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Should suicide/poison be legal?
    #24012461 - 01/15/17 03:40 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I posted a thread a few months ago about nbome. Something along the lines of "why is nbome still a thing?"

ME: nbome was so 2012. we have RC's that don't have a chance of killing you in normal dosage ranges. why nbome even on the market?
Replies:People have a right to put whatever they want in their body. Thats their choice

And Thats a damn good argument that I sort of came to terms with by the end of the thread. But in this case, the variable in question (nbome) is inherently a toxic chemical. Should giving inherently toxic chemicals to the public be legal?

Should we have a regulated market for arsenic? Now granted, arsenic lacks a recreational component that nbome has. but the idea is the same? nbome is INHERENTLY toxic and we have drugs that do literally the exact same thing with 0 risk (LSD etc.). Even meth, crack or heroin don't inherently have a chance of killing you in the normal dosage range (right?)

philosophically, I want to say "yes". because each man/woman should do as they please. But in reality if nbome were available to the public, (assuming we live in a world LSD and all other major recreational drug were legal), I think nbome would be used to poison people. I mean having the ability to dose someone some nbome would be probably the cruelest way I could think of to end someone's life. The night I took 25i (thinking it was L) was the worst night of my life. You could argue that nbome already was legal at a point in time but I think nbome at that point in time was poorly understood and there was not enough research done on it to confirm its toxicity. Also; the only reason nbome exists or even got big at all was due to the fact L is illegal and often inconsistently dosed/priced. If the drug war never began, I think the only chems that would be marketed would be the major psyches (2c's, L, mesc etc.) and pharma companies would only release new chems after extensive testing/trials with the FDA. No market would open for nbome cause the chem would get outclassed

Also; if suicide were legal and poison were available to the public I feel that not only would people impulsively off themselves after say a gf breaks their heart (though in the long run it wasn't a huge deal. They are too caught up in their suffering to realize this), people may off themselves when they owe someone tons of money. Or off themselves when they are the breadwinner of the family leaving the children on their own

tl:dr; Should suicide be legal? Philosophically I want to say yes. But the reality of it seems a lot more complex than that. Should arsenic be available to the public?
We are all against the drug war, but should nbome and other inherently toxic chems (that clearly have healthier replacements that are better in almost every way) be legal?
By saying the drug war is stupid and counterproductive (which it is), where do we stand as a community on PCP?(I am told PCP has a high chance of the user freaking out) EDIT: by freaking out, I mean having a high likelihood of killing other people. What about barbiturates?(Correct me if I am wrong, but they have a low theraputic index contrary to benzos which have a high one. Hence one could just pop a few and off themselves really peacefully)

My thoughts; In the case of barbs, I think maybe we could find a way to only market the barbs with the higher theraputic indexes? Or keep barbs illegal while keeping benzos legal in this hypothetical realm? and in the case of PCP, maybe sell it mixed in with some benzo's to mitigate the stimulating aspect of PCP? OR only market dissos which don't have that freakout factor?


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #24012507 - 01/15/17 04:01 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Assisted suicide should be legal, but only after intense lengthy psychiatric evaluation and done under the supervision of a doctor. I think Canada's first assisted suicide case was passed in the courts fairly recently. You can't just have people offing themselves for silly and inherently selfish reasons such as owing somebody money. Not to say that's going to stop people from doing it themselves through other means anyways.

Stuff like arsenic, cyanide, etc should not be available on the public market. People aren't only going to use it on themselves. There would be too many people using it to commit murder on other people.

I fully support the notion that people should have the right to put whatever they want in their body. But that's mostly regarding psychoactive drugs. If people choose to ruin their lives with heroin then that's on them. It should be a medical issue and not a legal one. I hate the drug war and all it stands for. People shouldn't be persecuted for using drugs recreationaly if they're not hurting anyone else.

