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wolfiewolfie
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Let's argue! 2
#24016000 - 01/16/17 09:41 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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I thought of a fun little 'game' we could play on here, which I'm hoping will take off but I'm prepared for it to die in the ass too 
Rules are as follows: -I will start off with a debatable topic -The next poster has to come up with two short arguments for the topic, one for and one against -The poster then adds a new debatable topic to the end of their post for the next user and so on and so forth -In order to avoid two or more users replying to the same topic, it is advisable to quickly reply with "reserved" to claim your spot, then you can take the time to edit your post with your arguments and new topic -If a user has reserved a reply to the previous suggested topic, only they can provide the corresponding arguments. Everyone else must wait.
Scoring: -When a user provides an adequate for and against argument, as well as a new topic, they will be awarded 1 point and their name will be added to the score board below which I will keep updated -If a user fails to provide an adequate for and against argument they do not gain a point, however if a new topic is also provided it is valid for the game to continue -If any users are out of line or abusive towards other players, they will be deducted 1 point per 'flame' post
Example post layout: ---------- For: (argument agreeing with the topic in the previous post)
Against: (argument disagreeing with the topic in the previous post)
New topic: ----------
Hopefully this game can be both entertaining and provide an environment for people to learn how to unbiasly view subjects and issues from more than one perspective.
My name will not be on the score board to keep it fair and I will keep the scores updated
Let the game begin!
Topic: Animal Testing - Should animals be used for scientific or commercial testing?
Edited by wolfiewolfie (01/18/17 12:20 AM)
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wolfiewolfie
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Scoreboard
Sudly: 1 Jokeshopbeard: 1 Kurt: 1 Quinn: 1 Connectedcosmos: 1
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The only reason why T-rex's can't walk backwards is because they're extinct, which perfectly explains why there are no headaches in the rainforest; The parrots eat 'em all. My Drawings
Edited by wolfiewolfie (01/18/17 12:53 AM)
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Tmethyl
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wolfiewolfie said: Animal Testing - Should animals be used for scientific or commercial testing?
Yes, but only if the animal remains unharmed and is well taken care of. I do find it necessary to test products & practices, not just on animals, but people as well. Proper and responsible precautions must be maintained and overseen.
Topic: Should all schools make it a requirement to teach arts and music to their students?
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connectedcosmos
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Yes art is a beautiful way to express emotion through music or whatever kind of art really, it is a beautiful thing that can create great abilities with kids!!
Topic: has existence always existed ? Did it have a beginning? Or is that just how humans want to understand it?
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sudly
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I think they should remove ethics concerns over stem cell research so that we can grow organs to test in the lab instead of having to use test animals.
I don't so much support commercial testing because it's a therapeutic process but scientific research is for medical progress so I think I have a bias in that direction.
Topic: Identity - Are some humans better than others? Aside from physical abnormalities.
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sudly
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: Tmethyl]
#24016139 - 01/16/17 10:49 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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For music and art: I think they're a great way to develop skills in self expression and it acts as a creative outlet for students in an autonomic system.
Against music and art: There may be high expectations in the classroom when one student outshines others as painting styles are as unique as individuals and learning an instrument is a complex process.
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Edited by sudly (01/16/17 11:02 PM)
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sudly
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For existence existing forever: Existence has been around for at least 14 billion years so I don't think it's too far fetched to say it's possible it could have been going longer.
Against existence existing forever: We just don't know as there's still a lot that needs to be learnt about the nature of reality and the interactions of mass and energy.
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Edited by sudly (01/16/17 11:03 PM)
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wolfiewolfie
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: sudly]
#24016144 - 01/16/17 10:52 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Guys you must provide both a for AND against argument, and ONLY to the topic in the previous post.
Example post:
For: Animal testing is good because...
Against: Animal testing is bad because...
New topic:
I will update the OP to try and make this clearer
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Edited by wolfiewolfie (01/16/17 10:56 PM)
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sudly
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For animal testing: It provides an avenue for medical development and we have used it to extend the lifetime, health and lifestyle of mankind.
