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WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE?
#24018673 - 01/17/17 10:21 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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I hate to bring up a common philosophical question HOWEVER I will do it anyway
If I gave you a drug that made you reallll happy, but functional, and is really addictive BUT i gave you a lifetime supply, enough to compensate for tolerance increases, would that be a happy life? Or is the happiness just "fake" Is natural happiness necessary if you get a rush every morning and every night? You get to hedonistically please your cravings for artificial bliss every time you want, but its never "real", and never "worked" for. Never for any reason aside from "lol im high af boi" Would that be a good life?
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Sancho will get out his funk eventually. If he survives.
BUT if he were to die tonight, will his life have been good? I mean, the dude has been higher than 99.999% of everyone who's ever lived ever. Probably experienced levels of euphoria that none of us can fathom. Is that considered the ultimate level of life experience? Or does it have to be real?
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To be honest I dont buy that "levels of euphoria" stuff. Theres a point of diminishing returns. Even with unlimited supply, your body would give out well before you could live a reasonable amount of time on insane doses of your DOC.
Not to mention that theres more to life than drug induced euphoria. There needs to be struggle or shit gets depressing quick.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
#24018702 - 01/17/17 10:37 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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No, I dont believe drugs alone could make a good life, anymore than I view samadhi as an end goal in life.
The goods are in the drama
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shit gets depressing with a struggle.
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#24018716 - 01/17/17 10:44 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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No things get difficult with a struggle, upsetting. Ive met a few spoiled kids who absolutely hated their life and their family, because they had no adversity and where miserably depressed.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
#24018722 - 01/17/17 10:49 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Idk op what do u think is a happy life?..
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: zZZz]
#24018749 - 01/17/17 11:04 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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i think that COULD be a happy life because drugs are not all of life, it depends on what the rest of your life is.
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Who knows
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I feel like happy and euphoria are similar yet happy has some strange ego attachment associated with innocence and youth.
Where euphoria is the grown up version when you should know when too much of a good thing will end up no longer being a equally good thing.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Asante] 2
#24018942 - 01/18/17 12:55 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Love and peace
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: Idk op what do u think is a happy life?..
a life where you were happy
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
#24018971 - 01/18/17 01:17 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Having a happy life is such an individualized experience that even you won't know how to live a happy life for yourself until you really get to know the real "you"
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Amanita86 said: A happy life is having a pair of perfectly shaped breasts to fill your hands with.
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We aren't supposed to be happy all the time. Negative experiences help us to grow and develop as individuals. We need to have really bad times to appreciate the good ones, otherwise we'd just be hollow 'happy' zombies. how mundane.
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I mean, it's still just a drug, not a magic happiness serum. If your dog dies while youre high youre still sad. If someone rear ends your car,youre still pissed. If someone kicks the shit out of you, it still hurts. If your ex fucks a better dude than you, you get jealous. Just a little easier to cope. Cuz youre high, and get to go home and get more high
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
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“For what prevents us from saying that the happy life is to have a mind that is free, lofty, fearless and steadfast - a mind that is placed beyond the reach of fear, beyond the reach of desire, that counts virtue the only good, baseness the only evil, and all else but a worthless mass of things, which come and go without increasing or diminishing the highest good, and neither subtract any part from the happy life nor add any part to it? A man thus grounded must, whether he wills or not, necessarily be attended by constant cheerfulness and a joy that is deep and issues from deep within, since he finds delight in his own resources, and desires no joys greater than his inner joys.” ― Seneca, The Stoic Philosophy of Seneca: Essays and Letters
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Deathby69]
#24019583 - 01/18/17 10:27 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Deathby69 said: “For what prevents us from saying that the happy life is to have a mind that is free, lofty, fearless and steadfast - a mind that is placed beyond the reach of fear, beyond the reach of desire, that counts virtue the only good, baseness the only evil, and all else but a worthless mass of things, which come and go without increasing or diminishing the highest good, and neither subtract any part from the happy life nor add any part to it? A man thus grounded must, whether he wills or not, necessarily be attended by constant cheerfulness and a joy that is deep and issues from deep within, since he finds delight in his own resources, and desires no joys greater than his inner joys.” ― Seneca, The Stoic Philosophy of Seneca: Essays and Letters
"For what prevents us from saying" the nature of reality, the mentality described above is an artificial one, the kind of fundamentalist viewpoing I expect from the ranks of repressed religious people, fanatics and the emotionally bankrupt.
