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TheFakeSunRa
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Crave]
#24013456 - 01/15/17 11:43 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I don't only think it should be legal I think it should be encouraged. People act like suicide is so sad. What's sad is living when you don't want to. Suicide solves that problem. It should be as simple as a flu shot.
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akira_akuma
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#24013511 - 01/16/17 12:14 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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people should walk around with a gun strapped to their heads. sounds like the next neodadaist performance piece.
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topdog82
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#24013579 - 01/16/17 01:09 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: I don't only think it should be legal I think it should be encouraged. People act like suicide is so sad. What's sad is living when you don't want to. Suicide solves that problem. It should be as simple as a flu shot.
Lol but I feel many people impulsively would off themselves
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
#24014651 - 01/16/17 12:58 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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The reason why self assisted suicide/suicide is not legal is because of religion, period. I am 100% for assisted suicide/suicide. If the person "owes a debt" well the people that they "owe" just take the loss, too fucking bad. Thinking about it this may be another reason why people don't want people to die, money. I have been to a VA where WW2 vets are kept alive with tube feedings and meds. They can not do anything for themselves anymore. Why are they being kept alive? The family? I still don't know. I am sure there are various reasons involving family etc...but it seems selfish and stupid to keep someone alive in those conditions. So money and religion are the basis for not wanting people to die, greedy selfish fucked up people! I am glad Colorado finally passed a bill that allows self assisted suicide because when I want to die, I want to die.
Current Status
On November 8, 2016, Colorado voters passed Proposition 106, the End of Life Options Act, at the ballot by 65 to 35 percent (or 2 to 1) margin. The law went into effect on December 16, 2016.
Fifty-six percent of Colorado physicians support the option, according to the Colorado Medical Society.
History
Proposition 106, a physician-assisted dying measure, had qualified qualified for the ballot in August 2o16. According to a Colorado Mesa University September 2016 poll, 70 percent of Coloradans supported the measure, with 46 percent favoring it strongly.
The ballot measure’s success followed the failure of bills to progress in the Colorado state legislature in two subsequent sessions.
In 2015, Colorado State Representatives Lois Court (D-Denver) and Joann Ginal (D-Fort Collins) sponsored HB 15-1135, the Colorado Death with Dignity Act, which was heard and voted down in a House Committee.
In January 2016, Representatives Court and Ginal introduced HB 16-1054, a Death with Dignity bill, while Senator Michael Merrifield (D-Manitou Springs) signed on as sponsor of SB 16-025, an identical companion bill, in the Colorado Senate. The new bill was called the Colorado End-of-Life Options Act. A hearing in the Senate State, Veterans, and Military Affairs Committee took place on February 3, 2016. The bill was voted down (“postponed indefinitely”) 3 to 2 along party lines. A hearing in the House Judiciary Committee took place on February 4, 2016. The bill passed 6 to 5, again along party lines. On February 24, 2016, the bill sponsors pulled the bill from consideration by the full House due to a lack of votes to pass it.
The 2015 session was the first time a Death with Dignity bill was considered in the Colorado legislature after the Oregon Death with Dignity Act went into effect. Colorado had considered physician-assisted dying bills in 1995 (HB 95-1308) and 1996 (HB 96-1185).
Resources
Full text of Proposition 106 (originally Initiative 145) Death with Dignity National Center ad in support of Prop 106 airing in rural areas and featuring Deborah Ziegler, Brittany Maynard’s mother History and full text of HB 16-1054 and SB 16-025 per the Colorado General Assembly “Aid in Dying: Colorado Confronts a Difficult Policy Question,” – An analytical report by the Colorado Health Institute, January 2016
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Crave
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I agree but I think the debt should be passed onto the estate. Call me cold hearted but I think it should. Otherwise their debtors will be unfairly disadvantaged.
I'd be interested to know more about how colorados scheme functions and is setup. How does it work if you know??
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
#24014809 - 01/16/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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If you make poison legal you're going to have more people killing each other than themselves. Every self defense nut is going to spike his hollowpoints or blade for some chemical stopping power.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: pineninja] 1
#24014835 - 01/16/17 02:00 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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pineninja said: Nobody but me has the right tell me when I can or cannot die. Especially the state. Yes.