Against animal testing: Regulations and standards could be better as some institutions have commercial incentives and therefore may lack in the quality of their ethical standards.
New topic: What is the effect of exaggeration in social situations?
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I'm right You're wrong
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wolfiewolfie
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: sudly]
#24016168 - 01/16/17 11:02 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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sudly said: For animal testing: It provides an avenue for medical development and we have used it to extend the lifetime, health and lifestyle of mankind.
Against animal testing: Regulations and standards could be better as some institutions have commercial incentives and therefore may lack in the quality of their ethical standards.
New topic: What is the effect of exaggeration in social situations?
Perfect. You are now top of the leader board
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The only reason why T-rex's can't walk backwards is because they're extinct, which perfectly explains why there are no headaches in the rainforest; The parrots eat 'em all. My Drawings
Edited by wolfiewolfie (01/16/17 11:03 PM)
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: Tmethyl]
#24016174 - 01/16/17 11:04 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Topic: Should all schools make it a requirement to teach arts and music to their students?
I don't think it should be a requirement per se; I think it should be an option for any students who wished to pursue it. I'm personally extremely against having a set curriculum that all students must study - as unique individuals I feel we should be helped, by the schools, to find out our unique strengths and weaknesses and to be given the necessary teaching that will help us to achieve our full (unique) potential in whatever most interests us. Pumping out worker bees seems to me the main aim of the schools, and I despise them for it:
The most erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. --H.L. Mencken
On the flip side however, I do feel that we would all benefit if the schools put at least some effort towards teaching us how to best handle the human condition that we've all been born into - how to handle ones emotions, interact with others, etc. It could be argued that the creative arts fall into this category.
TOPIC: What is time? Is it really as linear as we feel it to be?
BONUS POINT: Where in the nursery rhyme does it say that Humpty Dumpty was an egg?
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wolfiewolfie
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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Tmethyl said: Topic: Should all schools make it a requirement to teach arts and music to their students?
I don't think it should be a requirement per se; I think it should be an option for any students who wished to pursue it. I'm personally extremely against having a set curriculum that all students must study - as unique individuals I feel we should be helped, by the schools, to find out our unique strengths and weaknesses and to be given the necessary teaching that will help us to achieve our full (unique) potential in whatever most interests us. Pumping out worker bees seems to me the main aim of the schools, and I despise them for it:
The most erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. --H.L. Mencken
On the flip side however, I do feel that we would all benefit if the schools put at least some effort towards teaching us how to best handle the human condition that we've all been born into - how to handle ones emotions, interact with others, etc. It could be argued that the creative arts fall into this category.
TOPIC: What is time? Is it really as linear as we feel it to be?
BONUS POINT: Where in the nursery rhyme does it say that Humpty Dumpty was an egg?
Technically I shouldn't give you a point because the last topic, the one you should have been replying to, was "What is the effect of exaggeration in social situations?"
However.
Due to the effort you put into your arguments I will let you off this time and award 1 point
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TOPIC: What is time? Is it really as linear as we feel it to be?
this is a good one 
also a tough one..
time is so many things.. a dimension, a way of orienting ourselves in the world, a theoretical construct, a relationship between things..
for: is time linear?.. in an obvious sense, yeah. in the sense that everything exists simultaneously and simultaneously ages. if you age more quickly than me that is trivial, what is important is that time is irreversible. as moments pass, whatever relations we have to eachother and all other things are lost for us both irrevocably. the only way is forward..
against: but is time really linear? in a less obvious sense.. not quite.. most of us at least do not simply structure our memories with time. sure it is one way but not the only or even most important way... and our memories make up our minds and our minds our realities...
id say most of us structure our memories with emotional significance, situations that stick, hopes and fears that we cant undo but hang there in the back of our minds and we return to again and again... or sometimes not, if they are too painful.
or maybe only when we are strong enough to face it..
and we return to them because they pose problems for us, to go into, to explore, to reconsider, to learn and grow and transform them..
and we dont just go back in an orderly linear fashion, but more chaotically by smells, sounds, colours, places, feelings, aquaintances, associations, anything.. anything around us can hide a secret gateway to the past and our past can be revisited and reexamined and transformed to something powerful and new in our present/future

TOPIC: knowledge is power
Edited by quinn (01/17/17 04:43 AM)
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Kurt
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: quinn] 1
#24017979 - 01/17/17 05:26 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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For the notion that knowledge is power:
Power is the demonstrability of force.
