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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #24016276 - 01/16/17 11:54 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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If you make poison legal you're going to have more people killing each other than themselves. Every self defense nut is going to spike his hollowpoints or blade for some chemical stopping power.



Thats a long and damaging to the cause bow.
I'm pretty sure the hollow point is going to do the job.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: kakashi68]
    #24016284 - 01/16/17 11:56 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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why dont muricans just buy a gun and shoot themselves... like its quicker easier and stupider why do you need posion...
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Guns/poison are not even close to 100 percent effective. The guy who blew the lower part of his face off because he said Judas Priest told him to in subliminal messages lived three years after pulling the trigger. http://ultimateclassicrock.com/judas-priest-suicide/


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #24016306 - 01/17/17 12:09 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

people get poisened all the time with bleach and shit so why not legalize heroin


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Konyap]
    #24016689 - 01/17/17 07:40 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

A person who is suicidal may be looking for a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Their vision may be so clouded by their doom and gloom that they can't see all the bright and happy years they have ahead of them, if only they were to persevere just a little longer.

Because of this I don't think suicide should simply be enabled. People should be made aware that suicide is huge decision and that it's not to be taken lightly. They should also be educated on the impact it'll have on those around them and how incredibly selfish suicide may be. Think of a parent who spent the better part of their life trying to provide for you, possible hundreds and thousands of dollars spent on your schooling and toys and tutors - only for you to throw it all away because of some minor adversity. Not cool.

On the other hand there are people in positions where suicide is really the only logical option. This may be in a situation where you've only got a short time to live anyway and living any longer will only provide you with severe, unnecessary agony. This kind of suicide, called euthanasia, while generally considered controversial is probably practiced more than you think and many medical practitioners are sympathetic to this.

As for your tirade against the 25x class of drugs, I disagree with you. I think that people should absolutely have the freedom of choice over what drugs they decide to put into their body, especially if it's an educated decision where they consider the possible ramifications.

It's likely that novel psychedelics would indeed exist even if LSD were legal as people are always looking for new experiences. Indeed you'll find many people prefer phenethylamines such as 2c-b over classics like LSD. Just because LSD has a rich and interesting cultural history and significance doesn't automatically mean it's inherently a better drug.

Your idea of forcing these novel drugs to pass human trials before being able to be legally sold is made moot by the fact the ruling elite has already done extensive testing on your cherished LSD and determined that it's unsafe for your consumption. What makes you think that in your perfect paradise where LSD replaces alcohol as the soma of the masses that other, novel drugs will not receive the same exact unfair treatment that LSD does today?

Obviously the safety of these drugs should be assayed - but actually prohibiting people from buying them for their own use and person research is silly and counterproductive.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Dawks]
    #24016737 - 01/17/17 08:21 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Id love to go out by secobarbital or propofole injection when im old. Its probably the best way to go out. Without any worries and in a blissful euphoria.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Crave]
    #24017859 - 01/17/17 04:28 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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I agree but I think the debt should be passed onto the estate. Call me cold hearted but I think it should. Otherwise their debtors will be unfairly disadvantaged.

I'd be interested to know more about how colorados scheme functions and is setup. How does it work if you know??



suppose the debtors have hounded the person to commit suicide. The debt was created by the customer but when they are dead it should end the debt. It's not fair to anyone else who may be related to the person that died. That's just another greedy fucked up thing people have gotten to pass as law.

I'm not sure how it works in CO. I'm guessing it would be terminally ill etc...



It's definitely harsh, if the debt lead them to suicide but that may have also been their choice to take the debt onboard. That's a very case specific thing.

But I'd say at the very least drawn out of the remainder of the estate and the excess written off from there. Otherwise people would be taking out mortgages and debts in retirement without ever intending to pay them back.

And if debts weren't passed on it would definitely have consequences for the access to credit for everyone else, as the banks won't lose and will just shift this risk or loss elsewhere.



Then maybe there should be some forms and/or medical papers informing the bank/lender of the persons medical condition before a major loan is taken out? Seems a little crazy to try and implement something like that. If it is to be a loss to the company/corp/bank then so be it. Why should they get more money from the people connected to the person that dies? Greedy bastards have set it up so they can make even more money off the death of a person.

