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OUTofBODY25
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Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS}
#24017421 - 01/17/17 01:40 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Hello Shroomers, long time reader and poster here.
I'm currently 23 years old and have been indulging with psychedelics since I was 16. Something that I've noticed about my mushrooms trips is that they are getting weaker and weaker as the years go by. I tripped about 12 times in my life in different circumstances (Parties, by myself, with a few friends) and never really had a bad trip.
Last time I tripped was one year ago with a few friends in the forest, they were all kinda new to psychedelics and had a blast while I was sitting there wishing I had brought Marijuna because I barely felt anything and I took 2.5g . The trip felt so thin and short and lasted only 2-3 hours with little to no CVE.
Right now i've been sober for about one year and would love to try mushrooms and I would love a strong trip, any recommendation to potentiate the trip or is it always gonna be this way ?
thank you / OOB25
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: OUTofBODY25]
#24017432 - 01/17/17 01:42 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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try a new and original setting and dose a bit higher. i'd also try and trip alone. just switch it up a bit lol.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: OUTofBODY25]
#24017438 - 01/17/17 01:46 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Happened to me too. Actually there are a lot of people who have "lost the magic" Try a stronger dose (5-7g) or potentiate with 3g syrian rue 30 minutes before the shrooms. Start at 2g shrooms and work your way up if combining with a MAOI
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: JohnnieYen]
#24017462 - 01/17/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Happened to me too. Actually there are a lot of people who have "lost the magic" Try a stronger dose (5-7g) or potentiate with 3g syrian rue 30 minutes before the shrooms. Start at 2g shrooms and work your way up if combining with a MAOI
try a new and original setting and dose a bit higher. i'd also try and trip alone. just switch it up a bit lol.
I kinda want to trip with friends but i'll def up the dose and try the syrian rue, also are cigarettes considered MAOI ? I don't smoke anymore but cigarettes & weed always seem to make the shroom trip a bit stronger for a few minutes.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: OUTofBODY25]
#24017572 - 01/17/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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If you use the MAOI start with a smaller dose. Syrian rue is cheap. Cigs and weed can be a bit of a booster but not an MAOI
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: JohnnieYen]
#24017612 - 01/17/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah I would recommend upping the dosage as well. 2.5g is very weak for me unless I combine it with something else. What is the largest dose you have taken?
Going up to 5-7g may be a little too much if you have never gone that high before.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: BrotherManBill]
#24017733 - 01/17/17 03:37 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Hm, I experienced 2.5 to be anything from relatively weak (B+ eaten) to surprisingly strong (GT lemonteked). So there is some considerable variance.
Secondly, it sounds as if your last trip with mostly inexperienced friends could have created a mindset of responsibility in yourself, which could have prevented you from letting go. But this is just a guess.
Anyway, the idea of tripping alone or in a small group is a good one. You could choose a setting, where you can concentrate on your own trip, maybe with one or two experienced friends.
I personally do not like weed to boost the visuals, since it kills the mental sharpness of the psychedelic substance for me. I prefere taking a higher dose rather then combining a lower one with weed.
Since your last dose was 2.5 one year ago, 5-7 sounds a little like overkill. If I were you, I would try 4g and work my way up, if the result still does not satisfy your needs.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: DerPda]
#24017776 - 01/17/17 03:53 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Only 12 trips over 8 years? I don't believe you can lose the magic, there's no reason that would happen, and personal experience and years of talking to thousands of fellow psychnonauts backs this up. I've had more than 12 trips in two weeks time before and didn't lose any magic. I've come across less than 5 people in all my years who think they've lost the magic and they haven't, they're eating weak mushrooms, just like you.
Mushrooms are not like most drugs in that the dosage is relatively standard. Pharmaceuticals obviously are always going to be the same, 5mg of something will always be 5mg ignoring tolerance of course. Marijuana will generally be the same strength if it comes from the same plant, though lower buds may be somewhat weaker it's not significant. Mushrooms though, unless you're working with a clone which very few people are, are going to vary considerably from one mushroom to the next. If you have a patch of mushrooms every single mushroom will probably be different, for cubensis they could range from 3% alkaloid content to none at all.
