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    #24011542 - 01/15/17 09:00 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

So I'm making yet another go at self-improvement, which almost certainly will fail, but I'm not going to give up just yet.

The good news is I wont have to do much in order to call it an improvement.  The situation is pretty bad right now.  I drink an ungodly amount of liquor, chase that with soda, and eat fast food a couple times per week.

Went shopping last night and dropped a bunch of money on good food.  At the moment I am not focused on counting calories, just switching to better quality calories and more fruits/veg.

Will try to add to this as I go but here is my general approach so far:

Breakfast:
1 or 2 eggs on whole grain toast with butter
Black Coffee
Orange/Banana
Yogurt

Lunch:
Soup (canned or prepared soup lots of times, but I will spring for the "organic" vegan soups not cambells dog food quality shit.)
Salad

Dinner:
I'm just going to eat regular home cooked dinners and probably go out sometimes too, but try to cut out fried foods as much as I can.
Typical Meat & Starch combos.  Tacos, spaghetti, chicken and rice, steak and taters.  All with plenty of vegetable.

Snack: (probably where I need the most work)
Nuts
Avocado
Celery & PB
fresh & dried fruit
Olives/tomatoes/mushrooms/artichoke/veggies in olive oil/pickled/marinated with crackers
Chocolate almond/cashew/coconut milk
Chips & Salsa

Going to try and get more into making dank soups and salads, but for now I just want to cut out the things that I know are absolute shit.  If anyone has any opinions on any of these food items or advice on things I can use to supplement my list I'm interested to hear.

What is your favorite healthy meal or snack?


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24012149 - 01/15/17 12:48 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

If you stick to your plan that's already a vast improvement. But if you really want to optimize your diet you should try to cook at least one big meal(maybe for your dinner) with a lean meat, vegetables and healthy carbs. A soup and a salad is a pretty light lunch. Maybe make some burritos or tacos or some shit. I've changed my diet recently and I'm noticing vast changes in my body already. I only drink water and milk I've been eating eggs, chicken, rice, noodles, protein shakes, other meats and carbs and I've never had more energy or looked better in my life. I've gotten to the point where if I deviate from my diet I actually feel sick /:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24012164 - 01/15/17 12:52 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I don't count calories and I'm losing a crazy amount of weight plus gaining insane muscle, stamina, power, endurance, etc. I've never believed in counting anything.... it can make people feel so restricted and eventually lead to burnouts/binges.
It's down to the quality and type of food you consume.... plus working DAMN hard in the gym/during workouts.

No dairy - literally no benefit at all consuming dairy. It's just bad fat, sugar and calories. Dairy is also pro-inflammatory.
No/limited grains, including whole meal and rices - excess carbohydrates, pro-inflammatory. You can get carbohydrates/fiber from fruit, veg, seeds and nuts.
Limited meat - protein intake is often exaggerated, you can easily get protein from healthy sources, such as nuts and seeds.
Wholefoods, Fresh fruit and veg, nutrient dense food (nuts, seeds, lentils, beans, etc), diet high in healthy fats.

My favourite snack is a bowl of nuts or seeds with varied berries.... sounds boring, right? Nah. My state of mind now is I consume food for nourishment and health, not over pleasuring my senses :lol:
Favourite meal.... hmm... lightly boiled spinach + kale + broccoli with quinoa + chicken breast + cod (though, I'm giving veganism a go now) Also mix it up a bit with other veg, such as asparagus. Cover it in olive oil and sprinkle on a mix of herbs, baked it in oven for 10 minutes. Same with sweet potatoes.

You can make healthy eating exciting and tasty :highfive:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01]
    #24012195 - 01/15/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Yeah I will probably still do dairy, if not just for cheese alone, and I don't really feel the need to cut out grains or anything, I seem to tolerate them pretty well, though I am going to try and focus on mostly whole grain stuff.  I'd like to cut out meat too, but I don't want to take on too much at once.

I already only have soup for lunch alot of days.  I don't mind a light lunch at work, and it's nice to just grab a can in the morning and not have to worry about cooking.  I usually get fed stuff other people bring too.

