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OfflineEasyriding123
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Starting a painting business
    #24015833 - 01/16/17 08:36 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I'm in the process of starting a painting business.

I'm stressed.

I've been working remodeling homes the past couple weeks,  to make more money I've been lining up side jobs (painting)  for the weekends.  These jobs were given to me by my employer but I would take in all the cash from the job rather then working hourly for him.

While I was doing this I started advertising for painting,  and received a lot of responses.

I have to go give a bunch of estimates/bids this week,  something I've never done before. 

I'm a little nervous on how to be professional and seal the deal sales wise and be as personable/likeable as possible.

So what started as a weekend thing might be a full time opportunity and if I execute this right I can be making some pretty good money.

Any advice from any painters/business owners?


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24015880 - 01/16/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Be confident with your price.  Get good at up front, flat rate, pricing.  Under promise and over deliver.  Add extra to each job.  I do plumbing and have owned my own business for 3 years.


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Just_A_Noob]
    #24015934 - 01/16/17 09:10 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Wear a respirator if you can too, those paint VOC exposures add up over the years from what I've seen in the old painter men here


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: trees]
    #24015990 - 01/16/17 09:36 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Be honest and underbid...I'm in the roofing business and just as most construction trades  it's a cut throat business. When I bid side jobs I always bid way under what a contractor would (don't cut your own throat though...it's a fine line). I don't have the reputation my employer does (we specialize in commercial buildings) and so I understand I can't demand the prices he does. If and when I ever build a reputation up I will raise my bids, as should you.

Your work will speak for itself and word of mouth is one of the fastest ways to gain business in my experience. And as Just a Noob said Be confident!


Best of luck and kudos for going out and getting it :cheers:


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: The Influence]
    #24016053 - 01/16/17 10:04 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

hey i am doing the same thing also a painter here too. i have had the biggest problem underbidding just to get the job (cuz im broke right now) so always go high just a little...
yea good luck man!! \
I will  be starting up again soon to dead this time of year where im at...


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123] * 1
    #24016275 - 01/16/17 11:54 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Easyriding123 said:
Any advice from any painters/business owners?





contracts, everything needs to be stated in a contract, what you will do and what
you wont do, what the services will cost of you have to do additional work, make
sure to take photographs of everything before and after for your protection, if
you have to move furniture you need to photograph ant existing damage to it in the
unpainted setting and point it out to the home owner so they cant come back and
claim you did some damage to their shit. photograph ant damage to walls and if you
do any damage make sure it's repaired and easy to cover so it doesnt look like a
repair, for instance, if the wall was painted with a roller before the damage
you'll need to run a roller over the repair a few times before a final coat to it
blends with the rest of the wall and tarp the fuck out of everything, you can
never over tarp shit in someone elses home

determine how you're going to price, you need to know a square foot pricing for
interior and single story exterior work, multiple floors and steep grades on
exterior require added charges just as it will for tall spaces such as 2-3 story
foyers and great rooms

measure the rooms before giving an estimate and dont lowball yourself, sell your
services at a normal price, in my area about $3.50-$4/square foot is normal,
sanding and priming will run that cost up to around $6 per square foot. I always
recommend at least sanding the surfaces for better adhesion.


let me reiterate, everything goes on a contract, everything.


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: The Influence]
    #24016287 - 01/16/17 11:57 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

The Influence said:
underbid...




no.

people dont take you serious if you underbid, they see you as shadier, I've gone out
to fix a lot of shit where the person under bid, they got 50% upfront which
purchased materials and supplies, they half assed the jobs and bailed in the middle
because they realized they bid too low to make anything. never sell your work at a
discount unless you have a promotion that allows you to


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24016302 - 01/17/17 12:07 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

The Influence said:
underbid...




no.

people dont take you serious if you underbid, they see you as shadier, I've gone out
to fix a lot of shit where the person under bid, they got 50% upfront which
purchased materials and supplies, they half assed the jobs and bailed in the middle
because they realized they bid too low to make anything. never sell your work at a
discount unless you have a promotion that allows you to




voice of reason.

also, take into consider consumables, and any possible over head,and apply the proper mark up


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24016311 - 01/17/17 12:11 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Easyriding123 said:
Any advice from any painters/business owners?





contracts, everything needs to be stated in a contract, what you will do and what
you wont do, what the services will cost of you have to do additional work, make
sure to take photographs of everything before and after for your protection, if
you have to move furniture you need to photograph ant existing damage to it in the
unpainted setting and point it out to the home owner so they cant come back and
claim you did some damage to their shit. photograph ant damage to walls and if you
do any damage make sure it's repaired and easy to cover so it doesnt look like a
repair, for instance, if the wall was painted with a roller before the damage
you'll need to run a roller over the repair a few times before a final coat to it
blends with the rest of the wall and tarp the fuck out of everything, you can
never over tarp shit in someone elses home

determine how you're going to price, you need to know a square foot pricing for
interior and single story exterior work, multiple floors and steep grades on
exterior require added charges just as it will for tall spaces such as 2-3 story
foyers and great rooms

measure the rooms before giving an estimate and dont lowball yourself, sell your
services at a normal price, in my area about $3.50-$4/square foot is normal,
sanding and priming will run that cost up to around $6 per square foot. I always
recommend at least sanding the surfaces for better adhesion.


let me reiterate, everything goes on a contract, everything.