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Sounds like you are well down the path of a happy life, friend!
Ideals exist for a reason. Not to be obsessively adhered to but as ideals. You know, something to strive for. Or, lean into as the case may be.
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A happy life to me is:
- Regular sex - Not worrying about prices when doing groceries - Have a passionate hooby - Chase a dream - Have a solid foundation - Own assets that will bring profits - Be on good terms with family - Do the work you love - Have friends if you're into that shit.
I would be happy.
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#24019939 - 01/18/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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A happy life to me is one that is a loooooong term mild high. Like hiking outdoors on a nice day, or your first kiss. Some instances are short lived while others are longer lasting.
Its more of a gradual, long burning thing a 5 hour euphoria bliss session.
With humans, we are easily bored so mixing it up helps us stay happy.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: oontribe]
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: SARAtonin]
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Deathby69]
#24020320 - 01/18/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Deathby69 said: Sounds like you are well down the path of a happy life, friend!
Ideals exist for a reason. Not to be obsessively adhered to but as ideals. You know, something to strive for. Or, lean into as the case may be. 
Yeah I agree, glad you didnt take my contention the wrong way
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happiness for me = a fulfilling job, a dog and cat, a loyal wife who exercises daily, a house with a big private backyard, access to weed and shrooms
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rogue_pixie said: We aren't supposed to be happy all the time. Negative experiences help us to grow and develop as individuals. We need to have really bad times to appreciate the good ones, otherwise we'd just be hollow 'happy' zombies. how mundane.
This is true.
Suffering lives very near the heart of our consciousness. Suffering is unavoidable.
We are but limited beings cast upon the tide of infinite chaos.
Happiness is temporary. Suffering will last until we are all dead.
Happiness can alleviate suffering but not completely. We are always susceptible to heart-wrenching pain, and it will come to all of us if it hasn't yet.
The goal is to build a foundation within yourself and without that can withstand it. And to do that, you need really strong materials.
This is probably why organized religions are so appealing. Because they provide that. Or propose to anyway. Funerals are always the domain of the holy.
Anyway, the materials are inside us. But we must discover them. Love is the key. And love and family and culture are rooted in good cenent..
Just remember, compassion, especially piteous compassion, is a fucking rat on the back of those held back, unless they are truly incapable. And even then, I imagine it is bothersome. Probably moreso.
It only serves to undermine their own agency. And that can be equated to robbery of the sacred.
Agency, like love, must be realized by each individual if he / they are to attain peace and harmony with every dimension of life.
Those dimensions being social, cultural, and procreational.
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I'm not sure about what exactly would mean a happy life, but I know when I have my best days they consist of simple things that keep me smiling
What comes to mind is to speak with my mother and father on the phone, to enjoy time spent with my fiancee, and the last three and half months its been to hold my daughter in my arms as she giggles and smiles herself to sleep
If I can combine those things on any day, THATS what a happy day in my life is
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: stzacrack]
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How much of a place does hedonism hold in true happiness? Is a certain degree of selfishness required to be satisfied?
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
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The life of a free range dog with open land and a loving human family is probably one of the happiest lives I can imagine. People are suceptibe to extended saddness for petty reasons, but most happy dogs can get pissed on and kicked out of the way with a shoe and it'll still be the happiest thing alive
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Near Dylan said: How much of a place does hedonism hold in true happiness? Is a certain degree of selfishness required to be satisfied?
Hedonism is empty. There is no value there.
Selfishness will not lead to satisfaction of any real value.
Sacrifice is required.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
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A happy life is exceptional brain health, nothing more.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: rudebuoy]
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rudebuoy said: happiness for me = a fulfilling job, a dog and cat, a loyal wife who exercises daily, a house with a big private backyard, access to weed and shrooms
The American Dream. Salute!
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thanks for the salute brother. . of course life is suffering but with those things, you should be happy at least 65% of the time, unless you have a chemical imbalance.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: rudebuoy]
#24023431 - 01/19/17 04:42 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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I get unbalanced on chemicals at times.
