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Fruiting chamber failures continue
    #24016352 - 01/17/17 12:32 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Hello All,

I've spent a great deal of time going through this forum and appreciate all the info.  At this point I'm completely lost as to what I'm doing wrong and am looking for a bit more. 

As of right now I have two separate tubs setup.  It allows me to monitor and automate different temps and humidity.  Not being around often, I did my best to get this dialed in.  The heat is controlled by a relay that is targeted to 24.5 degrees C and can fluctuate by as much .4 degrees.  Humidity is set to 98%, to help induce pinning.  That said it's a bit low and is constantly around 96% humidity.  There is a hydrometer currently feeding humidity into the chamber.  I'm working on this still.  As for FAE, I have a dual air pump that feeds to a couple air stones.  Ventilation holes up near the top of the fruiting chamber.  This should allow for positive ventilation, and move all the CO2 out of the tank continuously as the pump is always running.  All air being pumped into the tank (whether from the hydrometer or just fresh air) is run through HEPA filters.  Also light is a 1K Lumen, 5K lightbulb that is on a timer and runs for 12 hours per day.  The setup looks like this....


So I've had many jars grow mycelium successfully with no mold.  That said, once adding these to the fruiting chamber all hell breaks loose, and not in a fun or interesting kind of way.  The first few fails were completely on me.  The time I'm about to ask you about, I've just run out of ideas at this point.  I've bleached out the tub and rack system I built for it.  To me it doesn't look like any mold is growing on the cake.  But then again, the mushrooms don't look very well either.  If it helps, I've been growing a few different kinds of cubensis mushrooms.  The ones in the pictures are Thai Koh.  Looking at the other photos members have posted, I seem to be way off, and don't know how to get back on track or where I went wrong in all honesty. 

What I'm specifically asking about is what I'm doing wrong once the cakes are added to the fruiting chamber.  Any and all help is appreciated. 

Thank you.









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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: iprefermushrooms]
    #24016395 - 01/17/17 01:00 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

You should be putting cakes in a shotgun fruiting Chamber. Those mushrooms look a little fuzzy, which means they aren't getting enough FAE.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: Jrox310]
    #24016401 - 01/17/17 01:05 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

There was I day I remember when everyone would just post "build a proper SGFC" .... :trolldance:

Really though, how does that automate it anymore more than a SGFC?
If you wanted to automate something it should have been a mister..:2cents:


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: iprefermushrooms]
    #24016532 - 01/17/17 04:30 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Ditch the air pumps and use a SGFC or Shotgun Fruiting Chamber. Air pumps are outdated.

Also your pictured cakes have a lot of mutants. I would seek out a new spore vendor next grow.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24016602 - 01/17/17 06:26 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

98% to induce pinning.... Great, BUT, what about after you've got a pin set?
Are you then lowering the RH setting to ~90% ??

I can certainly appreciate your take on a fruiting chamber.  I have used these same RH controllers with MUCH success.

I'm thinking your getting too much of high RH air via the air pump.  If this is the case, the fungis would be stifled by the moisture laiden air... Never able to evaporate surface moisture... WHICH IS HOW THE SHROOMS GROW.

So maybe take a look at decreasing your RH.

But definitely aim high bro.  Don't let haters dissuade you because the "SGFC is all you need".  Albeit accurate, some of us just want to challenge ourselves by designing a kickass FC.

I will admit though... The more components you add which are required for the proper operation of your FC, the more likely you are to have failure.... Like if a pump/controller/heater fails.  That's the nice thing about monotubs and SGFCs... Pretty hard to ehf up.

But once you get a nice FC dialed in.... You'll produce more than ever.

Some reading for you:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9826224#9826224
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/11391697
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18093959/fpart/all/vc/1

That last one is what I modeled my FC after.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: Jabensis]
    #24016943 - 01/17/17 10:01 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

is this a troll thread?? really? im not joking.

OP builds a overly complicated setup using components proven to fail years on end. noob attempt after attempt.
using ancient teks i would never ever show a new grower. maybe in a gag reel.