In a scenario where drugs are legalized, if somebody stabs somebody else over a bag of meth, there should be an extra charge added onto the attempted (or successful) murder due to it being drug related. This should be done as a deterrent for others who might do the same thing. Same goes for theft. Add an extra year jail/prison time for it being drug related. I hope that would satisfy all those against legalization of recreational drugs.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #24012514 - 01/15/17 04:05 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Yes.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #24012526 - 01/15/17 04:07 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Those are two seperate issues.

So far as I know poison is legal. Cyanide for instance is legal. If you want to buy some you'll need a reason to tell the chemist shop when you open an account, like your hobby is metal plating or something. But thats just because of the control on chemicals in general in our contemperary society with so much paranoia regarding drug labs.

IMO suicide should be illegal. Its generally harmful to society so it should be discouraged. But if someone does it they can't be prosecuted under the law so the legal status is kind or irrelevant.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #24012531 - 01/15/17 04:10 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I think suicide should be legal. You should have to right to end your life because of medical reasons or not. Why should you be forced to endure a life of suffering if you don't want to? It's your life you should end it if you wish


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: MagicMush123]
    #24012556 - 01/15/17 04:23 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

What about NBOME's?


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #24012580 - 01/15/17 04:34 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I'd be a hypocrite to say that NBOME's should be illegal. I think that people should be made blatantly aware of the dangers and health issues involving them. I'd imagine with cheap legal LSD that they'd fall to the wayside with few people manufacturing them and less people retailing them. And the ones that do sell it should make people aware that NBOME's are deadly in recreational doses. Maybe have a general consensus among drug manufacturers to stop producing them at all in favor of better safer drugs.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #24012641 - 01/15/17 05:05 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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I'd be a hypocrite to say that NBOME's should be illegal. I think that people should be made blatantly aware of the dangers and health issues involving them. I'd imagine with cheap legal LSD that they'd fall to the wayside with few people manufacturing them and less people retailing them. And the ones that do sell it should make people aware that NBOME's are deadly in recreational doses. Maybe have a general consensus among drug manufacturers to stop producing them at all in favor of better safer drugs.



I think/hope that in this hypothetical that the drug war ended, that people would be properly educated. some kid in my high school friend group took 5 hits of 25i. I am surprised he is alive. he was completely unaware of the dangers
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Assisted suicide should be legal, but only after intense lengthy psychiatric evaluation and done under the supervision of a doctor. I think Canada's first assisted suicide case was passed in the courts fairly recently. You can't just have people offing themselves for silly and inherently selfish reasons such as owing somebody money. Not to say that's going to stop people from doing it themselves through other means anyways.

Stuff like arsenic, cyanide, etc should not be available on the public market. People aren't only going to use it on themselves. There would be too many people using it to commit murder on other people.

I fully support the notion that people should have the right to put whatever they want in their body. But that's mostly regarding psychoactive drugs. If people choose to ruin their lives with heroin then that's on them. It should be a medical issue and not a legal one. I hate the drug war and all it stands for. People shouldn't be persecuted for using drugs recreationaly if they're not hurting anyone else.

In a scenario where drugs are legalized, if somebody stabs somebody else over a bag of meth, there should be an extra charge added onto the attempted (or successful) murder due to it being drug related. This should be done as a deterrent for others who might do the same thing. Same goes for theft. Add an extra year jail/prison time for it being drug related. I hope that would satisfy all those against legalization of recreational drugs.



Didn't know a lot of this. super interesting


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #24012645 - 01/15/17 05:06 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I think Assisted Suicide just became legal not too long ago in my part of Canada.... not sure if it's nation-wide or not. :mushroom2:


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Reprobate420] * 1
    #24012656 - 01/15/17 05:12 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Nobody but me has the right tell me when I can or cannot die. Especially the state. Yes.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Reprobate420]
    #24012659 - 01/15/17 05:14 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

why dont muricans just buy a gun and shoot themselves... like its quicker easier and stupider why do you need posion...

Nbome is only legal because of a loophole.

