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OfflineNear Dylan
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On Living Conditions in Prison
    #24014939 - 01/16/17 02:48 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Prison is a place where all the baddies who didn't follow the rules go to rot with the other baddies.
The thing is, most of these baddies are eventually going to be back on the street and into the cold embrace of society.

The question is, what will make them a better person when they get out?
Which is more beneficial to society, having prisoners exist in very harsh living conditions, making them hate life in jail, or giving them a more lenient stay in the pen, more focused on rehabilitation than punishment.
Gimme an answer and why
Harsh vs. Easy Prison Conditions
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Re: On Living Conditions in Prison [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #24014954 - 01/16/17 02:52 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I never really hated being in jail.  The problem is the sanctions that effect your outside life.  Loss of property, financial losses through entire life, lack of being able to maintain outside obligations.

Everyone thinks that if jail is difficult and abusive it's punishment.  The real punishment is being pushed out of society for all of your life.  Society will never give you an equal opportunity.

Also abusive begets abuse.  Treat someone like shit and they will probably treat others like shit. 

It all equals a culture that admires crime and criminals.  Forces a person busted to either get ahead with crime or subside from crime and accept poverty.


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Re: On Living Conditions in Prison [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24014964 - 01/16/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Morel Guy said:
It all equals a culture that admires crime and criminals.  Forces a person busted to either get ahead with crime or subside from crime and accept poverty.




False dichotomy.  Plenty of people have restarted life after prison with a felony and/or sex offender charges by starting their own legitimate businesses.


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Re: On Living Conditions in Prison [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24014972 - 01/16/17 02:58 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

it's modern slavery, i doubt i'll ever pay off alll my debts to the government for possesion "crimes",

also don't see how surrounding people in harsh conditions with harsh people can help anything.


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Re: On Living Conditions in Prison [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24015082 - 01/16/17 03:35 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

It's how you look at it...what do you consider harsh conditions? I feel the rapists, murderers, and thieves live high on the proverbial hog inside (for what they deserve imo). I also feel that a lot of people in prison should not be there. So I say it depends on the crime.

I think one would also have to consider the general demographics of the prison populous. Many lived in poverty; so coming to a place where they can lounge around all day eating decent food, playing sports, and watching t.v. etc. is a large improvement of the living conditions they come from. Not much of a deterrent if you ask me, and for the ones that may find the living conditions too harsh, they like all living organisms adapt.


In summation I'm morally torn between inhumane punishment for what I consider to be the scum of the earth; and being a better human than them and treating them decently.


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Re: On Living Conditions in Prison [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24015121 - 01/16/17 03:46 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Morel Guy said:
Everyone thinks that if jail is difficult and abusive it's punishment.  The real punishment is being pushed out of society for all of your life.  Society will never give you an equal opportunity.

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Indeed. Many of my friends are felons. Some of them have bachelor's degrees and they cannot get a job.

You pay for your crime by fines and imprisonment, but when you get out, your life is nearly impossible to live.

That even goes for my friends who have felonies over 7 and 8 years old.

I think they should be expunged after 5-7 years.


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Re: On Living Conditions in Prison [Re: XUL]
    #24015404 - 01/16/17 05:52 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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XUL said:

I think they should be expunged after 5-7 years.



That's another interesting topic


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