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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24020576 - 01/18/17 04:29 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Drug is a word oversensitised by political correctness, perhaps schizophrenia could take an update too.

I don't see how it's not rationally correct to say that someone who is themselves certain a devil exists should not be considered ignorant(not knowing) of the reality of nature.

That's not to say they are incapable or a bad/unintelligent person but that there is a belief or system of knowledge attainment they hold dearly which has a false portion to it.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24020579 - 01/18/17 04:30 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I believe the world to be ultimately deterministic (every event has a cause, even at the quantum level). Aside from free will being an illusion, another implication would be that disorder is also an illusion. All events happen in some related way, producing some pattern that can be described with non-statistical mathematical equations which give discrete answers. Our brains are built to identify patterns (ordering) as being able to predict events has great selective advantage. When we perceive any unpredictable behavior we call it random (disorder) but in actuality it just follows a pattern too complex for our brains (or man-made computers) to identify.

To describe every event of every particle in the universe, statistics could theoretically not be needed with sufficient computing power, but that computing power might require the use of more particles than there are in the universe. Maybe it's generally impossible to completely describe a system without using something outside the system itself?


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #24020903 - 01/18/17 06:25 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I have Asperger disorder. This means that even though I have only been in the field for 10 years I am an IT (read computer) god. Techs who have many more years experience and much younger more savvy techs don't measure up. Sometimes a "disorder" is a term created by the neurotypicals who lack inborn talent.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #24020931 - 01/18/17 06:33 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I don't think a disorder means the whole thing is broken, only that a portion may be out of sync.


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Re: What does disorder mean to you? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #24021745 - 01/19/17 12:09 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
I have Asperger disorder. This means that even though I have only been in the field for 10 years I am an IT (read computer) god. Techs who have many more years experience and much younger more savvy techs don't measure up. Sometimes a "disorder" is a term created by the neurotypicals who lack inborn talent.




I have symptoms that some people call Asperger's disorder.

But I totally reject the label and the assumption of being "abnormal".

I work in research and my boss loves my keen attention to detail.


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