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Lol robot
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a happy life is nonexistent.
happiness =/= a happy life.
life sucks ass. the only good thing about it is abandoning it for truth.
therefore, truth = ne plus ultra of life.
living life requires you to A: be unhappy, and B: lie to yourself and to those around you about how willing you are to suffer in order to pertain to moments in happiness, when the truth is self-evident.
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You only think woefully because your enemies roam free in good health, laughing down their snouts
Tell me life is bad when you trod over their shattered dreams and bloody corpses
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that wouldn't be a happy life. that'd just be life.
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So you dont believe its positive to live a (net) happy life? I believe I have, and god ive been miserable as all hell before. Still I think with all said its been happy.
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Contentment in what you have chosen. Surrounded by love. Having opportunity for growth every now and then. Annnnnnnnnnd having spare time to do things you get joy from.
Maybe??? That's just part of my answer bc I think I can think up more... when I am more awake.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: pachoo]
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pachoo said: Contentment in what you have chosen. Surrounded by love. Having opportunity for growth every now and then. Annnnnnnnnnd having spare time to do things you get joy from.
I think you're fucking spot on pachoo.
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I think a good balance of doing what you love (hobbies&interests) as well as working(sometimes its hard but work isnt supposed to be happy play time -direct quote from my grandpa lol) and giving back to those less fortunate/teaching the next generation are all parts of a truly happy life.
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akira_akuma said: a happy life is nonexistent.
happiness =/= a happy life.
life sucks ass. the only good thing about it is abandoning it for truth.
therefore, truth = ne plus ultra of life.
living life requires you to A: be unhappy, and B: lie to yourself and to those around you about how willing you are to suffer in order to pertain to moments in happiness, when the truth is self-evident.
you sound like me when i was 13 and going through an emo phase
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you sound like you didn't really put any thought in that reply. try doing that next time. like, try addressing the words that are in my post and commenting on those words...instead of just shitting out a retort that can easily be shot down.
and commencing: you're sort of unable to prove me wrong, aren't you?
well, next time, just try...you know, try try try again, as the saying goes.
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I am happy with or without drugs...drugs are a cherry on top.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: oontribe]
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yes! An accoutre ma if you will.
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akira_akuma said: you sound like you didn't really put any thought in that reply. try doing that next time. like, try addressing the words that are in my post and commenting on those words...instead of just shitting out a retort that can easily be shot down.
and commencing: you're sort of unable to prove me wrong, aren't you?
well, next time, just try...you know, try try try again, as the saying goes.
yeah, you with your flawless "life sucks ass and a happy life is impossible" logic
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sounds like someone is butthurt- and also unable to make a point.
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akira_akuma said: a happy life is nonexistent.
happiness =/= a happy life.
life sucks ass. the only good thing about it is abandoning it for truth.
therefore, truth = ne plus ultra of life.
living life requires you to A: be unhappy, and B: lie to yourself and to those around you about how willing you are to suffer in order to pertain to moments in happiness, when the truth is self-evident.
I wouldn't completely disagree, living life certainly requires you to be unhappy at times (but does not require you to be unhappy always). Living life does require you to lie about your mental state at times as well, lest you be thrown into a psych ward for being too blunt.
As the saying goes, "Don't pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to live a hard one".
There are many who think modern ways of thinking is at the root of our unhappiness though. I'd tend to agree.
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The “primary consciousness,” the basic mind which knows reality rather than ideas about it, does not know the future. It lives completely in the present, and perceives nothing more than what is at this moment. The ingenious brain, however, looks at that part of present experience called memory, and by studying it is able to make predictions. These predictions are, relatively, so accurate and reliable (e.g., “everyone will die”) that the future assumes a high degree of reality — so high that the present loses its value.
But the future is still not here, and cannot become a part of experienced reality until it is present. Since what we know of the future is made up of purely abstract and logical elements — inferences, guesses, deductions — it cannot be eaten, felt, smelled, seen, heard, or otherwise enjoyed. To pursue it is to pursue a constantly retreating phantom, and the faster you chase it, the faster it runs ahead. This is why all the affairs of civilization are rushed, why hardly anyone enjoys what he has, and is forever seeking more and more. Happiness, then, will consist, not of solid and substantial realities, but of such abstract and superficial things as promises, hopes, and assurances.