:whathesaid: Pretty badass advice op
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

The Influence said:
underbid...




no.

people dont take you serious if you underbid, they see you as shadier, I've gone out
to fix a lot of shit where the person under bid, they got 50% upfront which
purchased materials and supplies, they half assed the jobs and bailed in the middle
because they realized they bid too low to make anything. never sell your work at a
discount unless you have a promotion that allows you to



I can agree with some points there...i do get my materials through my boss at a discount compared to Menards and home depot... if they wanted to pay a contractor price they would hire a contractor you know what I mean? There are a lot of scabs out there in every trade professional and fly by nighters. I won't get on a roof for less than $125 a square..thats starting price for a one story 4- 6 pitch tearoff and re- shingle. Any higher or steeper the price goes up...but that's roofing not painting. My boss on the other hand charges $60 an hour for each one of us to be there and that's just shingling...we spealize in epdm, tpo, modified bitnum, and hot tar roofs commercially and I don't know how to bid those jobs...but I seem to secure a lot of side jobs with my bids and make a nice chunk of change...just my experience


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24016419 - 01/17/17 01:23 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I would say what's already been said. Don't underbid just because you're afraid that giving a fair bid wouldn't get you the job. If you're not going to make enough for it to really be worth the effort, then there's no point in winning the job anyways. Also I'd expect every new job to be a bit nerve-racking for awhile. It's a lot of pressure to be the sole one responsible.


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24016452 - 01/17/17 02:05 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Don't hire people just because they're friends.


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24016467 - 01/17/17 02:27 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Id say just relax and learn as u go, just be prepared to answer those questions such as about pricing and how long the job will take, etc., etc.,

Hopefully u get sum cool peeps who just let u do the work and give u ur space. Expect those assholes tho, try to work with them and not against them, be nice to everyone and dont sweat the small stuffs.

Treat people like people cuz thats all we are mang :manofapproval:


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: lighthouse09]
    #24016478 - 01/17/17 02:55 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

lighthouse09 said:
hey i am doing the same thing also a painter here too.




I saw on National Geographic once that painters will hunt and eat other painters to eliminate competition.

That true?


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24016522 - 01/17/17 04:11 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Easyriding123 said:
I'm in the process of starting a painting business.

I'm stressed.

I've been working remodeling homes the past couple weeks,  to make more money I've been lining up side jobs (painting)  for the weekends.  These jobs were given to me by my employer but I would take in all the cash from the job rather then working hourly for him.

While I was doing this I started advertising for painting,  and received a lot of responses.

I have to go give a bunch of estimates/bids this week,  something I've never done before. 

I'm a little nervous on how to be professional and seal the deal sales wise and be as personable/likeable as possible.

So what started as a weekend thing might be a full time opportunity and if I execute this right I can be making some pretty good money.

Any advice from any painters/business owners?




Me and plenty of my pals do sidework. Two buddies actually own businesses and one other is very talented and sells work on the side A LOT for his weekends

All of them have different approach, and different behavior while giving an estimate, and they all win bids all the time

I've found that KNOWLEDGE is your closest ally when giving an estimate, and if you don't have it, don't over compensate with BS

Keep it simple stupid!

Under promise and over deliver with your work, just make sure you CAN complete the job, and be as fair as you can be with your bid, but DEFINITELY leave yourself room to make money

My trade isn't painting, but all the same I have definitely been on tons of estimates, and confidence will go a long way when approaching and dealing with customers

Its none of my business, and I don't know how your boss would handle it, but don't shoot yourself in the foot selling work in your boss's neighborhood, if that's something that would bother him

Otherwise good luck bro!


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24016536 - 01/17/17 04:35 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Depending on the job, I might ask for proof of insurance and your contractor's license.  I'm less inclined to hire day laborers nowadays.


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24016721 - 01/17/17 08:11 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

If you want to message me, I can send you over some spec sheets, sample bids of my prices etc.  Had my own for 13 years now


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: RobZombie68]
    #24016933 - 01/17/17 09:58 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Great advice guys.  I need to learn how to write up contracts/bids on paper . I messaged you Rob.


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24016950 - 01/17/17 10:03 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Easyriding123 said:
I'm in the process of starting a painting business.

I'm stressed.

I've been working remodeling homes the past couple weeks,  to make more money I've been lining up side jobs (painting)  for the weekends.  These jobs were given to me by my employer but I would take in all the cash from the job rather then working hourly for him.

While I was doing this I started advertising for painting,  and received a lot of responses.

I have to go give a bunch of estimates/bids this week,  something I've never done before. 

I'm a little nervous on how to be professional and seal the deal sales wise and be as personable/likeable as possible.

So what started as a weekend thing might be a full time opportunity and if I execute this right I can be making some pretty good money.

Any advice from any painters/business owners?




Dude. Congrats. Fuck th rat race and the high taxes that comes with. You've just become your own man.

You have a bright future ahead of you


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: Easyriding123]
    #24016979 - 01/17/17 10:17 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

You said you started advertising, how did you advertise?

Im a locksmith and lookig for side gigs


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Re: Starting a painting business [Re: The Influence]
    #24016992 - 01/17/17 10:22 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

The Influence said:
I can agree with some points there...i do get my materials through my boss at a discount compared to Menards and home depot... if they wanted to pay a contractor price they would hire a contractor you know what I mean?





if you're bidding a job for a home owner then you're a contractor, know what I mean?

if they just want paint slapped on the house then they'd hire neighborhood kids or people off facebook


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