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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Adden]
    #24016748 - 01/17/17 08:32 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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I suppose when you've seen one lion catch an elephant, you've seen a maul.




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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Adden] * 1
    #24016766 - 01/17/17 08:39 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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I suppose when you've seen one lion catch an elephant, you've seen a maul.




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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
    #24016773 - 01/17/17 08:43 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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There's always exceptions, I'm sure there are a lot of kids that would still enjoy it -- but profits, according to the articles I read, have been dwindling  sharply for something like 15 to 20 years now.





they were in a decline but it didnt fall sharply until the elephants were gone




Good point. I heard a little bit about this...so a few years back they decided to eliminate the elephants from their shows? Why? Was it solely because of activists?





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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24016780 - 01/17/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #24016788 - 01/17/17 08:48 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Really sad to see this happen.

I'm curious when the tree huggers are gonna grow a pair and go after the unfair treatment of police k9's?

Yeah searching for drugs in general is fucked up, but using a dog to sniff them out? Not cruel to the animal.

Searching for bodies? Ok by me.

Sending a dog into attack someone? Because you're  to chickenshit even with a badge and gun and the most protected gang in the nation, to do it yourself? Fuck that.

That's a victory I'd actually like to see.





given that the numerous government agencies enjoy kowtowing to liberal nutcases I
think this is quite worthy of a few hashtags on facebook, kinda need to prod both
the tree huggers and the cop supporters, the latter by making posts in pro cop
groups about how the animals rights nutters are trying to remove police dogs from
the departments because the dogs are addicted to drugs, they're frequently put in
harms way and it's just cruel treatment of animals


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24016794 - 01/17/17 08:52 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Niffla said:
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Niffla said:
There's always exceptions, I'm sure there are a lot of kids that would still enjoy it -- but profits, according to the articles I read, have been dwindling  sharply for something like 15 to 20 years now.





they were in a decline but it didnt fall sharply until the elephants were gone




Good point. I heard a little bit about this...so a few years back they decided to eliminate the elephants from their shows? Why? Was it solely because of activists?





yes.




Lol so were they just protesting for the elephants? What about the lions and monkeys and shit?

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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
    #24016820 - 01/17/17 09:07 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Lol so were they just protesting for the elephants? What about the lions and monkeys and shit?

#OtherAnimalLivesMatter





they 'protested' through lawsuits, 14 years of it claiming abuse of the asian
elephants and even though Feld entertainment won the lawsuits they were appealed
again and again, they finally managed to win the last one with a $16mil settlement
but winning doesnt mean you get paid and they're still out the millions they've
paid to defend themselves and to avoid future lawsuits for the same bullshit they
sent the elephants to a sanctuary in florida. the negative press among other
things is a major reason the ticket sales have started dropping, not because the
attention span of an 8 year old wont exceed 3 minutes, kids arent buying tickets
and their parents are the ones that read the news


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24016844 - 01/17/17 09:22 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I haven't seen a wringling bros commercial in 15 years. I still say they just gave up.


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24017015 - 01/17/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

just because you havent seen one doesnt mean they werent produced and given
that they were dumping millions into their legal defense based on hippietards
filing frivolous lawsuits claiming animal abuse, I'm sure that cut into their
advertising budget

not everything is a huge money maker


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24017045 - 01/17/17 10:49 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I can understand that. But I mean I'm sure some people weren't even aware that they were still touring.

They made some bad decisions. It's not all their fault, not nearly, but as times change you either change with them or fade away. Like I said before they coulda saved loads of money, and likely had a steady flow of $ if they had just settled down in one big city. That would have put an end to a tradition but it woulda been worth the sacrifice.

The economy hurt them too tho. It wasn't till this past year that travel has been at the levels it was prior to the recession. And while touring may have helped them reach more people, their biggest audience isn't city folk in their own hometown, least not anymore. It's tourists and people that live around the cities in the suburbs and rural areas.

I think they could have lived on if they just restructured and settled just outside of a big city that already has decent tourism.

But then again to survive that decision should have been made at least a decade ago.


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24017049 - 01/17/17 10:51 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Niffla said:
Lol so were they just protesting for the elephants? What about the lions and monkeys and shit?

#OtherAnimalLivesMatter





they 'protested' through lawsuits, 14 years of it claiming abuse of the asian
elephants and even though Feld entertainment won the lawsuits they were appealed
again and again, they finally managed to win the last one with a $16mil settlement
but winning doesnt mean you get paid and they're still out the millions they've
paid to defend themselves and to avoid future lawsuits for the same bullshit they
sent the elephants to a sanctuary in florida. the negative press among other
things is a major reason the ticket sales have started dropping, not because the
attention span of an 8 year old wont exceed 3 minutes, kids arent buying tickets
and their parents are the ones that read the news



This is exactly right....kids don't buy the tickets to the circus...their parents do.

Lol at first entertainer you saw at the circus....mine was the guy that played sergeant Carter on Gomer Pyle...he rode around the circus tent in a jeep wily....good memories.


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
    #24018646 - 01/17/17 10:02 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I just saw a bizzare commercial.

It was a commercial for Halos. Ya know those small nectarine fruits u buy at the supermarket.

Anyway, in the commercial, there was a whole scene of inside a big circus tent. Trapezee performers, elephants, high wire. The whole bang.

At the end, theres a young girl who picks up a Halo, peels it and eats then text comes up and says "Good choice, kid". LOL what...

