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Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good.
#24013787 - 01/16/17 05:05 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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After 146 years.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2017/01/14/ringling-bros-circus-close-years/96608580/
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Ellenton, Fla. — After 146 years, the curtain is coming down on “The Greatest Show on Earth.” The owner of the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus told The Associated Press that the show will close forever in May.
The iconic American spectacle was felled by a variety of factors, company executives say. Declining attendance combined with high operating costs, along with changing public tastes and prolonged battles with animal rights groups all contributed to its demise.
“There isn’t any one thing,” said Kenneth Feld, chairman and CEO of Feld Entertainment. “This has been a very difficult decision for me and for the entire family.”
The company broke the news to circus employees Saturday night after shows in Orlando and Miami.
Ringling Bros. has two touring circuses this season and will perform 30 shows between now and May. Major stops include Atlanta, Washington, Philadelphia, Boston and Brooklyn. The final shows will be in Providence, Rhode Island, on May 7 and in Uniondale, New York, at the Nassau County Coliseum on May 21.
The circus, with its exotic animals, flashy costumes and death-defying acrobats, has been a staple of entertainment in the United States since the mid-1800s. Phineas Taylor Barnum made a traveling spectacle of animals and human oddities popular, while the five Ringling brothers performed juggling acts and skits from their home base in Wisconsin. Eventually, they merged and the modern circus was born. The sprawling troupes traveled around America by train, wowing audiences with the sheer scale of entertainment and exotic animals.
By midcentury, the circus was routine, wholesome family entertainment. But as the 20th century went on, kids became less and less enthralled. Movies, television, video games and the internet captured young minds. The circus didn’t have savvy product merchandising tie-ins or Saturday morning cartoons to shore up its image.
“The competitor in many ways is time,” said Feld, adding that transporting the show by rail and other circus quirks — such as providing a traveling school for performers’ children— are throwbacks to another era. “It’s a different model that we can’t see how it works in today’s world to justify and maintain an affordable ticket price. So you’ve got all these things working against it.”
The Feld family bought the Ringling circus in 1967. The show was just under 3 hours then. Today, the show is 2 hours and 7 minutes, with the longest segment — a tiger act — clocking in at 12 minutes.
“Try getting a 3- or 4-year-old today to sit for 12 minutes,” he said.
Feld and his daughter Juliette Feld, who is the company’s chief operating officer, acknowledged another reality that led to the closing, and it was the one thing that initially drew millions to the show: the animals. Ringling has been targeted by activists who say forcing animals to perform is cruel and unnecessary.
In May of 2016, after a long and costly legal battle, the company removed the elephants from the shows and sent the animals to live on a conservation farm in Central Florida. The animals had been the symbol of the circus since Barnum brought an Asian elephant named Jumbo to America in 1882. In 2014, Feld Entertainment won $25.2 million in settlements from groups including the Humane Society of the United States, ending a 14-year fight over allegations that circus employees mistreated elephants.
By the time the elephants were removed, public opinion had shifted somewhat. Los Angeles prohibited the use of bull-hooks by elephant trainers and handlers, as did Oakland, California. The city of Asheville, North Carolina nixed wild or exotic animals from performing in the municipally owned, 7,600-seat U.S. Cellular Center.
Attendance has been dropping for 10 years, said Juliette Feld, but when the elephants left, there was a “dramatic drop” in ticket sales. Paradoxically, while many said they didn’t want big animals to perform in circuses, many others refused to attend a circus without them.
“We know now that one of the major reasons people came to Ringling Bros. was getting to see elephants,” she said. “We stand by that decision. We know it was the right decision. This was what audiences wanted to see and it definitely played a major role.”
The Felds say their existing animals — lions, tigers, camels, donkeys, alpacas, kangaroos and llamas — will go to suitable homes. Juliette Feld says the company will continue operating the Center for Elephant Conservation.
Some 500 people perform and work on both touring shows. A handful will be placed in positions with the company’s other, profitable shows — it owns Monster Jam, Disney on Ice and Marvel Live, among other things — but most will be out of a job. Juliette Feld said the company will help employees with job placement and resumes. In some cases where a circus employee lives on the tour rail car (the circus travels by train), the company will also help with housing relocation.
