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    #24015358 - 01/16/17 05:29 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

So I was unclear on when mixing everything I mix the vermiculite and water first right then I mix in the brown rice flour? Thanks guys


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777] * 1
    #24015437 - 01/16/17 06:03 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Mix all the dry ingredents first, then add water.


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    #24015537 - 01/16/17 06:50 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

like making a cake...  :thatsallfolks:


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    #24015593 - 01/16/17 07:10 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Roger Rabbit recommends mixing the water with the vermiculite first and then adding the rice flour to avoid clumping and make sure that the water retaining verm gets a "coating of flour"...i've always done it his way and never been disappointed.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Mycologist217]
    #24015596 - 01/16/17 07:11 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Roger Rabbit recommends mixing the water with the vermiculite first and then adding the rice flour to avoid clumping and make sure that the water retaining verm gets a "coating of flour"...i've always done it his way and never been disappointed.




This is what I do. Works pretty damn well.


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    #24015649 - 01/16/17 07:33 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: Pf tek [Re: Mycologist217]
    #24015767 - 01/16/17 08:11 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Roger Rabbit recommends mixing the water with the vermiculite first and then adding the rice flour to avoid clumping and make sure that the water retaining verm gets a "coating of flour"...i've always done it his way and never been disappointed.




Thats how i do it.

Wet the verm then coating it with BRF afterwords.

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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24015804 - 01/16/17 08:27 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I found this in my journal if it helps any. It will help you transition to culture work and it's really hard to mess up jars in a SAB. It'll give you the practice and your Order of Things for when you're in there moving agar.

1. Fill jar with 50/50 brf up to the ring.

2. Smooth out the inner rim and remove nutrition before adding the verm layer. I use the 3 section paper towels and rip them in half, set them on a dry surface, and use one per jar. Don't cross contam, you could be smearing BRF from jar 1 to jar 2.

3. PC at 15 psi for 45 minutes (when the rocker starts, so should your timer).

4. Let them sit overnight to cool. Never remove the rocker until you're ready to load your still air box.

5. Lay a towel down on a table. Spray it with soapy water. Clean out your SAB with 71% ISO, using paper towels not a rag, do it again with soapy water, spray all 5 sides with soapy water. Placing the two open holes against the towel.

6. Unload your PC into your SAB. Your jars are only going to be briefly in the open air just set them in there. Unwrap foil, put in SAB. No need to wipe them down etc you're just adding work and contamination vectors. They are sterile when they come out of the PC.

6a. Wear gloves. Blue nitrile with iso. I usually just iso them once at the beginning of work. (A face mask helps especially if you have facial hair. A shower doesn't hurt. Scrub your arms like you're going into surgery. Rings and especially watches are contamination vectors.

7. Flame your needle outside your SAB, not near the arm holes. Do not wipe with alcohol; fire red hot will kill anything. Eject half a cc to cool the needle. Make sure your needle gets past the dry verm barrier. Inject a drop or two of water and slowly move around the jar (I hold it in my hand and turn it and keep my movements to a minimum).

8. Make sure you work mechanically with slow calculated movements.

9. Flame between jars, not each hole.

10. Use the right jars.

11. Try not to mess with them for two weeks. Trich and bacteria will show in 3 to 4 days, get those out of the house.

12. Make sure you don't leave your SAB to go grab something quick. If you have to leave your area, change your gloves when you come back. Touching a faucet or a doorknob or your phone.. you may as well run your hand in toilet water to clean it off.

13. Don't store contam jars near other projects.

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Re: Pf tek [Re: Mycologist217]
    #24015851 - 01/16/17 08:42 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)


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I found this in my journal if it helps any. It will help you transition to culture work and it's really hard to mess up jars in a SAB. It'll give you the practice and your Order of Things for when you're in there moving agar.

1. Fill jar with 50/50 brf up to the ring.

2. Smooth out the inner rim and remove nutrition before adding the verm layer. I use the 3 section paper towels and rip them in half, set them on a dry surface, and use one per jar. Don't cross contam, you could be smearing BRF from jar 1 to jar 2.

3. PC at 15 psi for 45 minutes (when the rocker starts, so should your timer).

4. Let them sit overnight to cool. Never remove the rocker until you're ready to load your still air box.

5. Lay a towel down on a table. Spray it with soapy water. Clean out your SAB with 71% ISO, using paper towels not a rag, do it again with soapy water, spray all 5 sides with soapy water. Placing the two open holes against the towel.

6. Unload your PC into your SAB. Your jars are only going to be briefly in the open air just set them in there. Unwrap foil, put in SAB. No need to wipe them down etc you're just adding work and contamination vectors. They are sterile when they come out of the PC.

6a. Wear gloves. Blue nitrile with iso. I usually just iso them once at the beginning of work. (A face mask helps especially if you have facial hair. A shower doesn't hurt. Scrub your arms like you're going into surgery. Rings and especially watches are contamination vectors.

7. Flame your needle outside your SAB, not near the arm holes. Do not wipe with alcohol; fire red hot will kill anything. Eject half a cc to cool the needle. Make sure your needle gets past the dry verm barrier. Inject a drop or two of water and slowly move around the jar (I hold it in my hand and turn it and keep my movements to a minimum).

