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DrMushroom
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Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters?
#24016404 - 01/17/17 01:07 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Im not sure if there are other factors that come into play besides pressure and the ability to use generic brand bags/bag rolls. Im mostly asking because most vacuum sealers seem to vary in their ability to pack certain things or certain modes which might not work the same, also all mushroom related info seems very dated, the average post appears to be comming from about 8 years ago.
Since mushrooms wont be wet/have suckable liquids, a cheaper model that doesnt handle liquids well is fine for me, while i have some other uses, its all essentially the same anyway, sealing dehydrated foods.
Im often reffered to the idea of using vacuum sealers over some other ideas ive had for longer term storage. But where psylocin is concerned im not 100% on a general concensus based on what ive read.
In short, with maximum potency in mind what should i be looking for? a nice cheap vacuum sealer, or an expensive one? with oxygen absorber/desiccant either way.
Ive found that its possible to get some sealers from china that are about 100W and cost $30, or i can get one which i would find in the local big W, k-mart, etc for about $100 which is likely an inflated rate.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: DrMushroom]
#24016430 - 01/17/17 01:36 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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goodwill, thrift.. or half gallon canning jars
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DrMushroom
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: TheHunt]
#24016449 - 01/17/17 02:03 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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so pretty much any will do then.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: DrMushroom]
#24020598 - 01/18/17 04:37 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I got my Food Saver from EBay. I found one real cheap at a flea market and got it for my Mom. It actually comes in handy. I've got multiple kilos of Kratom sealed in 100-150g increments, it will keep forever. I got the attachment for vacuum sealing canning jars also. I also us it when I pack and ship kratom clones, of course I don't use the vacuum function for that. It works great for meats also. I buy the knock off brand bag rolls, and they work fine.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: JizzMasterZero]
#24020644 - 01/18/17 04:48 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I don't know what the difference between higher end vacuum sealers and cheaps ones are, but I know the bags are sold separately and my cheap ones seals the bag and pulls a vacuum, what more could you want?
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DrMushroom
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: krypto2000]
#24020840 - 01/18/17 06:01 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Another way to put it i guess could be, if anyone has experience in both, since pressure could be the defining thing here? Like, if i put a bunch of desiccant silica and oxygen absorber in each bag, could the probable 20% variance in pressure between a cheap and not so cheap model, have that much of an impact on the shroom potency? because im definitely not going to just rely on the vacuum alone.
I havent checked yet because the shops are so far away and i dont often go but, i think a vacuum sealer in town will cost about $80, regardless of if it comes with any bags, or i can get one from china for $30, i dont need it right now so it works out fine, and even for other stuff im not going to use it so much it even overheats.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: DrMushroom]
#24020888 - 01/18/17 06:21 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I found a food saver brand with bags for 30$ at a yard sale. Had for 3 years and it works great. I always double seal the ends just to make sure. First time using it on mushrooms and seems just fine so far.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: DrMushroom]
#24020935 - 01/18/17 06:34 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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DrMushroom said: Another way to put it i guess could be, if anyone has experience in both, since pressure could be the defining thing here? Like, if i put a bunch of desiccant silica and oxygen absorber in each bag, could the probable 20% variance in pressure between a cheap and not so cheap model, have that much of an impact on the shroom potency? because im definitely not going to just rely on the vacuum alone.
I havent checked yet because the shops are so far away and i dont often go but, i think a vacuum sealer in town will cost about $80, regardless of if it comes with any bags, or i can get one from china for $30, i dont need it right now so it works out fine, and even for other stuff im not going to use it so much it even overheats.
I wouldn't worry about that at all. Even if one sealer only pulls a 730mm/hg vacuum (barely a vacuum) and the other pulls a 20mm/hg vacuum either way there's not going to be a significant enough amount of air in the bag to cause measurable oxidation. As long as the bag is sealed you'll be fine. I've stored mushrooms in a non air tight (at least over time) ziplock that was frequently opened, the mushrooms didn't even stay cracker dry, and over a year they did not lose significant potency.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: krypto2000]
#24020978 - 01/18/17 06:47 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I agree. I wouldn't worry too much about the actual vacuum pressure, just get the air out and make sure it makes a good seal. I do know someone with a very expensive sealer that often has problems with the bags not staying sealed. With food items, the actual seal of the package is far more important than the suction of the vacuum.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: Steveinshell]
#24021543 - 01/18/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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You'd be surprised what you can find at thrift shops. I picked up a foodsaver sealer for $8 just make sure if you get a cheap sealer you dont get bags to thick, my first sealer didnt have enough vacuum for the Ziploc bags and couldn't even seal the package lesson learned, choose wisely
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: drmyc]
#24021557 - 01/18/17 10:16 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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I use a foodsaver, and i love it. I made some rice crispy treats for 4/20 last year...It was june and they were still soft. I put them in it literally as soon as they cooled down, 2 in each bag so I didn't have to open whole batch.
Its good for weed too, im sure shrooms aswell. I mainly use it for weed and edibles though. I wouldn't trust a off-brand unless whatever your sealing is legal.
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DrMushroom
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: drmyc]
#24021570 - 01/18/17 10:23 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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is it also the same way either way when refrigerating/freezing stuff? i probably wont but, my esky is a chest style 24v fridge, its the kind you tke camping though never ake out of the car, it uses a compressor, not peltier.
Anyway, i use it for storing cultures but everything gets wet because of the temperature swings.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: DrMushroom]
#24023250 - 01/19/17 03:32 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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 So here's my attempt at preserving my mushrooms. I wrapped a serving of mushrooms in a paper towel, I also wrapped up two tablespoons of desiccant in another towel then hit the vacuum sealer.. marked it that I found it in grass in town here. Stuck it in a drawer nobody will look in.
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DrMushroom
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: Steveinshell]
#24023579 - 01/19/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Hmm, that gets me to thinking, if the seal is good, how would it work with putting stronger desiccants in there? Like calcium chloride or magnesium sulfate, whichever is stronger. Since no additional water will get in there, the crystals will hydrate, but they shouldnt end up dissolving/wetting right? In this scenario i would be betting that the seal is perfect mind you.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: DrMushroom]
#24023610 - 01/19/17 06:00 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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I used calcium chloride, Damprid brand specifically. If the mushrooms are totally dry and you put the calcium chloride in it will come out completely dry still. Not wet or slimy or anything. At least I hope not. Need to keep these things free of water and oxygen. I think we may be going overboard honestly. I remember having an eighth in a sandwich baggie for like 4 months and it was fine when I ate it.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: Steveinshell]
#24024482 - 01/19/17 11:20 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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i just use canning jars with some homemade silica packets made from coffee filters. Works great.
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Re: Vacuum bag sealers: expensive or cheap, what matters? [Re: TheHunt]
#24024543 - 01/20/17 12:05 AM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Been pondering the exact same thing lately, OP. However instead of the vacuum sealers themselves, I've been specifically looking into the vacuum sealed plastic containers for each brand.
I've come to the conclusion based on multiple reviews/websites that Foodsaver and the Cuisinart equivalent vacuum seal Tupperware don't actually provide air tight seals and if they do it won't be for long due to lack of product quality. As far as vacuum sealing jars and plastic bags, I'm sure both brands hold up very well in that regard. For some reason plastic containers seem more appealing to me. Partly because when I shove multiple bags into drawers I feel like I'm crushing and smashing my dry shrooms to pieces.
Anyways, I have found a lot of positive reviews for Nuwave vacuum seal containers. They include a manual pump for sealing the containers. I am going to order a set from amazon today and confirm all of these positive reviews.
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