When you eat a lot of smaller mushrooms this averages out to around 1% or so, but it's a numbers game. If you have a bunch of big mushrooms and you just grab one you really have no idea how strong or weak a trip you will have. I keep drilling this into peoples heads whenever they complain they've 'lost the magic' but like dumbasses who deny global warming or that the earth is spherical and drifting through space some people are incapable of accepting basic facts. Please don't be one of those people.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: krypto2000]
#24018203 - 01/17/17 06:57 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Take more. At least 3.5g if you want a better experience.
Also, have some weed - deploy either at the come down or come up. Be careful about deploying during the peak - for me this kicks the trip up a solid level + in about a minute. This kind of "spike" can turn a pleasant trip bad if you're not expecting ego death.
If supply is a problem - you can lemon tek 2g for a more intense but shorter lived trip. For me at least, a 2g lemon tek trip is similar to a 4-5g normal trip but last for only 90-120 minutes.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: thetechnician]
#24019274 - 01/18/17 07:35 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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HIGHER DOSE... 5+ dried grams should do it...
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: krypto2000]
#24019310 - 01/18/17 08:10 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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When you eat a lot of smaller mushrooms this averages out to around 1% or so, but it's a numbers game. If you have a bunch of big mushrooms and you just grab one you really have no idea how strong or weak a trip you will have. I keep drilling this into peoples heads whenever they complain they've 'lost the magic' but like dumbasses who deny global warming or that the earth is spherical and drifting through space some people are incapable of accepting basic facts. Please don't be one of those people.
Well I really belived my trips were getting weaker but it seems like you are right I should look for better quality and quantities. Thank you all for your kind replies, I will definetly try a bigger dose. The biggest dose i've had was 5g of dry mushrooms and it definetly did the trick for me. Also I will look for better quality but shrooms are rare in my area. I love tripping and love strong trip so I think i'll just go HAM and try 5-7g.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: krypto2000]
#24019333 - 01/18/17 08:28 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Only 12 trips over 8 years? I don't believe you can lose the magic, there's no reason that would happen, and personal experience and years of talking to thousands of fellow psychnonauts backs this up. I've had more than 12 trips in two weeks time before and didn't lose any magic. I've come across less than 5 people in all my years who think they've lost the magic and they haven't, they're eating weak mushrooms, just like you.
Mushrooms are not like most drugs in that the dosage is relatively standard. Pharmaceuticals obviously are always going to be the same, 5mg of something will always be 5mg ignoring tolerance of course. Marijuana will generally be the same strength if it comes from the same plant, though lower buds may be somewhat weaker it's not significant. Mushrooms though, unless you're working with a clone which very few people are, are going to vary considerably from one mushroom to the next. If you have a patch of mushrooms every single mushroom will probably be different, for cubensis they could range from 3% alkaloid content to none at all.
When you eat a lot of smaller mushrooms this averages out to around 1% or so, but it's a numbers game. If you have a bunch of big mushrooms and you just grab one you really have no idea how strong or weak a trip you will have. I keep drilling this into peoples heads whenever they complain they've 'lost the magic' but like dumbasses who deny global warming or that the earth is spherical and drifting through space some people are incapable of accepting basic facts. Please don't be one of those people.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24019342 - 01/18/17 08:33 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I'm gonna buy an ounce and see where it takes us, will definetely post a trip review and hopefully the ''magic'' will come back
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: krypto2000]
#24019343 - 01/18/17 08:35 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Only 12 trips over 8 years? I don't believe you can lose the magic, there's no reason that would happen, and personal experience and years of talking to thousands of fellow psychnonauts backs this up. I've had more than 12 trips in two weeks time before and didn't lose any magic. I've come across less than 5 people in all my years who think they've lost the magic and they haven't, they're eating weak mushrooms, just like you.
Mushrooms are not like most drugs in that the dosage is relatively standard. Pharmaceuticals obviously are always going to be the same, 5mg of something will always be 5mg ignoring tolerance of course. Marijuana will generally be the same strength if it comes from the same plant, though lower buds may be somewhat weaker it's not significant. Mushrooms though, unless you're working with a clone which very few people are, are going to vary considerably from one mushroom to the next. If you have a patch of mushrooms every single mushroom will probably be different, for cubensis they could range from 3% alkaloid content to none at all.
When you eat a lot of smaller mushrooms this averages out to around 1% or so, but it's a numbers game. If you have a bunch of big mushrooms and you just grab one you really have no idea how strong or weak a trip you will have. I keep drilling this into peoples heads whenever they complain they've 'lost the magic' but like dumbasses who deny global warming or that the earth is spherical and drifting through space some people are incapable of accepting basic facts. Please don't be one of those people.