Kenneth Feld became visibly emotional while discussing the decision with a reporter. He said over the next four months, fans will be able to say goodbye at the remaining shows.
In recent years, Ringling Bros. tried to remain relevant, hiring its first African American ringmaster, then its first female ringmaster, and also launching an interactive app. It added elements from its other, popular shows, such as motorbike daredevils and ice skaters. But it seemingly was no match for Pokemon Go and a generation of kids who desire familiar brands and YouTube celebrities.
“We tried all these different things to see what would work, and supported it with a lot of funding as well, and we weren’t successful in finding the solution,” said Kenneth Feld.
A win for the animals -- but you gotta feel a little bit for some of the performers.
This is all some of these people know. I mean this circus shit was literally their life...do a show, board the train and head to the next one. And you don't get into this shit by accident. It's not just a paycheck to these people. I'm pretty sure people don't find themselves in hard times and then are like, "ah fuck, I need a job...maybe I'll just bite the bullet and head down to the circus for a job".
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
#24013815 - 01/16/17 06:01 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Those poor performers! Where will i see tigers and lions do crazy shit now?! 
i wonder what the performers will do now....
Sucks cause there was a Ringling bros show recently and i missed it
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24013986 - 01/16/17 08:20 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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My brother says "good............fucking clowns"
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: psilly the kid]
#24014021 - 01/16/17 08:33 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Im just happy for the animals. Entertaining humans for 146 years.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: psilly the kid]
#24014221 - 01/16/17 10:10 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Herbologist]
#24014266 - 01/16/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Back 2005-2006 I dated Barnum's great great grandson in Fla. He was a real (circus) bear!
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#24014417 - 01/16/17 11:32 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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I grew up in their winter home. My buddy's dad was the catcher on the trapeze. He taught us hella gymnastic stuff. The Wallendas lived just down the street. And John Ringling disassembled a.Renaissance theatre in Italy and rebuilt it in Sarasota. + he had an awesome art museum.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: arago]
#24014889 - 01/16/17 02:21 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
#24014905 - 01/16/17 02:29 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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When I heard about this, I thought it was wonderful news. Too bad justice for the animal abuses will never be doled out, but it's nice to see everyone working for them out of a job and with limited skill sets making it difficult for them to find a good job elsewhere.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: abltsandwich]
#24014931 - 01/16/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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I don't feel like having animals perform is right, but I don't see why they can't head down to the nearest festival and pick up some really amazing humans.
I've seen spun out humans at festivals juggle like 20 LED balls at one time, I've seen people hooping with like ten different hoops all over their bodies, I've seen fire dancers building human pyramids and whipping balls of fire just inches from each other's faces...
There's plenty of amazing stuff mans can do that they could've replaced the animal cruelty with. 
I'm glad they're making sure the elephants and tigers and lions are happy where they go. Humans can volunteer to join the circus if you feel like that's your calling, but those poor animals didn't volunteer for shit.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#24014945 - 01/16/17 02:49 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Back 2005-2006 I dated Barnum's great great grandson in Fla. He was a real (circus) bear! 
Huh.... i always figured the circus family would be more of a family of twinks...
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#24014968 - 01/16/17 02:57 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Back 2005-2006 I dated Barnum's great great grandson in Fla. He was a real (circus) bear! 
Huh.... i always figured the circus family would be more of a family of twinks...
LOL, he isn't in or related to the circus, he is only related by blood. I think he is in real estate actually. He didn't get anything from the family. He built his own business. I asked him about it.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#24015022 - 01/16/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Now if we can shut down SeaWorld,watch "blackfish"
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#24015056 - 01/16/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Really sad to see that go...it is a piece of Americana. What exactly were they doing to the elephants that put all the tree huggers up in arms....the article says that they actually one the court case against the humane society.
I see no problem with using elephants that are born and raised in captivity to perform as long as they are treated ok....why is that any different than a field trial at a dog show? Just seems petty to me...fucking millennial hippies. ....at least they have their virtual reality games to play with.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: WeAreMushroom]
#24015069 - 01/16/17 03:32 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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I went to a few of their shows when i was a kid, twas pretty entertaining stuff from what i remember. Did feel bad for the animals tho even at that age and time. U could just see it in their eyes..
