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What does disorder mean to you?
    #24012861 - 01/15/17 06:56 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Some words can be distorted with political correctness and cultural differences, for example the word drug can so easily be taken out of context because even sugar is a drug, alongside caffeine, nicotine and alcohol.

As for the word disorder, I think it too can easily be misinterpreted to mean something it's not.

I've recently thought of myself as having some sort of mental illness in the form of hypomanic-bipolar but after finally visiting a psychiatrist I've been told that in order to have a disorder you need to be disordered and apparently I'm not that, well not mentally at least and that's my point.

While there can be physical disorder in life such as a messy room it doesn't mean or signify a disordered emotional or mental intellect.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly]
    #24012878 - 01/15/17 07:09 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Disorder is when it has a significant negative effect on your daily life

Something like a messy room or a super clean one are more like quirks


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly]
    #24012881 - 01/15/17 07:10 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

It's well here it is on the second day. More pins found it to the top.



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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: District]
    #24013007 - 01/15/17 08:00 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I mean no offense but I thought maybe yourself sudly were autistic or a bit younger than the rest of us.

I have "been through" (because it has become remissive) schizophrenia and I don't know what to say about it except it CAN be a healing process if you happen to cure its cause, if you find one, but it can also be a degenerative condition of cognition that leaves you stranded and you don't know you're stranded.

So many different things exist under this 'schizophrenia' label.

I'm still under the influence of this brain disorder actually but every day is a big step.

Reality is ... who knows. Who knows what any of this is, so who knows which ones are the disorders and which are the healers.

I think if you have a disorder, go to God. That is, the Self. Be That, and you will improve.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #24013801 - 01/16/17 05:41 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Messy is in the eye of the beholder.

I thought sudly was artificial intelligence and I'm still not convinced otherwise, he's just too quick with the graem images.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #24013811 - 01/16/17 05:57 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Messy is in the eye of the beholder.

I thought sudly was artificial intelligence and I'm still not convinced otherwise, he's just too quick with the graem images.




Graham image?



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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #24013821 - 01/16/17 06:13 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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beforethedawn said:
I mean no offense but I thought maybe yourself sudly were autistic or a bit younger than the rest of us.

I have "been through" (because it has become remissive) schizophrenia and I don't know what to say about it except it CAN be a healing process if you happen to cure its cause, if you find one, but it can also be a degenerative condition of cognition that leaves you stranded and you don't know you're stranded.

So many different things exist under this 'schizophrenia' label.

I'm still under the influence of this brain disorder actually but every day is a big step.

Reality is ... who knows. Who knows what any of this is, so who knows which ones are the disorders and which are the healers.

I think if you have a disorder, go to God. That is, the Self. Be That, and you will improve.




As far as I know I'm not autistic but I'm barely legal in America.

I've had a family history of schizophrenia but aside from that I think the meaning behind the word schizophrenia is to not be able to differentiate between perceptions of reality and fantasy, which is to say being unable to tell imagination apart from reality.

I spent a good 2 years believing in a fantasy I knew was wrong but felt was right and it's led to a great deal of change in my life.

I think the nature of the reality we live in is something that can be understood using the scientific method and centuries of mankind's collective knowledge and technological development.

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The complex nature of reality is full of interesting phenomena like that of an atom being mostly empty space, that of an incense stick burning through the movement of electrons and the idea that a teaspoon of the substances which make up stars have been theorised to weigh at least 1 billion tonnes.

The density of matter and how much energy can be stored in a single area can be a fascinating thing to learn. Energy is a strange and curios thing but it's all around us and all throughout our bodies.

The way I see it, it makes sense to me that we have the minds of human beings in the bodies of animals and we are all connected to nature in a biological way.

This video gives some good perspective with a gummy bear, fire and a high speed camera.

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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #24013941 - 01/16/17 07:52 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

"If you don't follow disorder, I will have you court martialed or worse?"



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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #24014141 - 01/16/17 09:34 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I think the term disorder gets thrown around to casually, I do believe some people have legitimate issues, and it's up to the proper people to discern when there is an actual disorder present in a person, or if it's just built up stress manifesting itself in nefarious ways.  I don't think every psychotherapist is the proper person though, some person might be made whole again by a shaman, by a coach, by a priest, by a loved one.

