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Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community
#24013388 - 01/15/17 10:55 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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https://theintercept.com/2017/01/13/obama-opens-nsas-vast-trove-of-warrantless-data-to-entire-intelligence-community-just-in-time-for-trump/
WITH ONLY DAYS until Donald Trump takes office, the Obama administration on Thursday announced new rules that will let the NSA share vast amounts of private data gathered without warrant, court orders or congressional authorization with 16 other agencies, including the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and the Department of Homeland Security.
The new rules allow employees doing intelligence work for those agencies to sift through raw data collected under a broad, Reagan-era executive order that gives the NSA virtually unlimited authority to intercept communications abroad. Previously, NSA analysts would filter out information they deemed irrelevant and mask the names of innocent Americans before passing it along.
The change was in the works long before there was any expectation that someone like Trump might become president. The last-minute adoption of the procedures is one of many examples of the Obama administration making new executive powers established by the Bush administration permanent, on the assumption that the executive branch could be trusted to police itself.
Executive Order 12333, often referred to as “twelve triple-three,” has attracted less debate than congressional wiretapping laws, but serves as authorization for the NSA’s most massive surveillance programs — far more than the NSA’s other programs combined. Under 12333, the NSA taps phone and internet backbones throughout the world, records the phone calls of entire countries, vacuums up traffic from Google and Yahoo’s data centers overseas, and more.
In 2014, The Intercept revealed that the NSA uses 12333 as a legal basis for an internal NSA search engine that spans more than 850 billion phone and internet records and contains the unfiltered private information of millions of Americans.
In 2014, a former state department official described NSA surveillance under 12333 as a “universe of collection and storage” beyond what Congress has authorized.
As the rule change made its way through the review process, Robert Litt, the top lawyer for the intelligence community, publicly explained the rationale: The rules “respond to the widely recognized lesson learned from the 9/11 attacks that intelligence should not be ‘stovepiped’ by individual agencies but should be shared responsibly within the intelligence community.”
But this massive database inevitably includes vast amount of American’s communications — swept up when they speak to people abroad, when they go abroad themselves, or even if their domestic communications are simply routed abroad. That’s why access was previously limited to data that had already been screened to remove unrelated information and information identifying U.S. persons. The new rules still ostensibly limit access to authorized foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes — not ordinary law enforcement purposes — and require screening before they are more widely shared. But privacy activists are skeptical.
Activists have long been concerned about the erosion of barriers between law enforcement surveillance and NSA spying. With access to the NSA’s intercepts, law enforcement could search Americans’ private information for evidence of criminality without going to a judge — a loophole privacy activists have called the “backdoor search loophole.”
Neema Singh Guliani, legislative counsel with the ACLU, said in a statement that the procedures raise “serious concerns that agencies that have responsibilities such as prosecuting domestic crimes, regulating our financial policy, and enforcing our immigration laws will now have access to a wealth of personal information that could be misused.”
Nathan White, legislative manager for the digital rights group, Access Now, wrote in an email: “One of the fundamental tenets of privacy among the intelligence community has been that when the collection is large on the front end, you need tighter minimization procedures on the back end.”
He continued: “This decision will be added to the timelines of the most significant expansions of domestic surveillance in the modern era.”
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: tdubz]
#24013781 - 01/16/17 04:52 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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came here to post this. i'm appalled at how little attention this is getting... it seems no one really cares about these surveilance issues or their constitutional rights. it pretty much gets 0 attention in the media
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: 404]
#24013946 - 01/16/17 07:55 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Dunno if it's so much a case of not caring, or simply realizing it's a fight we're not going to win.
I think i'm fairly correct in saying that mass data collection will never stop - at least not from where i'm sitting. There's very little the general public can do to avoid being 'watched', and the measures that are out there are either too complex or too expensive for anyone to bother.
just my 2cents...
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: 404]
#24014300 - 01/16/17 10:47 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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404 said: it pretty much gets 0 attention in the media
I mean the media is skewed, to only report the stuff that the "powers that be" want us to be focused on at the moment. I don't think they want everyone throwing their phones in the trash and freaking out about big brother.
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: bigbitch]
#24015483 - 01/16/17 06:23 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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It's all good, Enlil explained to me that all they collect is which number called which and duration of the call and nothing else. Nothing to worry about here..
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: Amanita86]
#24015946 - 01/16/17 09:15 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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awhile back they convinced this autistic kid to join al queda where I lived they got him his plane ticket then as he go in the plane 'they' stopped 'him'
how many other times do they use false advertising to trick people into doing these things?
it's the work of the devil, if they really wanted to keep tabs on people they'd set up a surveillance system in chicago or something but instead they just sit on their asses waiting for the cases to come in on small time shit
say for example setting up child pornography fronts on nude 18 websites and then downloading their spy ware onto your computer...
it's such a joke that college for everyone is 10x cheaper then jail for a percentage of people out of the population that can't afford representation
whatever good head trump has on his shoulders isn't going to do shit with a republican run gov't
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: Amanita86]
#24017281 - 01/17/17 12:35 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: It's all good, Enlil explained to me that all they collect is which number called which and duration of the call and nothing else. Nothing to worry about here..
I don't think that's true. They are collecting everything. But more importantly i guess, the time and location you made a call from... they also have a powerful algorithm called XKEYSCORE that sorts through your data to sniff for things like encryption and certain key words. It is more than just the number you called and the duration.
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: 404]
#24017608 - 01/17/17 02:42 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yes without a doubt they are collecting everything on everyone from the moment they are born.
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: tdubz]
#24019759 - 01/18/17 11:48 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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tdubz said: Yes without a doubt they are collecting everything on everyone from the moment they are born.
Lol
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: tdubz]
#24021054 - 01/18/17 07:09 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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tdubz said: Yes without a doubt they are collecting everything on everyone from the moment they are born.
That ones going on your permanent record.
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: PatrickKn]
#24026785 - 01/20/17 09:10 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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I listened to a pretty interesting interview of a former CIA agent that explained how they used algorithms to find people using burner phones. Apparently those CIA folks have a term for cell phones, "The Great Betrayer". It's pretty slick some of the shit they pull..
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: PatrickKn]
#24026854 - 01/20/17 09:35 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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No escape from the system unless well you escape from the system an live some kinda hippie life out in the forest/jungle.
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: tdubz]
#24026875 - 01/20/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Hippies don't live in the jungle. Militias do.
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Re: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to The Entire Intelligence Community [Re: PatrickKn]
#24026938 - 01/20/17 10:20 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Well I guess that's what Oregon was for.
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