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krypto2000 said: Only 12 trips over 8 years? I don't believe you can lose the magic, there's no reason that would happen, and personal experience and years of talking to thousands of fellow psychnonauts backs this up. I've had more than 12 trips in two weeks time before and didn't lose any magic. I've come across less than 5 people in all my years who think they've lost the magic and they haven't, they're eating weak mushrooms, just like you.
Mushrooms are not like most drugs in that the dosage is relatively standard. Pharmaceuticals obviously are always going to be the same, 5mg of something will always be 5mg ignoring tolerance of course. Marijuana will generally be the same strength if it comes from the same plant, though lower buds may be somewhat weaker it's not significant. Mushrooms though, unless you're working with a clone which very few people are, are going to vary considerably from one mushroom to the next. If you have a patch of mushrooms every single mushroom will probably be different, for cubensis they could range from 3% alkaloid content to none at all.
When you eat a lot of smaller mushrooms this averages out to around 1% or so, but it's a numbers game. If you have a bunch of big mushrooms and you just grab one you really have no idea how strong or weak a trip you will have. I keep drilling this into peoples heads whenever they complain they've 'lost the magic' but like dumbasses who deny global warming or that the earth is spherical and drifting through space some people are incapable of accepting basic facts. Please don't be one of those people.
Fuck You Cunt!... you're just some douchebag that thinks you have all the answers and refuse to listen to any sort of other facts about it and just claim that is weak mushrooms all the other people are tripping off the same mushrooms and shit! get the f*** out of here dude!
Seriously, stop with your bullshit.
You already got broke off on the percentages part but you just want to go on and on!
....fuck off!
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: voodoochild1000]
#24019393 - 01/18/17 08:59 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said: Fuck You Cunt!... you're just some douchebag that thinks you have all the answers and refuse to listen to any sort of other facts about it and just claim that is weak mushrooms all the other people are tripping off the same mushrooms and shit! get the f*** out of here dude!
Seriously, stop with your bullshit.
You already got broke off on the percentages part but you just want to go on and on!
....fuck off!
What do you mean 'broke off on the percentages part?' Sorry that you have weak mushrooms man, maybe something better will come around.
edit: I don't believe it, but lets give you the benefit of a doubt and say you are special and that psychedelics have stopped working for you. It's not that you eat them every few days and tolerance or that you have weak drugs, you're just special. OP here though has had 12 mushrooms trips over 8 years or however long and only the last 1 or two has 'lost the magic.' Do you honestly think it's more likely that he is special too and hasn't just happened to have a weak trip from a drug that is commonly known to be highly variable in potency?
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: JohnnieYen]
#24019429 - 01/18/17 09:18 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: If you use the MAOI start with a smaller dose. Syrian rue is cheap. Cigs and weed can be a bit of a booster but not an MAOI
Actually, tobacco is an MAOI, not as strong as caapi or rue, but it definitely is. I think smoked cannabis also contains some beta carbolines as well.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: hummingbird]
#24020027 - 01/18/17 01:40 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Tobacco is an maoi for sure, but I don't think it's a very active one. The effects are weak and short lived, not very practical to use for anything. Plus tobacco is gross haha.
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: krypto2000]
#24020319 - 01/18/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I remember reading its around 20-30% MAO inhibition, not much compared to rue or caapi (especially extract), but still significant.
I'm sure there are variables to that too, like type of tobacco and ROA. I don't think smoking Marlboros is quite the same as chewing/smoking Mapacho.
Smoking cannabis always intensifies the trip for me too. I suspect MAOI activity there because bong water glows the same color as water from a Syrian rue extract under UV light, but I never found much info on that.
OP you should be good if you have taken a year off. A break brings back the magic in most cases I think. Just remember set and setting also plays a big part of how it all goes too, not just dosage. I hope you have a blast!
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Re: Is it possible to bring back the magic ? {SHROOMS} [Re: hummingbird]
#24020626 - 01/18/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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hummingbird said: Smoking cannabis always intensifies the trip for me too. I suspect MAOI activity there because bong water glows the same color as water from a Syrian rue extract under UV light, but I never found much info on that.
What color is that? Dissolved hash oil, iirc, has a light blue glow to it. That doesn't mean much though, certainly nothing as specific as it being or containing an maoi, glowing under a blacklight is *very* common.
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