I am on the fence about this subject though, I sometimes think kids that are diagnosed ADHD don't have anything wrong with them, I also think that if the home life of a child is solid, that the child will experience less mental health issues, if any at all, so this leads me to believe that many disorders are just feelings which have been internalized, and have come out in negative ways, of course some people really have serious disorders which handicap their being.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: Lucis]
    #24014160 - 01/16/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I think psychiatrists are the go to over psychologists, at least for relevant opinion/feedback on the learnt behaviours of an individual.

It's like the difference between home brand and Swiss made chocolate.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly]
    #24015345 - 01/16/17 05:24 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

In our modern victim culture people use labels of mental illness to justify their apathy or stupidity, which makes it even harder for those who genuinely suffer from such disorders. I'm not saying that's you sudley, just pointing out the obvious.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: blingbling]
    #24015456 - 01/16/17 06:12 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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blingbling said:
In our modern victim culture people use labels of mental illness to justify their apathy or stupidity, which makes it even harder for those who genuinely suffer from such disorders. I'm not saying that's you sudley, just pointing out the obvious.





Possibly, I think this is why it helps to understand the history of a person, such as how were they when they were younger, did they perform well in school, did they have many friends, how were the relationships they had, and other questions.  I think if someone has a true disorder, you will see a pattern from when they were young.

Some families choose to be willfully ignorant regarding a persons mental state because they believe it reflects poorly on the family, which isn't the case, and families like this are often ripe with abuse in other forms.

You might have someone that had a disorder when they were a child, and that disorder never got dealt with properly so that person did the best they could with what they had, but those types of individuals will often hit a point where they can't process the world the way that others do, and this usually becomes apparent later in life as they take on more adult responsibilities and don't succeed.  Ignorant people will say nothing is wrong with the person because they weren't that way when they were younger, usually if you look closer at the persons younger years you will see a pattern, often times you will see diagnosed depression, anxiety, and ADHD, along with drug use, and poor decision making.


I think if someone is trying to be a victim, you will be able to discern between the two, it's really not hard, just observe their actions, victims are attention whores.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly]
    #24015465 - 01/16/17 06:17 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

To me, the degree of disorder a system exhibits is directly proportional to its unpredictability.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #24015773 - 01/16/17 08:14 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Disorder, with respect to mental health, means that one has behaviors that do not fit in with their society's expectations to an extent.  I very much view all mental illness as culturally dependent.  That said, I do believe that some disorders would be viewed as such in nearly any culture.

Otherwise, beyond mental health I think its much more simple and intuitive.  Its simply the opposite of or lack of order.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: Lucis]
    #24015904 - 01/16/17 09:00 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Fennario said:
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blingbling said:
In our modern victim culture people use labels of mental illness to justify their apathy or stupidity, which makes it even harder for those who genuinely suffer from such disorders. I'm not saying that's you sudley, just pointing out the obvious.





Possibly, I think this is why it helps to understand the history of a person, such as how were they when they were younger, did they perform well in school, did they have many friends, how were the relationships they had, and other questions.  I think if someone has a true disorder, you will see a pattern from when they were young.

Some families choose to be willfully ignorant regarding a persons mental state because they believe it reflects poorly on the family, which isn't the case, and families like this are often ripe with abuse in other forms.

You might have someone that had a disorder when they were a child, and that disorder never got dealt with properly so that person did the best they could with what they had, but those types of individuals will often hit a point where they can't process the world the way that others do, and this usually becomes apparent later in life as they take on more adult responsibilities and don't succeed.  Ignorant people will say nothing is wrong with the person because they weren't that way when they were younger, usually if you look closer at the persons younger years you will see a pattern, often times you will see diagnosed depression, anxiety, and ADHD, along with drug use, and poor decision making.


I think if someone is trying to be a victim, you will be able to discern between the two, it's really not hard, just observe their actions, victims are attention whores.




I think it depends on the disorder, but with regard to mental disorders, depression schizophrenia, bipolar etc. I think we retroactively create patterns in the history of peoples lives, but most people have some kind of pattern of disorder in early childhood and don't become mentally ill. I think the wrong experiences can happen to the wrong person at the wrong developmental window and you get someone that spirals into mental illness. Its really a case of bad luck.

having said that, I know people that have been legitimately diagnosed with a disorder and then gone on to use that label to justify apathy and stupidity :shrug:


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let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: blingbling]
    #24016263 - 01/16/17 11:45 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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blingbling said:
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Fennario said:
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blingbling said:
In our modern victim culture people use labels of mental illness to justify their apathy or stupidity, which makes it even harder for those who genuinely suffer from such disorders. I'm not saying that's you sudley, just pointing out the obvious.