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#24015080 - 01/16/17 03:34 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Really sad to see that go...it is a piece of Americana. What exactly were they doing to the elephants that put all the tree huggers up in arms....the article says that they actually one the court case against the humane society.
I see no problem with using elephants that are born and raised in captivity to perform as long as they are treated ok....why is that any different than a field trial at a dog show? Just seems petty to me...fucking millennial hippies. ....at least they have their virtual reality games to play with.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: zZZz]
#24015094 - 01/16/17 03:38 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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zZZz said: I went to a few of their shows when i was a kid, twas pretty entertaining stuff from what i remember. Did feel bad for the animals tho even at that age and time. U could just see it in their eyes..

This. I saw Ringling Bros. Circus with my family when I was a kid. What really stood out to me was the clowns and the sad looks on the faces of the animals. I just got the vibe that they weren't enjoying the performance. 
Maybe I'm a pussy or whatever but it's what I remember about being at the circus..
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: 5150]
#24015107 - 01/16/17 03:42 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#24015146 - 01/16/17 03:54 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Really sad to see that go...it is a piece of Americana. What exactly were they doing to the elephants that put all the tree huggers up in arms....the article says that they actually one the court case against the humane society.
I see no problem with using elephants that are born and raised in captivity to perform as long as they are treated ok....why is that any different than a field trial at a dog show? Just seems petty to me...fucking millennial hippies. ....at least they have their virtual reality games to play with.
The "Tree Huggers" were probably up in arms over their less than perfect living conditions and training methods shown in some videos. It's not like that was stopping the show though, so your judgement is a bit misplaced in my mind.
People not buying tickets is what ended the show. If people stopped buying tickets because they didn't agree with the animal's living conditions, then so be it - that's their opinion of it and they voted with their wallets so to speak. Where were the people who didn't care about all that? Why weren't they buying tickets in droves?
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: PatrickKn]
#24015729 - 01/16/17 07:55 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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It could be the animal rights but i think its also just the changing times with technology.
Technology these days is incredible. And in comparsion, the circus seems kinda outdated in way.
I mean even Circus De Solie uses more technology than the Ringling bros.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24015870 - 01/16/17 08:47 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Yeah that's what I was gonna say. Animals aside there's actually alot of shows one can see that has crazy human acrobats and machines and fire and flare.
Don't think the tree hugging hippies killed it tho. I think the show had been going downhill since the tiger killed that dude at the other show. I mean I think most of us are for seeing well trained animals, wild or not, do tricks. I don't think any of us wants our kid to watch a man get attacked and killed for playing with a wild animal.
The article implied there was no real competition and that's simply not true. There may not be a traveling show to that extent and with that kind of history but it definitely wasn't the only show that featured "circus tricks"
If the problem really was all "these damn kids with their short attention spans and their video games" then other shows like Circus De Solie would be going out of business too.
To be honest, even if they did travel by train, most of their expenses and animal welfare issues was related to traveling across the country and doing a show every week. They might have lived on if they decided to settle down in one city.
Meh. Being said I am a bit sad I won't be able to see it now.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24016062 - 01/16/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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It is interesting to think about other forms of entertainment like plays and operas. Old as fuck but still around.
I guess they stand the test of time...
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the hippies killed it, they also killed seaworld
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Most of those things are still around because they're generally cheap. Though I'm sure alot have of the smaller ones have also lost alot of business in recent years.
In the last 30 years one of my city's last theaters got shut down and renovated into a concert venue. We still have a living theater of the performing arts. One. Though it was purchased and nearly rebuilt by one of these super huge monopoly companies. All the other small plays are basically stuck to schools. Which is a bit sad. But honestly they just can't really compete with the cheap convenience of technology.. The best the city has to offer, I can see a million and a half things better tonight on my phone.
However there is a certain charm about seeing these things in person. So I think performing arts, big and small, will live on for so long as mankind does. Alot of it is just in a weird limbo right now trying to adapt and cope. In big cities like NYC and DC they will continue to thrive. Everywhere else may have to downgrade and settle more and more as the years go by but even the small acts will live on in the streets if nothing else. And smart businesses with the space will encourage them to. Comedians, musicians, magicians, dancers, fire eaters, and a weird hodgepodge variety of artists I've seen in the streets, on beaches, in clubs, in bars, and even in little shops. Like someone said on page one I've even met very talented performers at concerts and festivals.