AND to top it off he starts a thread about how it doesnt work but tries to justify how cool it is in the same post.
at least he admits he is lost and doesnt know what to do..

read/start here and repress this memory

sorry to be blunt/rude but damn. automating the wrong conditions is all you've done.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: mushboy]
    #24017138 - 01/17/17 11:29 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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There was I day I remember when everyone would just post "build a proper SGFC" .... :trolldance:

Really though, how does that automate it anymore more than a SGFC?
If you wanted to automate something it should have been a mister..:2cents:




I'm not around my place that much, so I guess when I say I'm trying to "automate it", I guess I really mean I'm doing my best to regulate the conditions when I'm not at my place very often.  I want to know that my air, humidity, and temp are all close to where they need to be.  I've read through many posts about the shotgun method, but this method also requires a lot of moisture to be monitored by maintaining an inch or so of water at the base of the FC.  I guess I could come up with some sort of regulator that would pump in water to maintain this level.  Kind of like how the basin of a toilet fills up to later cause pressure to fill the bowl.

I am currently trying to regulate the RH using a hydroponic humidifier.  That said, I plan on swapping this out today when the atomizer I ordered arrives.  When this is wired up to the humidity relay, it will only kick on when RH is below the tolerance level that I set.  I didn't think a 'mister' would be good because it would be more prone to pooling water on the cakes and from what I had seen this would have kept the growth period from happening. 


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Ditch the air pumps and use a SGFC or Shotgun Fruiting Chamber. Air pumps are outdated.

Also your pictured cakes have a lot of mutants. I would seek out a new spore vendor next grow.




I hadn't realized the airpumps were outdated.  Thank you.  There is a LOT of info in this forum and digging through what works vs. what fails, vs. what is outdated but still works isn't always 100% clear. 

As for the spores, I purchased them from the mushrooms.com which I believe is a sponsor of this site, so I didn't think that would be an issues but will take this into consideration.  Thanks.



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98% to induce pinning.... Great, BUT, what about after you've got a pin set?
Are you then lowering the RH setting to ~90% ??

I can certainly appreciate your take on a fruiting chamber.  I have used these same RH controllers with MUCH success.

I'm thinking your getting too much of high RH air via the air pump.  If this is the case, the fungis would be stifled by the moisture laiden air... Never able to evaporate surface moisture... WHICH IS HOW THE SHROOMS GROW.

So maybe take a look at decreasing your RH.

But definitely aim high bro.  Don't let haters dissuade you because the "SGFC is all you need".  Albeit accurate, some of us just want to challenge ourselves by designing a kickass FC.

I will admit though... The more components you add which are required for the proper operation of your FC, the more likely you are to have failure.... Like if a pump/controller/heater fails.  That's the nice thing about monotubs and SGFCs... Pretty hard to ehf up.

But once you get a nice FC dialed in.... You'll produce more than ever.

Some reading for you:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9826224#9826224
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/11391697
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18093959/fpart/all/vc/1

That last one is what I modeled my FC after.




Thanks for the links and the encouragement.  As for the humidity.  Over the course of the day the range is almost always between 93-95% RH. I'm starting to think I should introduce a third chamber that is for pinning only.  But as others have said, I may be over-complicating things by now.  So if I have a few cakes that are on their way to pinning, and a few that have progressed much further, I should really separate these out. 

I'll have to read through these quite a bit more in detail to work through where I am off.  But again, thanks for the info.  I really do appreciate it. 




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is this a troll thread?? really? im not joking.

OP builds a overly complicated setup using components proven to fail years on end. noob attempt after attempt.
using ancient teks i would never ever show a new grower. maybe in a gag reel.

AND to top it off he starts a thread about how it doesnt work but tries to justify how cool it is in the same post.
at least he admits he is lost and doesnt know what to do..

read/start here and repress this memory

sorry to be blunt/rude but damn. automating the wrong conditions is all you've done.




I apologize if you feel that I've offended you and am just trying to waste people's time and create trouble.  I assure you I am not.  I understand you say I'm using technology that has proven to fail for years, but many of the components I've incorporated, I've read work and seen pics of successful grows in many instances.  Which is how I've progressed down this path.  I'll admit to being pretty ignorant when I comes to this entire process.  Over the past 4 months or so have progressed to the point where I haven't posted, but learned what I could through reading the other posts including where to start, which is how I am here.  I've had 3 failures in the FC chamber before this.

When you say 'automating the wrong conditions' I'm not sure how I've accomplished that or what I'm missing.  For a proper FC, the 4 conditions I've read about have been RH, Temp, FAE, and proper lighting.  RH is monitored and kept at 93-95%.  Temp is maintained withing a half a degree of 76F.  FAE is pumped in 24hrs a day.  And the 5K bulb is on a timer for 12hrs a day.  There is no pooling of moisture on the cakes, but they are a bit fuzzy.  I've ready that this could be because the mycelium is searching out for more moisture. 