Possibly, I think this is why it helps to understand the history of a person, such as how were they when they were younger, did they perform well in school, did they have many friends, how were the relationships they had, and other questions.  I think if someone has a true disorder, you will see a pattern from when they were young.

Some families choose to be willfully ignorant regarding a persons mental state because they believe it reflects poorly on the family, which isn't the case, and families like this are often ripe with abuse in other forms.

You might have someone that had a disorder when they were a child, and that disorder never got dealt with properly so that person did the best they could with what they had, but those types of individuals will often hit a point where they can't process the world the way that others do, and this usually becomes apparent later in life as they take on more adult responsibilities and don't succeed.  Ignorant people will say nothing is wrong with the person because they weren't that way when they were younger, usually if you look closer at the persons younger years you will see a pattern, often times you will see diagnosed depression, anxiety, and ADHD, along with drug use, and poor decision making.


I think if someone is trying to be a victim, you will be able to discern between the two, it's really not hard, just observe their actions, victims are attention whores.




I think it depends on the disorder, but with regard to mental disorders, depression schizophrenia, bipolar etc. I think we retroactively create patterns in the history of peoples lives, but most people have some kind of pattern of disorder in early childhood and don't become mentally ill. I think the wrong experiences can happen to the wrong person at the wrong developmental window and you get someone that spirals into mental illness. Its really a case of bad luck.

having said that, I know people that have been legitimately diagnosed with a disorder and then gone on to use that label to justify apathy and stupidity :shrug:





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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: Lucis]
    #24016277 - 01/16/17 11:54 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

How does that account for free will?


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly]
    #24020129 - 01/18/17 02:11 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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...I think the meaning behind the word schizophrenia is to not be able to differentiate between perceptions of reality and fantasy, which is to say being unable to tell imagination apart from reality.





Wouldn't religious people who believe in gods, angels, and devils fall into this category?


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: DieCommie]
    #24020148 - 01/18/17 02:17 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Disorder, with respect to mental health, means that one has behaviors that do not fit in with their society's expectations to an extent. 




True!

What's often called a "disorder" is often a form of emotional disturbance.

Anxiety, depression, and rage are types of emotional disturbances.

In the case of "ADHD" children, it's often parents and teachers who are disturbed.

So many people are lightning quick to label certain things as "abnormal".


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly]
    #24020163 - 01/18/17 02:21 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

there are some different meanings here

a psychiatric disorder is a diagnosis or label for a certain set of behaviors

being disordered could mean messy

or being so messy something is no longer functional

lastly thermodynamically speaking, heat increases disorder


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24020576 - 01/18/17 04:29 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Drug is a word oversensitised by political correctness, perhaps schizophrenia could take an update too.

I don't see how it's not rationally correct to say that someone who is themselves certain a devil exists should not be considered ignorant(not knowing) of the reality of nature.

That's not to say they are incapable or a bad/unintelligent person but that there is a belief or system of knowledge attainment they hold dearly which has a false portion to it.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24020579 - 01/18/17 04:30 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I believe the world to be ultimately deterministic (every event has a cause, even at the quantum level). Aside from free will being an illusion, another implication would be that disorder is also an illusion. All events happen in some related way, producing some pattern that can be described with non-statistical mathematical equations which give discrete answers. Our brains are built to identify patterns (ordering) as being able to predict events has great selective advantage. When we perceive any unpredictable behavior we call it random (disorder) but in actuality it just follows a pattern too complex for our brains (or man-made computers) to identify.

To describe every event of every particle in the universe, statistics could theoretically not be needed with sufficient computing power, but that computing power might require the use of more particles than there are in the universe. Maybe it's generally impossible to completely describe a system without using something outside the system itself?


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #24020903 - 01/18/17 06:25 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I have Asperger disorder. This means that even though I have only been in the field for 10 years I am an IT (read computer) god. Techs who have many more years experience and much younger more savvy techs don't measure up. Sometimes a "disorder" is a term created by the neurotypicals who lack inborn talent.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #24020931 - 01/18/17 06:33 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I don't think a disorder means the whole thing is broken, only that a portion may be out of sync.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #24021745 - 01/19/17 12:09 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

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I have Asperger disorder. This means that even though I have only been in the field for 10 years I am an IT (read computer) god. Techs who have many more years experience and much younger more savvy techs don't measure up. Sometimes a "disorder" is a term created by the neurotypicals who lack inborn talent.




I have symptoms that some people call Asperger's disorder.

But I totally reject the label and the assumption of being "abnormal".

I work in research and my boss loves my keen attention to detail.


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