8. Make sure you work mechanically with slow calculated movements.

9. Flame between jars, not each hole.

10. Use the right jars.

11. Try not to mess with them for two weeks. Trich and bacteria will show in 3 to 4 days, get those out of the house.

12. Make sure you don't leave your SAB to go grab something quick. If you have to leave your area, change your gloves when you come back. Touching a faucet or a doorknob or your phone.. you may as well run your hand in toilet water to clean it off.

13. Don't store contam jars near other projects.

^ just some notes laying around





I followed this route for the most part myself when I did my first grow, but I have some questions.

1. What's the point of hairnet/mask, shower, etc if the jars are in a glove box and you're not hanging over your jars/syringe when you place them in the glove box? Isn't that what the dry verm layer is for, to keep contaminants from falling into the substrate?

2. Also, you say bacteria/contaminants will show in a few days if infected. What would these look like? My jars are starting to show white mycelium after a week but don't see anything else that is suspicious.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Bluetang99]
    #24015923 - 01/16/17 09:07 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Still air box*

And it's not very necessary but the important part is getting in your groove for your SAB work. It really eliminates a lot of things that could go wrong. Or people who wipe jars with 70% iso right out of the PC, it makes no sense.

Really just practice I guess for your upcoming agar work. Might as well eliminate contamination vectors and get used to being in there and what you should/shouldn't be doing. Also, if they fail you know it's the syringes or you or something else.


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    #24015936 - 01/16/17 09:11 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Makes sense. I used one I made out of a cardboard box for now and hoping it went well. I see little spots of mycelium growing so I'm pretty excited.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Bluetang99]
    #24015947 - 01/16/17 09:16 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Nice. The best thing to have is patience. The furthest I've gotten in this hobby is doing cakes and culture work. The other half of my time is picking seasons. It's nice to have psilocybes on hand. Culture work is fascinating. I figure if I can do agar work then anyone can. It took me 9 transfers but I got spore germination on a map I picked up while out picking one day. Every step in this hobby is an achievement no matter which way you go. I'll tell you though it's awesome to see these guys flushing pounds a day, haha.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Bluetang99] * 2
    #24015948 - 01/16/17 09:17 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

consider making this thread into a grow log that you can continue to ask questions on and update on the progress of your grow. Don't be afraid to upload pictures to the shroomery and include them with your questions.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Mycologist217]
    #24015998 - 01/16/17 09:41 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

If I don't have a alcohol flame for my needle can I just use a lighter or a 99.9% Lysol alcohol swab


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24016005 - 01/16/17 09:42 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I use 99% iso alcohol no flame.

Most people think its taboo but i do it anywayz :shrug:


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    #24016019 - 01/16/17 09:48 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Will a Lysol swab work it says it kills 99.9% of bacteria


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    #24016027 - 01/16/17 09:52 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

alchol flame lamps are super easy to build....

just a cotton ball pulled through a hole stabbed into a garlic jar lid...filled with denatured alcohol...but 91% iso will work too.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24016028 - 01/16/17 09:52 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Yah should be fine.

It does carry some risk as flaming kills it all. But it should fine if u wipe with Lysol between each jar.


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    #24016050 - 01/16/17 10:01 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

So will the 99% alcohol be better than the Lysol swab


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24016073 - 01/16/17 10:13 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Not sure honesty. Probably about the same.


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    #24016074 - 01/16/17 10:13 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Do you just put the alcohol on a paper towel and then use the paper towel to wipe down the needle? Sorry I know it sounds dumb thanks


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24016075 - 01/16/17 10:13 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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So will the 99% alcohol be better than the Lysol swab




I used a lighter for mine and it seemed to work, but I was too lazy to build an alcohol burner.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24016079 - 01/16/17 10:16 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Do you just put the alcohol on a paper towel and then use the paper towel to wipe down the needle? Sorry I know it sounds dumb thanks




Yes.

I use lots of paper towels to prevent cross containmation between jars.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24016259 - 01/16/17 11:42 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

A wiped needle between jars means the nutritious BRF left behind is gonna end up in jar 8 and before you know it the DVB is compromised. The needle takes a beating there's all sorts of nooks and crannies. Buy a butane torch for 10 bucks and use it for weed or whatever. Or, even, the top of your stove. The solution that ejects when you flame it out is just as important.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Adden]
    #24016349 - 01/17/17 12:30 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

A butane torch will work to sterelize it? Like the one people use for dabs wax


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24016351 - 01/17/17 12:32 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

What do you mean the solution that ejects when I flame it is just as important I don't understand do I squeeze a little out after I flame it


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24016388 - 01/17/17 12:55 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Yes, sometimes I use my torch but alcohol is cheaper to burn.

The solution that is left in the needle with evaporate and squirt out when you flame it


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Mycologist217]
    #24016578 - 01/17/17 05:36 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Roger Rabbit recommends mixing the water with the vermiculite first and then adding the rice flour to avoid clumping and make sure that the water retaining verm gets a "coating of flour"...i've always done it his way and never been disappointed.