We will never stop being fascinated in what our kin can do and because of that even if the traditional view of the circus may be dying the spirit of the circus will continue to live on.
Like I said in my last post, I think they had a chance to keep going if they'd just been willing to drop a bit of tradition. But when you're talking about parent companies of that size it's easy to just cut off your biggest expense rather than trying to salvage what's seen as a sinking boat. If anyone should be blamed it should be them. They gave up. They didn't even try to sell the show. They just threw in the towel for themselves, the fans, and the employees.
All it would have taken is a little swallowed pride and willingness to compromise...
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the hippies killed it, they also killed seaworld
The economy and the local competition killed seaworld. Not very many people have the $$ to make a trip to Florida to Orlando studios, Disney world, AND sea world
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LogicaL Chaos said: It could be the animal rights but i think its also just the changing times with technology.
Technology these days is incredible. And in comparsion, the circus seems kinda outdated in way.
Yeah I agree. I think this was the biggest factor. Kids today are different. The majority, just give them a smart phone along with some wifi and they're good to go. Kids today probably think the circus is lame. And boring. Kids today be like, "why go to the circus when I can just watch some circus videos on Youtube".
Nerd ass hippies & SJW millennials will probably see this as their victory, like they're the ones who shut the shit down, but if the money was still coming in and there was a worthwhile demand for the circus -- it would still be going. Period. Money trumps all. There could be a thousand PETA motherfuckers out in the parking lots in front of every circus show, but as long as the circus was making money then it wouldn't matter.
And it's not PETA & hippies protesting about animals that caused profits to dwindle...it's that today's generation isn't about some circus shit. It's that simple.
My nieces & nephews are perfect examples. If you asked them to choose between
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b) staying home with their phones and satellite TV
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CookieCrumbs said: Don't think the tree hugging hippies killed it tho
the hippies killed it, they also killed seaworld
The economy and the local competition killed seaworld. Not very many people have the $$ to make a trip to Florida to Orlando studios, Disney world, AND sea world
obama saved the economy single handedly, koods even said so so that clearly cannot be the case
peta caused problems about the orcas, dragged them into court, once the orcas were gone there was no a decline in the attendance, just like the circus, once the elephants were gone no one cared for the circus. yes, there were declines in attendance to once the big attractions are no longer available no one wants to go so it causes attendance to plummet
watch what happens, they still have the orca shows for a short period
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
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wow thats pretty lame 
im pretty sure i went to see them once as a kid
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LogicaL Chaos said: It could be the animal rights but i think its also just the changing times with technology.
Technology these days is incredible. And in comparsion, the circus seems kinda outdated in way.
Yeah I agree. I think this was the biggest factor. Kids today are different. The majority, just give them a smart phone along with some wifi and they're good to go. Kids today probably think the circus is lame. And boring. Kids today be like, "why go to the circus when I can just watch some circus videos on Youtube".
Nerd ass hippies & SJW millennials will probably see this as their victory, like they're the ones who shut the shit down, but if the money was still coming in and there was a worthwhile demand for the circus -- it would still be going. Period. Money trumps all. There could be a thousand PETA motherfuckers out in the parking lots in front of every circus show, but as long as the circus was making money then it wouldn't matter.
And it's not PETA & hippies protesting about animals that caused profits to dwindle...it's that today's generation isn't about some circus shit. It's that simple.
My nieces & nephews are perfect examples. If you asked them to choose between
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b) staying home with their phones and satellite TV
they're gonna pick choice B every day of the week
are you speaking for them or are they speaking for themselves, I took my daughter to the circus, we even skipped school for it. of course she was only 6 so the circus was a pretty good proposition... and as crazy as it sounds, they even wanted to go to the rodeo. we cheered for the bulls because the cowboys sucked
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im pretty sure i went to see them once as a kid
I remember my first trip to the circus. I met Emmett Kelley
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Technology these days is incredible. And in comparsion, the circus seems kinda outdated in way.
Yeah I agree. I think this was the biggest factor. Kids today are different. The majority, just give them a smart phone along with some wifi and they're good to go. Kids today probably think the circus is lame. And boring. Kids today be like, "why go to the circus when I can just watch some circus videos on Youtube".
