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Invisiblesudly
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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #24014437 - 01/16/17 11:41 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)



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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: sudly]
    #24014561 - 01/16/17 12:29 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

oh sudly... :feelsgoatman:


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #24014568 - 01/16/17 12:30 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

What is the meme for the classical psychedelic experience?! is there such a thing?


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #24014631 - 01/16/17 12:51 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)



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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #24014737 - 01/16/17 01:24 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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What an interesting dream we're in.



Whos dream is it though, mine or yours? :O


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24014927 - 01/16/17 02:40 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Both, as the OP suggests. The dreamer is not the creator. The dream creates the dreamer. The dream is not something which can be possessed.


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #24014934 - 01/16/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Both, as the OP suggests. The dreamer is not the creator. The dream creates the dreamer. The dream is not something which can be possessed.



That sounds almost exactly like this thing I read about a subjective reality belief system
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/05/subjective-reality-qa/


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24015089 - 01/16/17 03:37 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Penelope assesses correctly
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Penelope_Tree said:
Both, as the OP suggests. The dreamer is not the creator. The dream creates the dreamer. The dream is not something which can be possessed.



That sounds almost exactly like this thing I read about a subjective reality belief system
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/05/subjective-reality-qa/




Wolfie, I think he is onto the same stuff, but it reads with a rough start because he is calling it subjective reality (which demotes it to 50% of the subject/object duality), and he misses the neat perspective in which the dream contains the dreamer.  i.e. the agent is owned and contained by the on-going dream which in some moebius way is the dreamer too.


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24015278 - 01/16/17 04:50 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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redgreenvines said: he misses the neat perspective in which the dream contains the dreamer. 




"  In subjective reality, “you” have a completely different identity. “You” are the consciousness within which everything exists — time, space, people, places, events… EVERYTHING. You are NOT a human being with a body and a mind. You are consciousness, and there happens to be a human being with a body and a mind within you"

" So in this paradigm, you are not a body with a mind walking around in a physical universe. You are pure conscious awareness, and the physical universe is “walking around” within you."

Dis you read the whole thing? :p


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24015357 - 01/16/17 05:28 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

no, but I don't like the use of the term subjective, it demotes everything, it's just reality.

or a perspective of reality @ a body in space


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24015445 - 01/16/17 06:07 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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redgreenvines said: he misses the neat perspective in which the dream contains the dreamer. 




"  In subjective reality, “you” have a completely different identity. “You” are the consciousness within which everything exists — time, space, people, places, events… EVERYTHING. You are NOT a human being with a body and a mind. You are consciousness, and there happens to be a human being with a body and a mind within you"

" So in this paradigm, you are not a body with a mind walking around in a physical universe. You are pure conscious awareness, and the physical universe is “walking around” within you."

Dis you read the whole thing? :p




A pleasing and agreeable summary. :thumbup:


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #24016015 - 01/16/17 09:47 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Perhaps we have the mind of a human being in the body of an animal, connected to nature in a biological way.


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: sudly]
    #24016056 - 01/16/17 10:05 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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sudly said:





LMFAO


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #24016562 - 01/17/17 05:05 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

nausea is close to godliness


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24016741 - 01/17/17 08:25 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

J'existe, c'est tout.


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24017017 - 01/17/17 10:33 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Willy Wonka


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: Prem. Kissoff]
    #24017284 - 01/17/17 12:37 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Like the sun coming through the clouds, for a moment.


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #24020137 - 01/18/17 02:14 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

the essence of the idea is to undermine the idea of a separate, stable (controlled), lasting self.

as such the idea may be found both in Buddhism and non-dualism or Advaita Vedanta.


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: laughingdog]
    #24020454 - 01/18/17 03:45 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

sort of like that I think too,  though modeling it and being it are both happening in stages and at the same time.


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Re: The Dream Dreams the Dreamer [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24021674 - 01/18/17 11:16 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)



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