In a closely related way knowledge respectively can be conceived as the theoretical calculability and determinism, of a finite field of nature, in which humankind increasingly ascribes and embeds itself in implicit relations.
To say nature is determined or determinant, is theoretically appropriate. But we know nature is not ever and in any proportion "determining" things as logic-bound or intelligible as it may seem to be. At least thus far in history, it is a human, a being in and of nature, who "determines" the world as much as finds it determined. Man (and sorry to be sexist but it seems to fit) finds nature in his terms in a matrix of determinability and calculability, as what he calls his knowledge.
Observations are a challenging-forth of others, and their perceptions as much as nature. Consider, for instance, we do not usually "discover" or unconceal nature, so much as invent something within it. The invention of rocket-science likewise implicitly demonstrates laws of thermodynamics and laws nature it must be found in, in it, to get the rocket to where it is going. This human vehicle of invention likewise carries the vast majority of relavent knowledge in its powerful relation. So if the goal is to get to the moon and gather geological specimens, as the sort of naturalistic pursuit that makes Neil Degrasse Tyson's eyes twinkle, the means, and effective integration of disciplines and cooperation of reaching those orbs and stars, far outstrips science as a naturalism. The way to put this in simple terms is that pursuit of knowledge has become a technical discipline - an invention, in its terms, which carries the terms of science, with a throwback sentiment to natural philosophy.
Against the notion knowledge is power:
Although by and large science is a technical organization, it arguably at least still maintains its aforementioned naturalistic roots. When we "observe" in a hypothesis, we do indeed let something be, even if at the same time we challenge something forth in implicit relations to some extent. It is both yin and yang. Trace the yang, the empirical/objective standard of observation, to nature itself, Physis, and it is clear western science seeks to find the sui generis, a thing found caused in itself as an understanding of physical nature. Knowledge in this sense, is allowing a phenomenon to show itself in itself, from itself and this letting-be toward nature, remains the essential strain of science, in our technically driven concept of knowledge. There is some yin in relation, and in yang.
Question:
What is the value of ecology and the philosophically appropriate way to study it?
Edited by Kurt (01/17/17 05:39 PM)
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: Kurt]
#24017990 - 01/17/17 05:33 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Topic:
Am I a Monkey-Fish?
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The Blind Ass said: Topic:
Am I a Monkey-Fish?
No argument to rebuke therefore, by default, the next poster (me) wins.
New topic: This thread is essentially what this forum is. Any post that can be substantiated here is akin to any thread start that can be substantiated. Except it's unlikely that a singular thread will be monitored like the forum as a whole is. And so it is my supposition that this thread will quickly derail into nonsense posts. See several posts already for evidence
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Kurt
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: Kickle] 1
#24018079 - 01/17/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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I might not have understood the premise of this thread, but I thought the scoring was essentially like a participation trophy. 
Which I want gimme points
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: Kickle]
#24018103 - 01/17/17 06:28 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Well I agree that there are several nonsense posts already, which also happens with threads in this forum and threads degenerate,
This does not happen to all threads , some persist with good arguments, along side of and despite many nonsense posts.
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Kurt said: Question:
What is the value of ecology and the philosophically appropriate way to study it?
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wolfiewolfie
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Re: Let's argue! [Re: Kurt]
#24018532 - 01/17/17 08:57 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Kurt said: I might not have understood the premise of this thread, but I thought the scoring was essentially like a participation trophy. 
Which I want gimme points
Scoreboard updated
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