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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: PatrickKn]
#24015729 - 01/16/17 07:55 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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It could be the animal rights but i think its also just the changing times with technology.
Technology these days is incredible. And in comparsion, the circus seems kinda outdated in way.
I mean even Circus De Solie uses more technology than the Ringling bros.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24015870 - 01/16/17 08:47 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Yeah that's what I was gonna say. Animals aside there's actually alot of shows one can see that has crazy human acrobats and machines and fire and flare.
Don't think the tree hugging hippies killed it tho. I think the show had been going downhill since the tiger killed that dude at the other show. I mean I think most of us are for seeing well trained animals, wild or not, do tricks. I don't think any of us wants our kid to watch a man get attacked and killed for playing with a wild animal.
The article implied there was no real competition and that's simply not true. There may not be a traveling show to that extent and with that kind of history but it definitely wasn't the only show that featured "circus tricks"
If the problem really was all "these damn kids with their short attention spans and their video games" then other shows like Circus De Solie would be going out of business too.
To be honest, even if they did travel by train, most of their expenses and animal welfare issues was related to traveling across the country and doing a show every week. They might have lived on if they decided to settle down in one city.
Meh. Being said I am a bit sad I won't be able to see it now.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24016062 - 01/16/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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It is interesting to think about other forms of entertainment like plays and operas. Old as fuck but still around.
I guess they stand the test of time...
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24016140 - 01/16/17 10:49 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Don't think the tree hugging hippies killed it tho
the hippies killed it, they also killed seaworld
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#24016148 - 01/16/17 10:53 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Most of those things are still around because they're generally cheap. Though I'm sure alot have of the smaller ones have also lost alot of business in recent years.
In the last 30 years one of my city's last theaters got shut down and renovated into a concert venue. We still have a living theater of the performing arts. One. Though it was purchased and nearly rebuilt by one of these super huge monopoly companies. All the other small plays are basically stuck to schools. Which is a bit sad. But honestly they just can't really compete with the cheap convenience of technology.. The best the city has to offer, I can see a million and a half things better tonight on my phone.
However there is a certain charm about seeing these things in person. So I think performing arts, big and small, will live on for so long as mankind does. Alot of it is just in a weird limbo right now trying to adapt and cope. In big cities like NYC and DC they will continue to thrive. Everywhere else may have to downgrade and settle more and more as the years go by but even the small acts will live on in the streets if nothing else. And smart businesses with the space will encourage them to. Comedians, musicians, magicians, dancers, fire eaters, and a weird hodgepodge variety of artists I've seen in the streets, on beaches, in clubs, in bars, and even in little shops. Like someone said on page one I've even met very talented performers at concerts and festivals.
We will never stop being fascinated in what our kin can do and because of that even if the traditional view of the circus may be dying the spirit of the circus will continue to live on.
Like I said in my last post, I think they had a chance to keep going if they'd just been willing to drop a bit of tradition. But when you're talking about parent companies of that size it's easy to just cut off your biggest expense rather than trying to salvage what's seen as a sinking boat. If anyone should be blamed it should be them. They gave up. They didn't even try to sell the show. They just threw in the towel for themselves, the fans, and the employees.
All it would have taken is a little swallowed pride and willingness to compromise...
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#24016150 - 01/16/17 10:55 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Don't think the tree hugging hippies killed it tho
the hippies killed it, they also killed seaworld
The economy and the local competition killed seaworld. Not very many people have the $$ to make a trip to Florida to Orlando studios, Disney world, AND sea world
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#24016167 - 01/16/17 11:02 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: It could be the animal rights but i think its also just the changing times with technology.
Technology these days is incredible. And in comparsion, the circus seems kinda outdated in way.
Yeah I agree. I think this was the biggest factor. Kids today are different. The majority, just give them a smart phone along with some wifi and they're good to go. Kids today probably think the circus is lame. And boring. Kids today be like, "why go to the circus when I can just watch some circus videos on Youtube".