Very strange commercial. I didnt hear the audio, since i muted it, so cant ponder that.

I just wonder if it was a nod to the Ringling Bros...


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24018732 - 01/17/17 10:53 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
I can understand that. But I mean I'm sure some people weren't even aware that they were still touring.




there are people that travel months ahead of the circus putting coupons in the
hands of convenience store owners, restaurants and the chamber of commerce in
outlying areas as well as the large cities, they place billboards and TV spots,
just because you dont notice doesnt mean that millions of others havent seen it

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They made some bad decisions.




what were those bad decisions?


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It's not all their fault, not nearly, but as times change you either change with them or fade away. Like I said before they coulda saved loads of money, and likely had a steady flow of $ if they had just settled down in one big city. That would have put an end to a tradition but it woulda been worth the sacrifice.

The economy hurt them too tho. It wasn't till this past year that travel has been at the levels it was prior to the recession. And while touring may have helped them reach more people, their biggest audience isn't city folk in their own hometown, least not anymore. It's tourists and people that live around the cities in the suburbs and rural areas.

I think they could have lived on if they just restructured and settled just outside of a big city that already has decent tourism.






how many stationary circuses are you aware of? I mean really, is there one in your
town? the point behind a traveling circus is the concept that it comes to your
town, it's there a few weeks and then it moves to another town. you stated that
people are just now starting to get out and drive again because travel has been
too costly due to the recession, do you somehow think that if they settled in one
spot in say Orlando Fla, a huge tourist center because of disney/epcot/everything,
that that would have encouraged millions of people each year to drive a thousand
miles to go to the circus during the recession?


I personally wouldnt drive 500 miles to go see the circus even if I made fucktons
of money and if gas was $1/gallon again, no, I'd see epcot, disney and maybe drive
to the beach. if the circus doesnt travel it dies fast because the locals will
have seen it a dozen times and after that there's no point. you cannot park a
circus and expect it to survive any period of time

let me ask, how many times have you been to your county fair in a single week?

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But then again to survive that decision should have been made at least a decade ago.




it lasted 12 years and it offered a lot more than just a performance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circus_World_(theme_park)


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #24018740 - 01/17/17 10:58 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

the circus shoulda stepped up their game

bring the circus into the modern era

more explosions

chick performers in really skimpy outfits

rappers with gold chains hanging down to their knees rapping over circus tricks

toss a PETA member into a lion cage on every show

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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24018745 - 01/17/17 11:01 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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Niffla said:
Lol so were they just protesting for the elephants? What about the lions and monkeys and shit?

#OtherAnimalLivesMatter





they 'protested' through lawsuits, 14 years of it claiming abuse of the asian
elephants and even though Feld entertainment won the lawsuits they were appealed
again and again, they finally managed to win the last one with a $16mil settlement
but winning doesnt mean you get paid and they're still out the millions they've
paid to defend themselves and to avoid future lawsuits for the same bullshit they
sent the elephants to a sanctuary in florida. the negative press among other
things is a major reason the ticket sales have started dropping, not because the
attention span of an 8 year old wont exceed 3 minutes, kids arent buying tickets
and their parents are the ones that read the news



This is exactly right....kids don't buy the tickets to the circus...their parents do.

Lol at first entertainer you saw at the circus....mine was the guy that played sergeant Carter on Gomer Pyle...he rode around the circus tent in a jeep wily....good memories.





Emmett Kelley was an icon for the circus, he is probably one of the two most
famous clowns in the world, you may not even be aware of it but you have probably
seen thousands of tributes to Emmett Kelley in your lifetime. I only remember it
because my mother made such a bid deal of it at the time




Oleg Popov is the second most famous clown, he's more for the european circuses



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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #24018751 - 01/17/17 11:06 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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the circus shoulda stepped up their game

toss a PETA member into a lion cage on every show





I agree with this


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24019504 - 01/18/17 09:53 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
    #24019710 - 01/18/17 11:28 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Niffla said:
the circus shoulda stepped up their game

bring the circus into the modern era

more explosions

chick performers in really skimpy outfits

rappers with gold chains hanging down to their knees rapping over circus tricks

toss a PETA member into a lion cage on every show

you know shit like that




Fuck ya dood!

Its 2017, time to up it a notch!

100% agree. Althought the PETA thing is lil fucked up.


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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24019788 - 01/18/17 11:59 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

No I can't think of a full out circus that is stationary, but most similar attractions, especially with animals, are more or less settled by a big city. Being stationary allows permanent attractions and therefore more options.

There are similar shows in DC, NY, Vegas, LA, PA, Miami, and other big cities that I can't think of or don't care about. And they survive because they don't rush off to a new city every few weeks and actually take time to properly care for their animals, employees, and stage attractions.

There are lightweight ones that consist of maybe 2 dozen people if that that rely almost entirely on human talent and travel from town to town.



So that's why I say they just gave up. They could have downsized and learned from what other modern successful businesses are doing but they didn't. They cried about PETA and spoiled kids and gave up.


And I know you just wanna blame the PETA hippies too pris but seriously go and look at how much $$ shows like cirque dus soleil and 'safari' type zoos make. Really if they could have settled down and combined the 2 concepts with the animals, talent, and props they already had they would have cut their losses and probably eventually started making good profit again.

The owners would rather have the show die than evolve and that's what happened.


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