Going to try to get into cooking more.  I'm actually on ok chef, but it's just so much work and I don't even have a kitchen for a little while due to construction so I've gotta make do with stuff I can do hotplate/crockpot style and washing dishes in the bathroom sink.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24013769 - 01/16/17 04:30 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I understand you wanna start slow but keep in mind, your diet and nutrition have massive effects on your mood and sense of well being and you might not even realise it (yet), which will lead to worsening cravings for alcohol/opioids.
Something that feels as normal as having wholemeal bread will lead to vicious insulin and blood sugar cycles.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01] * 1
    #24013776 - 01/16/17 04:45 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah who knows really, but I don't think the same rules apply for everyone.  The main issue is I can only make the changes I want to make.  Once I start adding in unrealistic goals I know none of it will happen, so I'm definitely gonna keep it to small changes that won't make me miserable.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24013805 - 01/16/17 05:50 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

:strokebeard: But being miserable is a part of abstinence. Being miserable is a part of life. Being miserable is why you started drinking when you stopped opioids. I think, in my opinion, when you are making such massive life changes such as getting clean from drugs, that's the time to go full force and leave most of your unhealthy habits/coping mechanisms behind you otherwise the self doubt and excuses are slowly going to build up until you can't cope anymore.

I know my words will sound unrealistic and I'm not saying change your lifestyle around in a day or week but you've got to be extremely wary of what choices you make  :hugitout:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24013886 - 01/16/17 07:16 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

They sound like very positive changes :thumbup:

I can't really think of anything you haven't mentioned re snacks. Avocados are amazing and I always like to snack on nuts between meals because they're really filling and healthy.

When it comes to nutrition, I think everyone is so different but it's important to remember that we need a certain amount of saturated fat to function. I'm tired of people demonising dairy. The commercial dairy industry is vile, but dairy itself isn't bad in small amounts. We evolved to eat it because of its high fat content, and we need saturated fats. I know this because last week I was a total idiot and ate virtually no 'unhealthy' saturated fat. As a result, the last couple of days I've suffered with extreme exhaustion, muscles feeling heavy as lead and barely able to move, in addition to my usual monthly hormonal imbalances.

I've been a vegetarian for years but I am beginning to suspect that my hormonal problems could be coming from my lack of lean protein. I read that wild salmon is supposed to be really good, so I ate some of that yesterday and today I actually feel a million times better. other things that are supposed to be really good: bananas, low fat natural yogurt, peanut butter, pumpkin seeds, steamed broccoli, eggs. So I will eat more of these and I think I will reluctantly start incorporating fish a few times a week to see if it helps. I also made a cheesecake yesterday with a load of coconut cream, blueberries, peanut butter, and honey and crushed digestives in the base which was amazing.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24013951 - 01/16/17 07:59 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

There is literally no benefits to consuming dairy. It's just cheap and easy. Dairy should be demonised, especially nowadays with the drugs they pump in the animals.
Of course we need saturated fats but you can get saturated fat from countless other sources, some you already mentioned such as avocados, peanuts, seeds and nuts. I also like coconut oil. Eating nutritious high fat foods then having dairy for its "saturated fats" just seems.... contradictory. to me.


Coconut Oil Contains Fatty Acids With Powerful Medicinal Properties
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In fact, coconut oil is one of the richest sources of saturated fat known to man, with almost 90% of the fatty acids in it being saturated.




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While a moderate intake of yogurt can actually help decrease inflammation with its gut-healing probiotics, dairy is also a source of inflammation-inducing saturated fats. On top of that, studies have connected full-fat dairy with disrupting our gut microbiome, actually decreasing levels of our good gut bacteria which are key players in reducing inflammation. And lastly, dairy is a common allergen, with about 1 in 4 adults having a difficulty in digesting milk, whether it's lactose intolerance or a sensitivity to its casein proteins. Either way, any type of allergen can trigger inflammatory reactions through the release of histamines. If you feel particularly bloated after a few blocks of cheese, you might consider cutting dairy from your diet.




The Dangers Of Dairy

Like everything, you can have dairy in moderation but almost all sources are addicting e.g. milkshakes, chocolate milk, cheese.
A tbsp of incredibly beneficial coconut oil or horrible dairy?  :strokebeard:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24013997 - 01/16/17 08:23 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Yeah who knows really, but I don't think the same rules apply for everyone.  The main issue is I can only make the changes I want to make.  Once I start adding in unrealistic goals I know none of it will happen, so I'm definitely gonna keep it to small changes that won't make me miserable.