Nerd ass hippies & SJW millennials will probably see this as their victory, like they're the ones who shut the shit down, but if the money was still coming in and there was a worthwhile demand for the circus -- it would still be going. Period. Money trumps all. There could be a thousand PETA motherfuckers out in the parking lots in front of every circus show, but as long as the circus was making money then it wouldn't matter.
And it's not PETA & hippies protesting about animals that caused profits to dwindle...it's that today's generation isn't about some circus shit. It's that simple.
My nieces & nephews are perfect examples. If you asked them to choose between
a) a day at the circus
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b) staying home with their phones and satellite TV
they're gonna pick choice B every day of the week
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24016176 - 01/16/17 11:04 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Don't think the tree hugging hippies killed it tho
the hippies killed it, they also killed seaworld
The economy and the local competition killed seaworld. Not very many people have the $$ to make a trip to Florida to Orlando studios, Disney world, AND sea world
obama saved the economy single handedly, koods even said so so that clearly cannot be the case
peta caused problems about the orcas, dragged them into court, once the orcas were gone there was no a decline in the attendance, just like the circus, once the elephants were gone no one cared for the circus. yes, there were declines in attendance to once the big attractions are no longer available no one wants to go so it causes attendance to plummet
watch what happens, they still have the orca shows for a short period
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/03/17/seaworld-orcas-killer-whales/81900498/
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
#24016179 - 01/16/17 11:05 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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wow thats pretty lame 
im pretty sure i went to see them once as a kid
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
#24016191 - 01/16/17 11:10 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: It could be the animal rights but i think its also just the changing times with technology.
Technology these days is incredible. And in comparsion, the circus seems kinda outdated in way.
Yeah I agree. I think this was the biggest factor. Kids today are different. The majority, just give them a smart phone along with some wifi and they're good to go. Kids today probably think the circus is lame. And boring. Kids today be like, "why go to the circus when I can just watch some circus videos on Youtube".
Nerd ass hippies & SJW millennials will probably see this as their victory, like they're the ones who shut the shit down, but if the money was still coming in and there was a worthwhile demand for the circus -- it would still be going. Period. Money trumps all. There could be a thousand PETA motherfuckers out in the parking lots in front of every circus show, but as long as the circus was making money then it wouldn't matter.
And it's not PETA & hippies protesting about animals that caused profits to dwindle...it's that today's generation isn't about some circus shit. It's that simple.
My nieces & nephews are perfect examples. If you asked them to choose between
a) a day at the circus
and
b) staying home with their phones and satellite TV
they're gonna pick choice B every day of the week
are you speaking for them or are they speaking for themselves, I took my daughter to the circus, we even skipped school for it. of course she was only 6 so the circus was a pretty good proposition... and as crazy as it sounds, they even wanted to go to the rodeo. we cheered for the bulls because the cowboys sucked
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Connoisseur]
#24016198 - 01/16/17 11:13 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Connoisseur said: wow thats pretty lame 
im pretty sure i went to see them once as a kid
I remember my first trip to the circus. I met Emmett Kelley
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#24016254 - 01/16/17 11:40 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: It could be the animal rights but i think its also just the changing times with technology.
Technology these days is incredible. And in comparsion, the circus seems kinda outdated in way.
Yeah I agree. I think this was the biggest factor. Kids today are different. The majority, just give them a smart phone along with some wifi and they're good to go. Kids today probably think the circus is lame. And boring. Kids today be like, "why go to the circus when I can just watch some circus videos on Youtube".
Nerd ass hippies & SJW millennials will probably see this as their victory, like they're the ones who shut the shit down, but if the money was still coming in and there was a worthwhile demand for the circus -- it would still be going. Period. Money trumps all. There could be a thousand PETA motherfuckers out in the parking lots in front of every circus show, but as long as the circus was making money then it wouldn't matter.
And it's not PETA & hippies protesting about animals that caused profits to dwindle...it's that today's generation isn't about some circus shit. It's that simple.