If one has already gotten a loan etc, and then found out they were terminally ill or any number of things afterwards, why should the bank/lender profit from the death? As long as it wasn't preconceived and done to fuck over the lender/bank, I think they shouldn't get anything from the death.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24017881 - 01/17/17 04:36 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

We have a situation where some people can simply order neat fentanyl derivatives by mail. Result: Prince died in a fucking park on fent tainted heroin, junkies are dropping like flies all over.

Let poisons just be very VERY hard to get OK? I'm not comfortable with a situation where joe blow the lowlife dealer can order lets say 10 grams of pure fentanyl analog for $1,000 by mail and then uses it to start cutting his merchandise.

If someone knows what hes doing, likeb those guys who sell perfectly diluted nasal spray bottles, perfect! But the neat powder should NEVER be commonly available because if you sneeze on it every mouse in your crappy appartment OD's.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #24017885 - 01/17/17 04:38 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

It's a nice apartment, thank you very much...


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #24017886 - 01/17/17 04:38 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I didnt know you had mice :grin:


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #24017894 - 01/17/17 04:45 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Do I think arsenic should be legal and available to buy at the drugstore?
:no:

Do I think suicide, maybe more specifically, assisted suicide, should be legal?  100% yes.

I read somewhere that the more progressive European countries that produce tasty chocolates, like Belgium, have this policy where a person can walk into a doctor's office and request to die if they've been diagnosed with depression or some other illnesses.  The doctor has the right to either refuse the treatment or administer it.

I remember being in the hospital for attempting suicide in 2008 and I was talking to this old lady in the common room.  She'd been hospitalized many times before for attempting suicide.  We're talking over 5 attempts that she's admitting to.  In a case like that, let the lady die.  It's obviously what she wants and something inside hurts her bad enough that she keeps going back.  It's kinda cruel, in my opinion, to keep her alive if simply existing hurts that much.

I know it sounds cold on the surface, but someone like that has zero quality of life and there's been no amount of medicine or treatment to make her better.  Let her have peace.  The pain she feels in her soul is indescribably distressing.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #24017901 - 01/17/17 04:48 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Do I think arsenic should be legal and available to buy at the drugstore?
:no:

Do I think suicide, maybe more specifically, assisted suicide, should be legal?  100% yes.

I read somewhere that the more progressive European countries that produce tasty chocolates, like Belgium, have this policy where a person can walk into a doctor's office and request to die if they've been diagnosed with depression or some other illnesses.  The doctor has the right to either refuse the treatment or administer it.

I remember being in the hospital for attempting suicide in 2008 and I was talking to this old lady in the common room.  She'd been hospitalized many times before for attempting suicide.  We're talking over 5 attempts that she's admitting to.  In a case like that, let the lady die.  It's obviously what she wants and something inside hurts her bad enough that she keeps going back.  It's kinda cruel, in my opinion, to keep her alive if simply existing hurts that much.

I know it sounds cold on the surface, but someone like that has zero quality of life and there's been no amount of medicine or treatment to make her better.  Let her have peace.  The pain she feels in her soul is indescribably distressing.



I agree to all of this.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #24017917 - 01/17/17 04:54 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Now there is the necessary and pragmatic separation needed between these two SEPERATE issues.
People aren't advocating for there to be an abundance of dangerous drugs to flood the market. They just want those who have made the decision that is theirs to make to have some dignity.
While counselling is generally a good idea regardless, those who are saying that the "gravity" of the situation needs to be clearly explained to the person, just have no idea tbh.
If you think a sane person with their faculties doesn't understand the ramifications of suicide you're the one that's deluded.
And the debt thing is just fucked up "No one get out of here dead".


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Asante]
    #24018063 - 01/17/17 06:12 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Asante said:
We have a situation where some people can simply order neat fentanyl derivatives by mail. Result: Prince died in a fucking park on fent tainted heroin, junkies are dropping like flies all over.

Let poisons just be very VERY hard to get OK? I'm not comfortable with a situation where joe blow the lowlife dealer can order lets say 10 grams of pure fentanyl analog for $1,000 by mail and then uses it to start cutting his merchandise.

If someone knows what hes doing, likeb those guys who sell perfectly diluted nasal spray bottles, perfect! But the neat powder should NEVER be commonly available because if you sneeze on it every mouse in your crappy appartment OD's.




I thought prince died from one of those Actiq lozenges or whatever they are? But then again Fent is spreading at a bad rate so it wouldn't surprise me.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin] * 2
    #24018472 - 01/17/17 08:30 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

That's why all drugs should be legal and available. Keep it off the black market.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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