When food begins to lose it's flavor, you have to choke down every bite of every meal and you see it as nothing more than a blend of fat carbs and protein, you've started to make it


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01]
    #24014165 - 01/16/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Agreed, commercial dairy farming is the worst and there's no denying that coconut oil (as well as cream and milk) is highly nutritional. They contain high quantities of polyunsaturated 'healthy' fats which have amazing fat burning properties.

However, I firmly believe that we need a certain amount of 'bad' fats aka trans fats found in meat and dairy. Why? Because they are highly energy dense meaning that you need to consume LESS of them to sustain yourself for much longer than other fats which burn away more rapidly. This is the whole reason why we evolved to eat these types of fats in the first place. Ever notice that the colder the climate, the more meat and dairy the culture tends to consume? It's because these kinds of fats are highly energy rich. Perhaps, to an extent, it's because my ancestry is from colder climates, meaning that genetically I have evolved to need greater amounts of 'unhealthy' saturated fat, but I've tried going without dairy (whilst being vegetarian) and I get extremely ill EVERY TIME.

Also, you don't see babies who aren't breast fed being fed coconut milk do you? No, they're cow milk protein-based formulas. I suspect a child raised on coconut milk would be malnourished. Whilst it sucks, and I despise animal cruelty, there's meaning in the madness of the world sometimes. Not everything is a conspiracy.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24014358 - 01/16/17 11:08 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Agreed, commercial dairy farming is the worst and there's no denying that coconut oil (as well as cream and milk) is highly nutritional. They contain high quantities of polyunsaturated 'healthy' fats which have amazing fat burning properties.

However, I firmly believe that we need a certain amount of 'bad' fats aka trans fats found in meat and dairy. Why? Because they are highly energy dense meaning that you need to consume LESS of them to sustain yourself for much longer than other fats which burn away more rapidly. This is the whole reason why we evolved to eat these types of fats in the first place. Ever notice that the colder the climate, the more meat and dairy the culture tends to consume? It's because these kinds of fats are highly energy rich. Perhaps, to an extent, it's because my ancestry is from colder climates, meaning that genetically I have evolved to need greater amounts of 'unhealthy' saturated fat, but I've tried going without dairy (whilst being vegetarian) and I get extremely ill EVERY TIME.

Also, you don't see babies who aren't breast fed being fed coconut milk do you? No, they're cow milk protein-based formulas. I suspect a child raised on coconut milk would be malnourished. Whilst it sucks, and I despise animal cruelty, there's meaning in the madness of the world sometimes. Not everything is a conspiracy.




Saturated fats and trans/hydrogenated fats are completely different. Trans fats ARE a poison (literally illegal in some countries), commonly found in food like fried junk and fast food. I don't consider saturated fat bad fat.... it depends on your source.
Meat and dairy are easy to produce in cold climates and keep in mind the lifestyles of people living in *cold* climates, they are all extremely active and free from modern toxic environments/factors. 

I would not call it a conspiracy per say, it's just our culture and society now. Dairy, etc are so ingrained into our lifes it's going to be hard for alot of people to realise there is better options.... shit, the average person essentially lives on junk food anyways. 
But I certainly do feel the government don't have the populations best intentions at heart.... and I'm sure most people on this forum would agree  :smugjerry:

And I totally agree, you do what works for you, I'm just trying to give Moon a wide variety of information and his brightest chance at staying clean and healthy :hug:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01] * 1
    #24014379 - 01/16/17 11:17 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Maybe not trans fat then...but there is something about the fats in dairy that my body just NEEDS to function (whilst not eating meat anyway). It's been tried and tested many times by myself, so your argument that there are better sources of fat out there for 'everyone' is invalid. Nutritional requirements are unique to different individuals.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24014385 - 01/16/17 11:19 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

whoops didn't see the last part of your post. Peace :wink:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24014496 - 01/16/17 12:07 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Maybe switch your heavy meat and starch meal to breakfast and a few eggs for dinner? Your body will use the high calorie meal throughout the day!