My nieces & nephews are perfect examples. If you asked them to choose between
a) a day at the circus
and
b) staying home with their phones and satellite TV
they're gonna pick choice B every day of the week
are you speaking for them or are they speaking for themselves, I took my daughter to the circus, we even skipped school for it. of course she was only 6 so the circus was a pretty good proposition... and as crazy as it sounds, they even wanted to go to the rodeo. we cheered for the bulls because the cowboys sucked
There's always exceptions, I'm sure there are a lot of kids that would still enjoy it -- but profits, according to the articles I read, have been dwindling sharply for something like 15 to 20 years now. And to me, it has very little to do with protesters. The circus is geared towards kids, and we know that kids could give a fuck about some social issues that surround the circus. I mean sure you'll have the rare parent here and there that would refuse to take their kids to the circus because they're against it, but for the most part, if the kids really wanted to go, the parents will take them.
But it's clear that for the most part, this generation of kids is interested in other shit now. Now they got everything at the touch of their fingertips...if they wanna see animals, or animals doing tricks, they can just see it online. Me and you both know that it's not the same thing...but to a lot of kids today, they feel like it basically is.
There were some quotes that I read in the articles from performers who even said that, sadly, they just can't compete with the internet/video games/television anymore.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#24016258 - 01/16/17 11:42 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Connoisseur said: wow thats pretty lame 
im pretty sure i went to see them once as a kid
I remember my first trip to the circus. I met Emmett Kelley
My pops has an Emmett Kelly autograph somewhere. He was at a convention that my dad was at.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
#24016290 - 01/16/17 11:59 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Niffla said: There's always exceptions, I'm sure there are a lot of kids that would still enjoy it -- but profits, according to the articles I read, have been dwindling sharply for something like 15 to 20 years now.
they were in a decline but it didnt fall sharply until the elephants were gone
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#24016298 - 01/17/17 12:04 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Niffla said: There's always exceptions, I'm sure there are a lot of kids that would still enjoy it -- but profits, according to the articles I read, have been dwindling sharply for something like 15 to 20 years now.
they were in a decline but it didnt fall sharply until the elephants were gone
Good point. I heard a little bit about this...so a few years back they decided to eliminate the elephants from their shows? Why? Was it solely because of activists?
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Niffla]
#24016539 - 01/17/17 04:39 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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The elephants maybe were the turning point then...
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#24016723 - 01/17/17 08:12 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Really sad to see this happen.
I'm curious when the tree huggers are gonna grow a pair and go after the unfair treatment of police k9's?
Yeah searching for drugs in general is fucked up, but using a dog to sniff them out? Not cruel to the animal.
Searching for bodies? Ok by me.
Sending a dog into attack someone? Because you're to chickenshit even with a badge and gun and the most protected gang in the nation, to do it yourself? Fuck that.
That's a victory I'd actually like to see.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24016735 - 01/17/17 08:18 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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The biggest reason they were fought so hard on the elephants is because other circuses abused the hell out of them and in more than one case they snapped and tried to kill people.
I think the modern pressure of safety is what killed the animal acts. Sea world too had more than a few instances of orcas hurting or even killing people. During live shows in some cases. And again no one wants to take their kid to see a person get mauled.
As for what kids actually want, if their parents haven't brainwashed them with videogames and ...videos, well any kid that is actually a kid and not an animated doll would love to see animals do tricks and people in costumes do stunts. They may not want to sit through all the prep time but let's be honest here, no one does.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#24016736 - 01/17/17 08:20 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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LuSiD enthusiast said: Really sad to see this happen.
I'm curious when the tree huggers are gonna grow a pair and go after the unfair treatment of police k9's?
Yeah searching for drugs in general is fucked up, but using a dog to sniff them out? Not cruel to the animal.
Searching for bodies? Ok by me.
Sending a dog into attack someone? Because you're to chickenshit even with a badge and gun and the most protected gang in the nation, to do it yourself? Fuck that.
That's a victory I'd actually like to see.
Well we can't sniff out drugs or people. As many as they hurt or get in trouble dogs trained in this manner rescue hundreds of people every year. They're damn good at it and any PETA shitter should get shut up right quick if they go that route.
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Re: Ringling Bros. Circus to shut down...for good. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#24016744 - 01/17/17 08:26 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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I suppose when you've seen one lion catch an elephant, you've seen a maul.
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