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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: sudly]
#24014561 - 01/16/17 12:29 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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oh sudly...
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What is the meme for the classical psychedelic experience?! is there such a thing?
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Penelope_Tree said: What an interesting dream we're in.
Whos dream is it though, mine or yours? :O
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Both, as the OP suggests. The dreamer is not the creator. The dream creates the dreamer. The dream is not something which can be possessed.
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Penelope_Tree said: Both, as the OP suggests. The dreamer is not the creator. The dream creates the dreamer. The dream is not something which can be possessed.
That sounds almost exactly like this thing I read about a subjective reality belief system http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/05/subjective-reality-qa/
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wolfiewolfie said:
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Penelope_Tree said: Both, as the OP suggests. The dreamer is not the creator. The dream creates the dreamer. The dream is not something which can be possessed.
That sounds almost exactly like this thing I read about a subjective reality belief system http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/05/subjective-reality-qa/
Wolfie, I think he is onto the same stuff, but it reads with a rough start because he is calling it subjective reality (which demotes it to 50% of the subject/object duality), and he misses the neat perspective in which the dream contains the dreamer. i.e. the agent is owned and contained by the on-going dream which in some moebius way is the dreamer too.
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redgreenvines said: he misses the neat perspective in which the dream contains the dreamer.
" In subjective reality, “you” have a completely different identity. “You” are the consciousness within which everything exists — time, space, people, places, events… EVERYTHING. You are NOT a human being with a body and a mind. You are consciousness, and there happens to be a human being with a body and a mind within you"
" So in this paradigm, you are not a body with a mind walking around in a physical universe. You are pure conscious awareness, and the physical universe is “walking around” within you."
Dis you read the whole thing? :p
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no, but I don't like the use of the term subjective, it demotes everything, it's just reality.
or a perspective of reality @ a body in space
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wolfiewolfie said:
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redgreenvines said: he misses the neat perspective in which the dream contains the dreamer.
" In subjective reality, “you” have a completely different identity. “You” are the consciousness within which everything exists — time, space, people, places, events… EVERYTHING. You are NOT a human being with a body and a mind. You are consciousness, and there happens to be a human being with a body and a mind within you"
" So in this paradigm, you are not a body with a mind walking around in a physical universe. You are pure conscious awareness, and the physical universe is “walking around” within you."
Dis you read the whole thing? :p
A pleasing and agreeable summary.
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sudly
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Perhaps we have the mind of a human being in the body of an animal, connected to nature in a biological way.
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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: sudly]
#24016056 - 01/16/17 10:05 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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LMFAO
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nausea is close to godliness
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J'existe, c'est tout.
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Like the sun coming through the clouds, for a moment.
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the essence of the idea is to undermine the idea of a separate, stable (controlled), lasting self.
as such the idea may be found both in Buddhism and non-dualism or Advaita Vedanta.
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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: laughingdog]
#24020454 - 01/18/17 03:45 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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sort of like that I think too, though modeling it and being it are both happening in stages and at the same time.
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