This. I'm free to live which means I'm free to die if I wish.
Being said I do think suicide should be prevented in most cases. Most times a suicidal person still has alot to live for, have issues that can be fixed, all that stuff. But ya know if the system is going to enable the shit that is making record numbers of people depressed, stressed, and mentally ill, then we should be allowed to cope with drugs if we want and give up if we want.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Asante]
#24014899 - 01/16/17 02:24 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Asante said: If you make poison legal you're going to have more people killing each other than themselves. Every self defense nut is going to spike his hollowpoints or blade for some chemical stopping power.
This.
Also domestic homicide would become more prevalent where a spouse doesn't have to use 'violent' means to kill their partner.
Mad at your boss? Slip some cyanide into his drink.
Hell, there's people even now who rub bullets into feces to ensure an infection if the bullet itself doesn't kill.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82] 1
#24014913 - 01/16/17 02:33 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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I say no to more government regulations on anything. Let the free market sort itself out. More regulations means more inefficient government spending on creating a board of incompetent, lazy people who bought their way into a government position, and who want more than anything else to keep their positions, overseeing something largely produced abroad and distributed through gray markets. Another place for the government to bleed money and be ineffective. No thanks.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Crave]
#24014985 - 01/16/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Crave said: I agree but I think the debt should be passed onto the estate. Call me cold hearted but I think it should. Otherwise their debtors will be unfairly disadvantaged.
I'd be interested to know more about how colorados scheme functions and is setup. How does it work if you know??
suppose the debtors have hounded the person to commit suicide. The debt was created by the customer but when they are dead it should end the debt. It's not fair to anyone else who may be related to the person that died. That's just another greedy fucked up thing people have gotten to pass as law.
I'm not sure how it works in CO. I'm guessing it would be terminally ill etc...
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
#24015328 - 01/16/17 05:15 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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topdog82 said:
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TheFakeSunRa said: I don't only think it should be legal I think it should be encouraged. People act like suicide is so sad. What's sad is living when you don't want to. Suicide solves that problem. It should be as simple as a flu shot.
Lol but I feel many people impulsively would off themselves
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abltsandwich said: I say no to more government regulations on anything. Let the free market sort itself out. More regulations means more inefficient government spending on creating a board of incompetent, lazy people who bought their way into a government position, and who want more than anything else to keep their positions, overseeing something largely produced abroad and distributed through gray markets. Another place for the government to bleed money and be ineffective. No thanks.
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tyrannicalrex said:
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Crave said: I agree but I think the debt should be passed onto the estate. Call me cold hearted but I think it should. Otherwise their debtors will be unfairly disadvantaged.
I'd be interested to know more about how colorados scheme functions and is setup. How does it work if you know??
suppose the debtors have hounded the person to commit suicide. The debt was created by the customer but when they are dead it should end the debt. It's not fair to anyone else who may be related to the person that died. That's just another greedy fucked up thing people have gotten to pass as law.
I'm not sure how it works in CO. I'm guessing it would be terminally ill etc...
But then you might have parents for example who might inherit their children's debt when they know they will soon die. Or purchase an expensive home knowing they can't possibly pay it off before they die, knowing their children would inherit the house debt free..
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: MagicMush123]
#24015392 - 01/16/17 05:42 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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MagicMush123 said:
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abltsandwich said: I say no to more government regulations on anything. Let the free market sort itself out. More regulations means more inefficient government spending on creating a board of incompetent, lazy people who bought their way into a government position, and who want more than anything else to keep their positions, overseeing something largely produced abroad and distributed through gray markets. Another place for the government to bleed money and be ineffective. No thanks.
Sometimes you need government regulations because companies can't be trusted upon to police themselvesQuote:
tyrannicalrex said:
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Crave said: I agree but I think the debt should be passed onto the estate. Call me cold hearted but I think it should. Otherwise their debtors will be unfairly disadvantaged.
I'd be interested to know more about how colorados scheme functions and is setup. How does it work if you know??
suppose the debtors have hounded the person to commit suicide. The debt was created by the customer but when they are dead it should end the debt. It's not fair to anyone else who may be related to the person that died. That's just another greedy fucked up thing people have gotten to pass as law.