I understand the SGFC is great for people that are around often and can look at a gauge and correct the situation themselves.  I'm looking to get this to work with a bit of a different situation.

I promise I'm not looking to waste anybody's time.

Again, Thank you all very much for both the ideas, criticism, and support.  I really do enjoy reading through all the different ideas, and methods that have worked both failed and succeeded.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: iprefermushrooms]
    #24017146 - 01/17/17 11:35 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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I've had 3 failures in the FC chamber before this.....When you say 'automating the wrong conditions' I'm not sure how I've accomplished that or what I'm missing.  For a proper FC, the 4 conditions I've read about have been RH, Temp, FAE, and proper lighting.  RH is monitored and kept at 93-95%.  Temp is maintained withing a half a degree of 76F.  FAE is pumped in 24hrs a day.


 

air pumps do not work. you are defining the correct conditions but using the wrong tool.

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And the 5K bulb is on a timer for 12hrs a day.  There is no pooling of moisture on the cakes, but they are a bit fuzzy.  I've ready that this could be because the mycelium is searching out for more moisture.


 

why make the myc waste enegry 'searching for moisture' GIVE it moisture with a mist.and use 6500k light :p

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I understand the SGFC is great for people that are around often and can look at a gauge and correct the situation themselves.  I'm looking to get this to work with a bit of a different situation.




you wont. and you can leave a sgfc unattended for a long ass time.

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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: iprefermushrooms]
    #24017149 - 01/17/17 11:36 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

yah come on mushboy. a troll post? he clearly has been misinformed. To make an FC then take a pic of it for trolling is not something people do.

Anyway, iprefermushrooms, when u read a thread, look at the date on it. Its listed under the header, for example under "Re: Fruiting Chamber Failures continue" theres a date, todays date.

When u read a thread, make sure all the dates are 4 years old or younger. The younger the better.

And if u get real lost, PM a grower who has lots of mushroom pics in their sig. They are legit growers.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24017153 - 01/17/17 11:37 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

vary good point. i apologize to OP. i got excited.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: mushboy]
    #24017163 - 01/17/17 11:42 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

no worries.

I think we all are a little sensitive to troll-ish posts since they are kinda common.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: mushboy]
    #24017181 - 01/17/17 11:49 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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yah come on mushboy. a troll post? he clearly has been misinformed. To make an FC then take a pic of it for trolling is not something people do.

Anyway, iprefermushrooms, when u read a thread, look at the date on it. Its listed under the header, for example under "Re: Fruiting Chamber Failures continue" theres a date, todays date.

When u read a thread, make sure all the dates are 4 years old or younger. The younger the better.

And if u get real lost, PM a grower who has lots of mushroom pics in their sig. They are legit growers.




Thank you.  My experience have always been with automotive forums where the year of the post doesn't always come into play.  Good to know.  Thanks again for the knowledge and how to approach members in this forum.


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I understand the SGFC is great for people that are around often and can look at a gauge and correct the situation themselves.  I'm looking to get this to work with a bit of a different situation.




you wont. and you can leave a sgfc unattended for a long ass time.

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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: iprefermushrooms]
    #24017359 - 01/17/17 01:18 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Surprised no ones mentioned to OP that KSSS is a mutant cube stain and often doesn't do fantastic on cakes.

Next time using that strain OP Make small trays and break the cakes up.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24017375 - 01/17/17 01:27 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

i totally missed the KSSS part.

Yah, KSSS is a mutant strain OP.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24017417 - 01/17/17 01:39 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Haha yeah those look like normal ksss fruits to me. Maybe some show signs of low fae but overall it's looking good to me.


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Re: Fruiting chamber failures continue [Re: Mad Season]
    #24017659 - 01/17/17 02:59 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

You certainly have some fancy gadgets and a desire to make a full-auto, but so did I. I had computer fans, timers, atomizers etc., but in the end a proper SG is not something you need to be on top of every day, they are forgiving somewhat.

You have the cash, try one side by side and just see... what do you have to lose?

The perlite you have is not really doing anything as you are pumping the humidity in externally. The shotgun draws moisture from the perlite by design. What you're attempting can be done, but it likely will be a waste of resources and frustrating. (cool factor of 10 though in my opinion).



This was my first mushroom in a proper SG, I increased the perlite to 4" and the rest came out pretty good... even when I couldn't be home every day.


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