If someone wants to kill themselves they will. Euthanasia however should be legal for people who are in so much pain, terminal or have a life long shitty illness.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #24012676 - 01/15/17 05:22 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

If drugs were legal and readily available people wouldn't resort to using shitty drugs such a nbombs and the free market would naturally phase them out because there wouldn't be any reason for anyone to do them


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: pineninja]
    #24012710 - 01/15/17 05:35 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

If you want to kill yourself by your own hand then that's fine. Doctors shouldn't have to bear the burden of having to kill otherwise healthy people, especially when there's treatment available for their mental health issues.

Assisted suicide or euthanasia should only be available for people with debilitating physical illness or mental illness so bad that the person in question has essentially zero quality of life. And this should only be done after expensive psychiatric evaluation. The person should also be given time to re think their decision.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #24012744 - 01/15/17 05:51 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Yep it should be legal it your body.Why the hell not..


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Themanwiththeplan]
    #24012799 - 01/15/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Someone could assasinate another person.....


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: alfonseelrick]
    #24013269 - 01/15/17 09:42 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

a lot of the answers I am getting are just clear "yes" answers. Again. I understand the philosophical argument

But my real question here was from a practical standpoint, how do you expect to take care of the people who have families that they then leave behind? What about the debts they owe? Doesn't really sound practical. And people aren't really confronting this

This isn't like legalizing drugs where doing it "responsibly" would remove much of the downsides. This is a pretty serious damn issue


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: topdog82]
    #24013370 - 01/15/17 10:40 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Having the psychiatrist speak to the family would be one thing. Also having the family members sign for the euthanasia so that they and their loved one in question fully understand the situation and repercussions. It is a very serious matter that should not be taken lightly. Offer support groups/counseling for those left behind. In the future I'd imagine it wouldn't be so stigmatized and there would be infrastructure put into place to address these issues.

Also, people with significant debt should be excluded from medically assisted suicide, or have a plan in place to settle those debts before euthanasia such as family members willing to pay the creditors.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: Canadian Jesus] * 1
    #24013392 - 01/15/17 10:57 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

suicide is damaging to those around you.

it's meant to be.

yes, it should be legal: here's why: because if it's legal, someone's attempts at a call for help is not suppressed as much as when it is illegal- they can receive treatment without the same stigma, hence, you have less instances of people actually committing suicide successfully, because they aren't put so much so into a corner where they can't tell anyone for the sake of not being stigmatized or committed that they are planning to commit suicide.

if someone wants to commit suicide, it should be noted that such a thing SHOULD be done for the express purpose of hurting those around them...good. if one's life sucks enough that they should consider suicide, then the people around them shouldn't act so blithely towards the fact, lest they deserve the pain that comes with knowing they could have done something.

does life suck that bad? sure it does. if no one cares...what's the point of living?

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What about the debts they owe?




the concept that one can "owe debts through someone else" is...for lack of a better term...actually there is no one term to denote how senseless, illogical, stupid, idiotic, disgraceful, moronic, foolish, condemnable, and outright astounding it is of a concept.


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Re: Should suicide/poison be legal? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24013442 - 01/15/17 11:28 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

yes


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    #24013446 - 01/15/17 11:32 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Go walk through an oncology ward in a hospital to see whether Euthanasia should be legalised. It definitely should be. I think the problem though is that it's a legal and political quagmire.

Politically it's not going to be a well received policy and will inevitably cause a backlash from the evangelist religious extremists. It'd be a shit storm.

Legally it'd be a nightmare also for alot of reasons.. from a compensation and liability perspective. Who responsibility is it to complete the procedure? Who foots the bill when they screw it up? Probably not a whole lot of people lining up to take responsibility for that.

And even to just create the scheme, where do they draw the line? How do they justify ones suffering and categorise it as warranting Euthanasia? Missing only one leg? Not good enough. You can't choose to die yet, buddy. You must be atleast 75% impaired to qualify. Well.. what about Mr 74%? What about people who are more sensitive then others and can't handle whatever they've been dealt?

Just in general it would be a very difficult thing to accomplish. But it should be done. I think people should have a right to choose and to die with dignity.


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