Nerd ass hippies & SJW millennials will probably see this as their victory, like they're the ones who shut the shit down, but if the money was still coming in and there was a worthwhile demand for the circus -- it would still be going. Period. Money trumps all. There could be a thousand PETA motherfuckers out in the parking lots in front of every circus show, but as long as the circus was making money then it wouldn't matter.
And it's not PETA & hippies protesting about animals that caused profits to dwindle...it's that today's generation isn't about some circus shit. It's that simple.
My nieces & nephews are perfect examples. If you asked them to choose between
a) a day at the circus
and
b) staying home with their phones and satellite TV
they're gonna pick choice B every day of the week
are you speaking for them or are they speaking for themselves, I took my daughter to the circus, we even skipped school for it. of course she was only 6 so the circus was a pretty good proposition... and as crazy as it sounds, they even wanted to go to the rodeo. we cheered for the bulls because the cowboys sucked
There's always exceptions, I'm sure there are a lot of kids that would still enjoy it -- but profits, according to the articles I read, have been dwindling sharply for something like 15 to 20 years now. And to me, it has very little to do with protesters. The circus is geared towards kids, and we know that kids could give a fuck about some social issues that surround the circus. I mean sure you'll have the rare parent here and there that would refuse to take their kids to the circus because they're against it, but for the most part, if the kids really wanted to go, the parents will take them.
But it's clear that for the most part, this generation of kids is interested in other shit now. Now they got everything at the touch of their fingertips...if they wanna see animals, or animals doing tricks, they can just see it online. Me and you both know that it's not the same thing...but to a lot of kids today, they feel like it basically is.
There were some quotes that I read in the articles from performers who even said that, sadly, they just can't compete with the internet/video games/television anymore.
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im pretty sure i went to see them once as a kid
I remember my first trip to the circus. I met Emmett Kelley
My pops has an Emmett Kelly autograph somewhere. He was at a convention that my dad was at.
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they were in a decline but it didnt fall sharply until the elephants were gone
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they were in a decline but it didnt fall sharply until the elephants were gone
Good point. I heard a little bit about this...so a few years back they decided to eliminate the elephants from their shows? Why? Was it solely because of activists?
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
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The elephants maybe were the turning point then...
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Really sad to see this happen.
I'm curious when the tree huggers are gonna grow a pair and go after the unfair treatment of police k9's?
Yeah searching for drugs in general is fucked up, but using a dog to sniff them out? Not cruel to the animal.
Searching for bodies? Ok by me.
Sending a dog into attack someone? Because you're to chickenshit even with a badge and gun and the most protected gang in the nation, to do it yourself? Fuck that.
That's a victory I'd actually like to see.
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The biggest reason they were fought so hard on the elephants is because other circuses abused the hell out of them and in more than one case they snapped and tried to kill people.
I think the modern pressure of safety is what killed the animal acts. Sea world too had more than a few instances of orcas hurting or even killing people. During live shows in some cases. And again no one wants to take their kid to see a person get mauled.
As for what kids actually want, if their parents haven't brainwashed them with videogames and ...videos, well any kid that is actually a kid and not an animated doll would love to see animals do tricks and people in costumes do stunts. They may not want to sit through all the prep time but let's be honest here, no one does.
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I'm curious when the tree huggers are gonna grow a pair and go after the unfair treatment of police k9's?
Yeah searching for drugs in general is fucked up, but using a dog to sniff them out? Not cruel to the animal.
Searching for bodies? Ok by me.
Sending a dog into attack someone? Because you're to chickenshit even with a badge and gun and the most protected gang in the nation, to do it yourself? Fuck that.
That's a victory I'd actually like to see.
Well we can't sniff out drugs or people. As many as they hurt or get in trouble dogs trained in this manner rescue hundreds of people every year. They're damn good at it and any PETA shitter should get shut up right quick if they go that route.
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I suppose when you've seen one lion catch an elephant, you've seen a maul.
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they were in a decline but it didnt fall sharply until the elephants were gone
Good point. I heard a little bit about this...so a few years back they decided to eliminate the elephants from their shows? Why? Was it solely because of activists?