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01] * 1
    #24014785 - 01/16/17 01:44 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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:strokebeard: But being miserable is a part of abstinence. Being miserable is a part of life. Being miserable is why you started drinking when you stopped opioids. I think, in my opinion, when you are making such massive life changes such as getting clean from drugs, that's the time to go full force and leave most of your unhealthy habits/coping mechanisms behind you otherwise the self doubt and excuses are slowly going to build up until you can't cope anymore.

I know my words will sound unrealistic and I'm not saying change your lifestyle around in a day or week but you've got to be extremely wary of what choices you make  :hugitout:




:hahthatscute:  Yeah, right, I'm going to start getting up an hour early so I can run a few miles before work too.  No I'm a firm believer in lasting change being well paced, realistic, and thoughtful.  Otherwise it just gets too overwhelming.  Honestly what I'm trying to do is hard enough.

TBH I am very wary when people say that foods that have been part of the human diet for 1000s of years are bad, I just want to steer away from foods that are engineered to be cheap and addictive.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie] * 1
    #24014804 - 01/16/17 01:51 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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...I also made a cheesecake yesterday with a load of coconut cream, blueberries, peanut butter, and honey and crushed digestives in the base which was amazing.



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Maybe switch your heavy meat and starch meal to breakfast and a few eggs for dinner? Your body will use the high calorie meal throughout the day!




Breakfast is a tough one for me.  I usually don't eat it until my first break at work since I never want to get up earlier than I already do, and I only get 15 minutes.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24014815 - 01/16/17 01:55 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Work is enabling my cookie addiction. Help.


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    #24014847 - 01/16/17 02:04 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Seal the cookies in a secure container and send them to me and I will make sure they are properly disposed of.  :grin:

Yeah work is making me fat, I bring my own lunch and then the ladies there bring me food and then work gives us free snacks.  It's totally cruel to treat me so bad :shakefist:  I don't even have any real stress.  Like I am struggling to manage it and I don't have any kids or a second job after my regular job like some people do. 

Maybe I should just get one of those tapeworm pills they sold in the early 20th century. :strokebeard:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24014872 - 01/16/17 02:14 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I'm a hypocrite, I do the same lol I've been trying lately though I really have :smile:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24015142 - 01/16/17 03:53 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

:rofl: if you'd asked 2 weeks ago I woulda sent you a bag of Christmas cookies. I ate waaaay too many of them.

But red velvet cookies with white chocolate is surprisingly amazing...


Anyway when I started working here I gained like 20lbs. Or near enough. Like every time we had an anniversary or retirement or "moral rousing" event there was cake and cookies. Every summer they'd give us ice cream. And theyd have fund raising bake sales. And our luncheons were always pizza. Oiy office life. The sad thing is that's how they reward us and it kinda works cuz i don't look forward to shit else. And because I'd get bored as fuck I'd often munch out on candy bars and shit.

So near the end of that year I was like "guys plz I can't eat gluten I'll die."
And because they want to keep up "moral" they accommodated me by including fruit when they gave us desserts or when we had pizza they'd order wings, when we had olive garden at our Christmas party they got me chicken and potatoes. And I actually did stick to the diet for nearly a year before Christmas rolled back around and I was like ...fuck. COOKIES
But by then it was fine. I lost the weight and got into the habit of eating a breakfast of yogurt or fruit and only snacking on granola (the whole grain shit, not the sugary shit), nuts, or peanut butter crackers.

So for work I'd say have something that will accommodate your cravings but elect for healthier options (always have a bar of dark chocolate in my desk) and as for a diet overall - start out more restrictive than you intend to be. Not only does this help you 'detox' but it also helps your tastebuds adjust and appreciate things like fruits and vegetables more.


And speaking of fruits and vegetables, I fell in love with casseroles on my diet. Throw a bunch of veggies or vegetable noodles in with some sauce and it's a casserole :lol:. There are also higher calorie bread and fruit varieties that you can make light on sugar but still satisfy a sweet tooth.
Plus casseroles are like the easiest shit to make. Get a big glass dish, mix your shit together, throw it in the dish, throw it in the oven, and leave it till it's time to eat it.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #24015334 - 01/16/17 05:18 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Breakfast is a tough one for me.  I usually don't eat it until my first break at work since I never want to get up earlier than I already do, and I only get 15 minutes.





I will never understand this sentiment!