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I would agrue some hedonism/selfish indulging is involved in some way for happiness, but its non-substanible. Over time, u will burn yourself out by your selfish urges to chase happy. Chasing the Dragon.
I do believe u can make yourself happy by helping others, but on the flip side, u gotta take care of your own needs for happiness as well.
In short.....its complicated
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akira_akuma said: a happy life is nonexistent.
happiness =/= a happy life.
life sucks ass. the only good thing about it is abandoning it for truth.
therefore, truth = ne plus ultra of life.
living life requires you to A: be unhappy, and B: lie to yourself and to those around you about how willing you are to suffer in order to pertain to moments in happiness, when the truth is self-evident.
I wouldn't completely disagree, living life certainly requires you to be unhappy at times (but does not require you to be unhappy always). Living life does require you to lie about your mental state at times as well, lest you be thrown into a psych ward for being too blunt.
As the saying goes, "Don't pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to live a hard one".
There are many who think modern ways of thinking is at the root of our unhappiness though. I'd tend to agree.
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Alan Watts said: If to enjoy even an enjoyable present we must have the assurance of a happy future, we are “crying for the moon.” We have no such assurance. The best predictions are still matters of probability rather than certainty, and to the best of our knowledge every one of us is going to suffer and die. If, then, we cannot live happily without an assured future, we are certainly not adapted to living in a finite world where, despite the best plans, accidents will happen, and where death comes at the end.
The “primary consciousness,” the basic mind which knows reality rather than ideas about it, does not know the future. It lives completely in the present, and perceives nothing more than what is at this moment. The ingenious brain, however, looks at that part of present experience called memory, and by studying it is able to make predictions. These predictions are, relatively, so accurate and reliable (e.g., “everyone will die”) that the future assumes a high degree of reality — so high that the present loses its value.
But the future is still not here, and cannot become a part of experienced reality until it is present. Since what we know of the future is made up of purely abstract and logical elements — inferences, guesses, deductions — it cannot be eaten, felt, smelled, seen, heard, or otherwise enjoyed. To pursue it is to pursue a constantly retreating phantom, and the faster you chase it, the faster it runs ahead. This is why all the affairs of civilization are rushed, why hardly anyone enjoys what he has, and is forever seeking more and more. Happiness, then, will consist, not of solid and substantial realities, but of such abstract and superficial things as promises, hopes, and assurances.
This is why I don't rush around, I know what I have (mostly), and I'm not seeking more and more.
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A happy life is accepting that life is not always happy. Its a sense of being, not what material things you have in life.
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a wise man once said: "Desires achieved increase thirst like salt water"
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Once u get a taste of sucess, its quite addicting.
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it's not even the instance of success that one's head should be tight about, it's the instance that one is aware of what success is; not to put too fine a point about it...but what is success? is it merely expenditure of energy? or is it based on an goal of infinitesimal things that permeates our reality?
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akira_akuma said: a happy life is nonexistent.
happiness =/= a happy life.
life sucks ass. the only good thing about it is abandoning it for truth.
therefore, truth = ne plus ultra of life.
living life requires you to A: be unhappy, and B: lie to yourself and to those around you about how willing you are to suffer in order to pertain to moments in happiness, when the truth is self-evident.
Interesting. Why lie about your willingness to suffer? Lie how?
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by being willing to live.
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Isn't willing to live the factory preset?
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Some may be willing, but not able.
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A happy life would be not being self aware.
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I'm perplexed at that statement.
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It depends on who you are I guess.
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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: dreaz]
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To be oblivious of you're surroundings like a dog for example is a pretty nice life as far as species. Being aware is a gift and a curse.
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yes, lying is a willing preset, if you will. though, it's just a preset.
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To be oblivious of you're surroundings like a dog for example is a pretty nice life as far as species. Being aware is a gift and a curse.
ok, that puts the statement into perspective!
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yes, lying is a willing preset, if you will. though, it's just a preset.
If you are saying that the willingness to live is a lie, I disagree.
Every living creature in nature shows a willingness to live. Why are we different?
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For a solid two years I had an unlimited amount of Diluadid (my addiction) . I'd dose 20+mg per day. I got awesome nods and never went not high. It didn't do a damn thing for me except build my addiction stronger. What makes a happy life happy is a different question
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beforethedawn said: A happy life is exceptional brain health, nothing more.