I'm not sure how it works in CO. I'm guessing it would be terminally ill etc...
But then you might have parents for example who might inherit their children's debt when they know they will soon die. Or purchase an expensive home knowing they can't possibly pay it off before they die, knowing their children would inherit the house debt free..
Oh no a bank might get screwed and a decent family might have somewhere to live.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#24015422 - 01/16/17 05:58 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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I agree, I agree 100℅ banks routinely fuck people over and make way to much money. But it wouldn't be sustainable if people constantly racked up credit cards and accumulated debt knowing nobody would be responsible for it
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TheFakeSunRa
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#24015466 - 01/16/17 06:17 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: I agree, I agree 100℅ banks routinely fuck people over and make way to much money. But it wouldn't be sustainable if people constantly racked up credit cards and accumulated debt knowing nobody would be responsible for it
What's happening isn't sustainable either.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#24015645 - 01/16/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Unfortunately people give up on themselves to easily when it comes to suicidal ideation. Really a large portion of people who have committed suicide didn't really have to. But as I read in an above comment a lengthy psychiatric analysis of the individual should be performed before that person even thinks about suicide.
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TheFakeSunRa
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Rollin.n.Strollin said: Unfortunately people give up on themselves to easily when it comes to suicidal ideation. Really a large portion of people who have committed suicide didn't really have to. But as I read in an above comment a lengthy psychiatric analysis of the individual should be performed before that person even thinks about suicide.
Why? No one who succeeds regrets it.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#24015676 - 01/16/17 07:40 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said:
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Rollin.n.Strollin said: Unfortunately people give up on themselves to easily when it comes to suicidal ideation. Really a large portion of people who have committed suicide didn't really have to. But as I read in an above comment a lengthy psychiatric analysis of the individual should be performed before that person even thinks about suicide.
Why? No one who succeeds regrets it.
There are a lot of people burning in hell who wish they had just one human breath left they could use to call upon the name of the Lord and be saved.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#24016255 - 01/16/17 11:40 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said:
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Crave said: I agree but I think the debt should be passed onto the estate. Call me cold hearted but I think it should. Otherwise their debtors will be unfairly disadvantaged.
I'd be interested to know more about how colorados scheme functions and is setup. How does it work if you know??
suppose the debtors have hounded the person to commit suicide. The debt was created by the customer but when they are dead it should end the debt. It's not fair to anyone else who may be related to the person that died. That's just another greedy fucked up thing people have gotten to pass as law.
I'm not sure how it works in CO. I'm guessing it would be terminally ill etc...
It's definitely harsh, if the debt lead them to suicide but that may have also been their choice to take the debt onboard. That's a very case specific thing.
But I'd say at the very least drawn out of the remainder of the estate and the excess written off from there. Otherwise people would be taking out mortgages and debts in retirement without ever intending to pay them back.
And if debts weren't passed on it would definitely have consequences for the access to credit for everyone else, as the banks won't lose and will just shift this risk or loss elsewhere.
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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24016267 - 01/16/17 11:51 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: suicide is damaging to those around you.
it's meant to be.
yes, it should be legal: here's why: because if it's legal, someone's attempts at a call for help is not suppressed as much as when it is illegal- they can receive treatment without the same stigma, hence, you have less instances of people actually committing suicide successfully, because they aren't put so much so into a corner where they can't tell anyone for the sake of not being stigmatized or committed that they are planning to commit suicide.
if someone wants to commit suicide, it should be noted that such a thing SHOULD be done for the express purpose of hurting those around them...good. if one's life sucks enough that they should consider suicide, then the people around them shouldn't act so blithely towards the fact, lest they deserve the pain that comes with knowing they could have done something.
does life suck that bad? sure it does. if no one cares...what's the point of living?
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What about the debts they owe?
the concept that one can "owe debts through someone else" is...for lack of a better term...actually there is no one term to denote how senseless, illogical, stupid, idiotic, disgraceful, moronic, foolish, condemnable, and outright astounding it is of a concept.
I was to emotional to respond correctly to the debt assertion.
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