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
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LuSiD enthusiast said: Really sad to see this happen.
I'm curious when the tree huggers are gonna grow a pair and go after the unfair treatment of police k9's?
Yeah searching for drugs in general is fucked up, but using a dog to sniff them out? Not cruel to the animal.
Searching for bodies? Ok by me.
Sending a dog into attack someone? Because you're to chickenshit even with a badge and gun and the most protected gang in the nation, to do it yourself? Fuck that.
That's a victory I'd actually like to see.
given that the numerous government agencies enjoy kowtowing to liberal nutcases I think this is quite worthy of a few hashtags on facebook, kinda need to prod both the tree huggers and the cop supporters, the latter by making posts in pro cop groups about how the animals rights nutters are trying to remove police dogs from the departments because the dogs are addicted to drugs, they're frequently put in harms way and it's just cruel treatment of animals
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they were in a decline but it didnt fall sharply until the elephants were gone
Good point. I heard a little bit about this...so a few years back they decided to eliminate the elephants from their shows? Why? Was it solely because of activists?
yes.
Lol so were they just protesting for the elephants? What about the lions and monkeys and shit?
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#OtherAnimalLivesMatter
they 'protested' through lawsuits, 14 years of it claiming abuse of the asian elephants and even though Feld entertainment won the lawsuits they were appealed again and again, they finally managed to win the last one with a $16mil settlement but winning doesnt mean you get paid and they're still out the millions they've paid to defend themselves and to avoid future lawsuits for the same bullshit they sent the elephants to a sanctuary in florida. the negative press among other things is a major reason the ticket sales have started dropping, not because the attention span of an 8 year old wont exceed 3 minutes, kids arent buying tickets and their parents are the ones that read the news
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I haven't seen a wringling bros commercial in 15 years. I still say they just gave up.
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just because you havent seen one doesnt mean they werent produced and given that they were dumping millions into their legal defense based on hippietards filing frivolous lawsuits claiming animal abuse, I'm sure that cut into their advertising budget
not everything is a huge money maker
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I can understand that. But I mean I'm sure some people weren't even aware that they were still touring.
They made some bad decisions. It's not all their fault, not nearly, but as times change you either change with them or fade away. Like I said before they coulda saved loads of money, and likely had a steady flow of $ if they had just settled down in one big city. That would have put an end to a tradition but it woulda been worth the sacrifice.
The economy hurt them too tho. It wasn't till this past year that travel has been at the levels it was prior to the recession. And while touring may have helped them reach more people, their biggest audience isn't city folk in their own hometown, least not anymore. It's tourists and people that live around the cities in the suburbs and rural areas.
I think they could have lived on if they just restructured and settled just outside of a big city that already has decent tourism.
But then again to survive that decision should have been made at least a decade ago.
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they 'protested' through lawsuits, 14 years of it claiming abuse of the asian elephants and even though Feld entertainment won the lawsuits they were appealed again and again, they finally managed to win the last one with a $16mil settlement but winning doesnt mean you get paid and they're still out the millions they've paid to defend themselves and to avoid future lawsuits for the same bullshit they sent the elephants to a sanctuary in florida. the negative press among other things is a major reason the ticket sales have started dropping, not because the attention span of an 8 year old wont exceed 3 minutes, kids arent buying tickets and their parents are the ones that read the news
This is exactly right....kids don't buy the tickets to the circus...their parents do.
Lol at first entertainer you saw at the circus....mine was the guy that played sergeant Carter on Gomer Pyle...he rode around the circus tent in a jeep wily....good memories.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
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I just saw a bizzare commercial.
It was a commercial for Halos. Ya know those small nectarine fruits u buy at the supermarket.
Anyway, in the commercial, there was a whole scene of inside a big circus tent. Trapezee performers, elephants, high wire. The whole bang.
At the end, theres a young girl who picks up a Halo, peels it and eats then text comes up and says "Good choice, kid". LOL what...
Very strange commercial. I didnt hear the audio, since i muted it, so cant ponder that.
I just wonder if it was a nod to the Ringling Bros...