Wow I never knew.  No wonder I never liked this tek. Thanks 217:thumbup:


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Re: Pf tek [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #24017581 - 01/17/17 02:33 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

How much do I need to squirt out when I flame it? Is this really necessary can't I just wipe the needle with 99% iso after each inoculation


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24017728 - 01/17/17 03:34 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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    #24017739 - 01/17/17 03:41 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

If I just use 99% ISO and wipe between each jar will that be ok will it work out


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24017797 - 01/17/17 04:00 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

thats what i do, and i dont see infections. But its a more risky procedure.

I do it cause i like to gamble.


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    #24017828 - 01/17/17 04:11 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Pf tek [Re: amidogen]
    #24017843 - 01/17/17 04:20 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Will a butane torch work to sterelize


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    #24017896 - 01/17/17 04:45 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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    #24017921 - 01/17/17 04:56 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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thats what i do, and i dont see infections. But its a more risky procedure.

I do it cause i like to gamble.



Im surprised you still do brf?


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    #24017976 - 01/17/17 05:23 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Ok I will use a butane torch once I heat up the needle do I let it cool then inoculate or do I squirt a little out after hearing it up


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    #24018019 - 01/17/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Quote:

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thats what i do, and i dont see infections. But its a more risky procedure.

I do it cause i like to gamble.



Im surprised you still do brf?




Simple and fun :shrug:

Im ready to try grains again, i got my earmuffs for my annoying PC too :yesnod:


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Re: Pf tek [Re: amidogen]
    #24018097 - 01/17/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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If I just use 99% ISO and wipe between each jar will that be ok will it work out



You didn't read a fucking word I said did you? :facepalm: It's a good thing someone finally told you what you wanted to hear.




No kidding. Now we've got another one on our hands. :rolleyes:

Better learn to read and listen to people when you ask questions. Some people have done this thousands of times. It's taken tens of thousands of people and god knows how many thousands upon thousands of working hours to get this stuff delivered to your front door. Listen when people speak. We don't take time to spread misinformation. Our goal is to help you grow mushrooms. So pony up and get a torch and do it between jars or keep fucking up cakes and spending time/money until you eventually give up. Or do you want mushrooms out the ass?


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Re: Pf tek [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24018102 - 01/17/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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thats what i do, and i dont see infections. But its a more risky procedure.

I do it cause i like to gamble.



Im surprised you still do brf?




I still do BRF. It's fun and easy and good for culture work. With LI, jars are done in a week and fruited in ten days. The other half of my myco is culture work and picking. Not all of us do bulk, which is why we have an amazing dynamic of people who specialize or branch out in different areas. Some do "all", but there's really no end game to the hobby. Treat every project as if it's your first and give it your best.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Adden]
    #24018342 - 01/17/17 07:46 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Ok I will do a better job at listening can someone please answer this Ok I will use a butane torch once I heat up the needle do I let it cool then inoculate or do I squirt a little out after heating it up


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018344 - 01/17/17 07:48 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

heat and put it in hot the heat wont hurt it


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Re: Pf tek [Re: drakenov]
    #24018350 - 01/17/17 07:50 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Are you sure? Also they were saying something about squirting a little out when do I do this after I heat it? I'm sorry if I'm getting on people's nerves I'm a noob just want to do it correctly


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018353 - 01/17/17 07:52 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018358 - 01/17/17 07:54 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

When i used to flame sterilize, i like to squirt a little out right before injecting.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: amidogen]
    #24018361 - 01/17/17 07:54 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Ok I think I get it now when I push out a few drops I don't push them out into the jar correct like on a napkin or something


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018364 - 01/17/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Is it ok to stick the needle in while it is still hot or should I wait for it to cool down


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018375 - 01/17/17 07:59 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Pf tek [Re: amidogen]
    #24018392 - 01/17/17 08:04 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I haven't made a sab yet is it really important to do it in a sab because if it is I will make one


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018400 - 01/17/17 08:06 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018404 - 01/17/17 08:08 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Ok I think I get it now when I push out a few drops I don't push them out into the jar correct like on a napkin or something




Correct. just dont touch the paper to the needle.

I dont use a SAB, but you are supposed to.


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Re: Pf tek [Re: amidogen]
    #24018415 - 01/17/17 08:12 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Ok I'm going to definitely use a sab should I use doctor gloves when inoculating


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018447 - 01/17/17 08:20 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Pf tek [Re: amidogen]
    #24018464 - 01/17/17 08:27 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Awesome thanks :cool:


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Re: Pf tek [Re: Loveshroomz777]
    #24018492 - 01/17/17 08:39 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: Pf tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24019493 - 01/18/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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thats what i do, and i dont see infections. But its a more risky procedure.

I do it cause i like to gamble.



Im surprised you still do brf?




Simple and fun :shrug:

Im ready to try grains again, i got my earmuffs for my annoying PC too :yesnod:



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Re: Pf tek [Re: Mycologist217]
    #24019930 - 01/18/17 01:03 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Roger Rabbit recommends mixing the water with the vermiculite first and then adding the rice flour to avoid clumping and make sure that the water retaining verm gets a "coating of flour"...i've always done it his way and never been disappointed.




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