you have to keep your mouth closed all the time


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Re: Obama Cuts Sentences to Hundreds of Drug Offenders [Re: Konyap]
    #24024925 - 01/20/17 08:04 AM (7 years, 10 days ago)

That's awesome that "hopefully" small time offenders were let go.

What blows is that these people who were incarcarated were found guilty in front of a jury and sentenced for their crime. Then while the President is on his way out he completely undoes the "justice system" and released said offenders with little to zero explanation.

I'm all for NOT sending people to jail for possession charges but seriously man, everything has become so fluid in this country that you can't rely on any constants any more, wish I was a kid again..........


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