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there are people that travel months ahead of the circus putting coupons in the hands of convenience store owners, restaurants and the chamber of commerce in outlying areas as well as the large cities, they place billboards and TV spots, just because you dont notice doesnt mean that millions of others havent seen it
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It's not all their fault, not nearly, but as times change you either change with them or fade away. Like I said before they coulda saved loads of money, and likely had a steady flow of $ if they had just settled down in one big city. That would have put an end to a tradition but it woulda been worth the sacrifice.
The economy hurt them too tho. It wasn't till this past year that travel has been at the levels it was prior to the recession. And while touring may have helped them reach more people, their biggest audience isn't city folk in their own hometown, least not anymore. It's tourists and people that live around the cities in the suburbs and rural areas.
I think they could have lived on if they just restructured and settled just outside of a big city that already has decent tourism.
how many stationary circuses are you aware of? I mean really, is there one in your town? the point behind a traveling circus is the concept that it comes to your town, it's there a few weeks and then it moves to another town. you stated that people are just now starting to get out and drive again because travel has been too costly due to the recession, do you somehow think that if they settled in one spot in say Orlando Fla, a huge tourist center because of disney/epcot/everything, that that would have encouraged millions of people each year to drive a thousand miles to go to the circus during the recession?
I personally wouldnt drive 500 miles to go see the circus even if I made fucktons of money and if gas was $1/gallon again, no, I'd see epcot, disney and maybe drive to the beach. if the circus doesnt travel it dies fast because the locals will have seen it a dozen times and after that there's no point. you cannot park a circus and expect it to survive any period of time
let me ask, how many times have you been to your county fair in a single week?
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it lasted 12 years and it offered a lot more than just a performance
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the circus shoulda stepped up their game
bring the circus into the modern era
more explosions
chick performers in really skimpy outfits
rappers with gold chains hanging down to their knees rapping over circus tricks
toss a PETA member into a lion cage on every show
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they 'protested' through lawsuits, 14 years of it claiming abuse of the asian elephants and even though Feld entertainment won the lawsuits they were appealed again and again, they finally managed to win the last one with a $16mil settlement but winning doesnt mean you get paid and they're still out the millions they've paid to defend themselves and to avoid future lawsuits for the same bullshit they sent the elephants to a sanctuary in florida. the negative press among other things is a major reason the ticket sales have started dropping, not because the attention span of an 8 year old wont exceed 3 minutes, kids arent buying tickets and their parents are the ones that read the news
This is exactly right....kids don't buy the tickets to the circus...their parents do.
Lol at first entertainer you saw at the circus....mine was the guy that played sergeant Carter on Gomer Pyle...he rode around the circus tent in a jeep wily....good memories.
Emmett Kelley was an icon for the circus, he is probably one of the two most famous clowns in the world, you may not even be aware of it but you have probably seen thousands of tributes to Emmett Kelley in your lifetime. I only remember it because my mother made such a bid deal of it at the time

Oleg Popov is the second most famous clown, he's more for the european circuses
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Niffla said: the circus shoulda stepped up their game
bring the circus into the modern era
more explosions
chick performers in really skimpy outfits
rappers with gold chains hanging down to their knees rapping over circus tricks
toss a PETA member into a lion cage on every show
you know shit like that
Fuck ya dood!
Its 2017, time to up it a notch!
100% agree. Althought the PETA thing is lil fucked up.
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#24019788 - 01/18/17 11:59 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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No I can't think of a full out circus that is stationary, but most similar attractions, especially with animals, are more or less settled by a big city. Being stationary allows permanent attractions and therefore more options.
There are similar shows in DC, NY, Vegas, LA, PA, Miami, and other big cities that I can't think of or don't care about. And they survive because they don't rush off to a new city every few weeks and actually take time to properly care for their animals, employees, and stage attractions.
There are lightweight ones that consist of maybe 2 dozen people if that that rely almost entirely on human talent and travel from town to town.
So that's why I say they just gave up. They could have downsized and learned from what other modern successful businesses are doing but they didn't. They cried about PETA and spoiled kids and gave up.
And I know you just wanna blame the PETA hippies too pris but seriously go and look at how much $$ shows like cirque dus soleil and 'safari' type zoos make. Really if they could have settled down and combined the 2 concepts with the animals, talent, and props they already had they would have cut their losses and probably eventually started making good profit again.
The owners would rather have the show die than evolve and that's what happened.
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