Lol robot
Well being a robot is having exceptionally bad brain health. I think you interpreted me wrong. I mean to say ultimately that all happiness is internally generated.
Though I admit my life is very simple and you may have a very complicated life that makes you happy, so we are at odds.
I am very happy though...
Perhaps I will tack on more activity soon and realise it's a hell of a lot more fun that way. Despite being fun already.
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Senor_Doobie said: Isn't willing to live the factory preset?
yes, lying is a willing preset, if you will. though, it's just a preset.
If you are saying that the willingness to live is a lie, I disagree.
Every living creature in nature shows a willingness to live. Why are we different?
no, the willingness to lie is a lie.
the willingness to live is the only that makes sense.
that is what i am actually saying.
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no, my life is great. i don't have to suck up to a bunch of idiots who con me into their employ, to pay me piddling for their dirty work...and i'm happy with that, among other things.
butthurt Mcgee- maybe you shouldn't make threads like this if you don't want to discuss these things.
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a happy life is impossible. proof: life has pains, destruction, chaos, things that make people unhappy. thus, no happy "life" is possible. you can only aim to be happy, and i explained a few processes, along with others here. take it or leave it. but "goofing on me" is not something you're accomplishing, when you can't use that brainmeat of your's to do some interpretation, and then get all bent out of shape when someone says something in your thread that you don't like.
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akira, would you agree that the promary mode of being is to try to be the best person possible at every level of your being: from the physical to the social to the human level?
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um, yeah...duh. it's not the easy thing, like my first thought to respond to your comment was "um, yeah...duh". not the greatest response, but i'm just like "i'll scan through my threads list" and i see this and i'm like "dude doesn't think i'm a nihilist, does he?" 

i am a Cynic. i believe that trying to be the best person possible is the goal of life.
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lol
No, not really. I was really just responding to this:
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no, my life is great. i don't have to suck up to a bunch of idiots who con me into their employ, to pay me piddling for their dirty work...and i'm happy with that, among other things.
But, I have no idea how you spend your time. Or what work you do.
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non-kingdom work.
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What's happiness without pain? What's comfort without discomfort? A happy life doesn't require you to be euphoric 24/7.
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a happy life is misnomer, that's the point. it's just life. and it sucks- and it's the lies that we tell ourselves that make life work out at all. like i had already originally stated/pointed out.
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i still am not really getting your point lol. We all "lie to ourselves" because "life sucks"? What doesnt suck? Being dead? What type of existence would you consider to be a good one?
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we lie to ourselves to make life bearable, and we lie to others, the selfsame.
you live you die. it's all the same ride. what existence i'd prefer is one where the ticket cost wasn't exorbitant with time.
ie, dead? why dead? who cares about death, other than as a philosophical musing...poetry...art...music...death is nothing more.
a good existence is here. people just ignore it for the sake of their confusion. which is bliss and which desire leads to understanding, and wisdom. but there is no "full and just and happy life" that isn't fulfilled as if one were a flower. if you can live like a flower, or a tree...then you can say to me, "i've lived a happy life".
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i dont think anyone is in the position to say that everyones life is unbearable. I am far from living a perfect and successful life, but it certainly is not "unbearable". I get suicidal as much as the next guy, but life is still all that we have. You cant just say that existing sucks because "the ticket costs to much". What are you even on about, man. If life is so unbearable then why are you still here?
edit: swift move not to mark that as edited, lol. Living "like a flower" is the only way for lord akira to pass good judgment on you> Do you live like a flower?
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whoa, getting suicidal is exactly the thing. logically it makes sense. makes a point, sends a message. gets rid of the pain.
life is pain.
life is reward- which leads to happiness...temporary, unless you can process things beyond into more placid existences, which lends itself to understanding, also; as much as anything else that is.
yeah, i didn't mean to sound preachy, i mean, well, you stuck around though, so that's odd...must not be too preachy then.
reward is a shitty alternative to true happiness which is unadulterated, pure, like childhood. even though shit still happens and being a kid, people soon learn, is just as bad as anything else, it hits you; "but i never really realized";---unless you had it really bad, in which case, obviously something went very wrong, and that's entirely sad but also, empowering. it changes you, can make you a better person; but it's something you carry with you; imagine the things you can't even readily access in your memory from very early adolescence, and infancy...and as a newborn baby, forget it...clearly we're alien at that stage in life. memories at that age probably do not resemble anything conceivable to the adult mind [just think of that conversion of memory, as well, these cycles, the formative cycles of memory and learning].
these are already, no matter what, difficult times- and you've only got your little brain- at it's creative peak no mushrooms required (that is, of the mind).
"children abide, they abide".
but as life gets more or less into our own ways, more individually (as interactions arise), the goals shift- clearly there is something wrong here; but you can still move about, interact with people, influence people, work with them, basically you are showing off...but there is more than that- there is everything and nothing working at once, all right there- you're doing everything you need to do, as long as you are doing it- but it is not all but the seeking of reward; pleasures abound, even in simplicity; and to train the mind in simplicity is as important a skill as any, because your mind only seeks reward, pleasure, release from anxiety (what someone once called "nausea"), and addictions abound as well. addictions to everything, or i'll go as far as to say, if not addictions, certain compulsions- these things all result in a circuit of reward.
the mind seeks away from pain, unless it can, of course, face it's fears, face the fear of pain; which is the hardest to do...pain in it's many shapes. both psychosomatic pain, and physical.
pain rules over the pleasure circuit. it is the differentiation that overpowers; pain is a lot worse than pleasure. thus it takes precedence (alike when the body/mind reacts to differing pain stimuli on a 'which is worse' and 'which is new' basis- the former being a physical necessity to deal with organic systems; the latter being a formal instruction written into your psyche...what's next, and how do i deal with it.
death makes this all the more permeable.
even when people think they are happy, they are still mostly acting out of fear, or paranoia...or pronoia even.
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i just dont agree. yeah, pain is more intense than euphoria. We constantly try to avoid it to be happy. Yeah, obviously. That's what life is. The struggle for happiness and pleasure. That's not lying to ourselves. That's taking the good with the bad. You cant say "unhappiness exists, so that means life is unhappy". You cant base life off of pain when there is so much pleasure to be had.
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yeah, when annihilation comes, it'll be reasonable.
and didn't say life couldn't be happy. i'd just say it's not a "happy life". it's something akin to the best of things and then things on the total opposite end of the spectrum, and everything in-between. it's basically like a work of art, in my opinion. to put it lightly .
you could also just call it shit though- but then you have to literally make something with it, like, oh i dunno, a vegetable patch. you have to build, make, create, to finds "true happiness" - and not passing happiness- but both 'kinds' are of import, anyway; but the fact it, you can construct a better world; which is it's own involution- a separate thing altogether; and with this you can make "truer" happiness. happiness being that you are emotionally happy, and that happiness is stable and "true".
that is to say, true, as in, "actualized", eg, you're able to access this state of emotional happiness, which would allow you to be 'truly happy', as it were. which is to say that you are not dealing with anger, frustration, fear, guilt or shame, nor indifference.
it's akin to the concept of flow- save that flow is a sensation of the selfsame as happiness, only without the same drive. flow is creatively driven, and happiness is contentedness that can be said to 'cultivate flow'- and or simply, 'to be happy' without concentration or action.
the intelligence is the vouchsafe of the soul. happiness is prone to weakness, unless it's constituted by what is purely inside- and given that we are borne of the physical, we need food, to survive, and clothing and shelter too- we need to produce to make money to make everyone psychically happy so people don't fucking go bonkers and war with eachother for the shear brilliance of the chaos of their reality in flow, in happiness.
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Lies don't make life work out. Speaking what you believe to be true will be proven true if the things you say and do while being motivated by that belief manifest themselves.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


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lies make life more "bearable".
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Senor_Doobie
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Telling the truth does, imo.
I try to have faith that as long as I am speaking the truth, good will come of it. Maybe that's a lie. I guess I'll find out. It's a new thing I'm trying.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Starstepper
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If you could shed away the layers of social conditioning = happy life
Until then you are fucked
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Orphe3us
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I refuse to live my life trying to be happy. Maybe that's why we struggle so much.
How about in return we chase joy, a concept that is not shackled by things people or limits. Joy is a state of mind undependable of materialistic views, similar to serenity feeling monks get meditating for nirvana.
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