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Re: Change in diet [Re: yogabunny]
    #24015468 - 01/16/17 06:18 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah for much of my life I would forego eating until dinner.  I still really don't get hungry until later in the day, but like cookiecrumbs said eating is all I have to look forward to at work, especially now that I don't smoke cigarettes.  I will show up in the morning and not even be hungry, but I'll already be thinking about lunch because at least it is something to shove into the gaping hole inside me.

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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24016279 - 01/16/17 11:56 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Start small with your changes, work your way up, soon the healthy stuff will be easy, and you'll prefer it over the garbage.

Don't be to hard on yourself, everybody slips up from time to time, the important thing is realizing that if you continue to slip up, you'll be 40 years old and not able to see your penis, that's gotta be like the second death for a guy.

Do what works for you, everyone is different.  I have tried eating ways my sibling would eat, but I can't eat like that all the time, but I need some of what he likes occasionally, just not everyday like he does.

Also, people consume healthy stuff in large quantities, and they think that just because it's considered healthy, then it's OK, but you can still become overweight by smashing healthy stuff.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: Lucis]
    #24016623 - 01/17/17 06:52 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I gotta stop putting maple syrup on my oatmeal squares and Raisin Bran


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Re: Change in diet [Re: yogabunny]
    #24016803 - 01/17/17 08:56 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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Breakfast is a tough one for me.  I usually don't eat it until my first break at work since I never want to get up earlier than I already do, and I only get 15 minutes.





I will never understand this sentiment!

I need to eat ASAP after I wake up.




It's the same for me generally except just after my period, then my appetite plummets for about a week which is great. Then I become ravenous again for the rest of the month and breakfast is an absolute MUST! I think it's a hormonal thing (definitely for me anyway).


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24017303 - 01/17/17 12:51 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

For thde most part I physically can't eat as soon as I wake up. And generally I can't do a carb or meat heavy breakfast. Stomach gets angry. Which is why I usually eat fruit or yogurt.


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    #24017587 - 01/17/17 02:35 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Yeah the only time I ever eat a real breakfast is when I can lay in bed and rest for a couple hours after waking, otherwise I don't really crave anything other than black coffee.  I'm tempted to put an electric kettle and french press right next to my bed actually, because so often I want coffee but don't want to leave bed to get it.

I've never really been a morning eater, and my sister is the same way, so I think it is genetic.  Sometimes I will make myself eat an orange or a banana or a granola bar or something like that if I am feeling peckish, but I never want a meal.


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    #24017658 - 01/17/17 02:59 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Eat a banana with peanut butter in the morning. Goes down easy, is good protein and a decent amount of calories and it'll warm your stomach up for when you get home from work so you can eat a lot more than you would have been able to


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    #24017774 - 01/17/17 03:53 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I don't like the texture of most yogurt. I wish I did because it seems like a really healthy food that I want to eat more of.


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    #24017841 - 01/17/17 04:20 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I don't like the texture of plain yogurt all that much either. I usually have fruit and granola in it. Isn't nearly so overwhelming that way.


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    #24017849 - 01/17/17 04:23 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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I don't like the texture of most yogurt. I wish I did because it seems like a really healthy food that I want to eat more of.




You ever try keffir or w/e it is called?  It's like liquid yogurt.  Pretty good.


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I don't like the texture of most yogurt. I wish I did because it seems like a really healthy food that I want to eat more of.




You ever try keffir or w/e it is called?  It's like liquid yogurt.  Pretty good.




I have not. But I have been thinking about making that mushroom keffir someone around here posted a tek for not long ago. :mushroom2:


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    #24020894 - 01/18/17 06:22 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

:strokebeard: are we talking store mushrooms or poop variety?  Either way I'm intrigued.

Anyway I made it another day without a drink and only ate fresh foods.  I did have a soda with lunch but it was a local craft root beer, so I think it qualifies as a vegetable or something.

Breakfast- Bread and cheese (just a tiny bit of cheese, and also some jalapeno stuffed olives in brine or w/e olives come in)

Lunch- Couple slices of roast beef and a potato

Dinner- Soup with a little french bread

Just had the rest of my french bread and an avocado, a carrot, and might have a little chips and pineapple salsa or celery and PB if I can't fall asleep soon.  Not even really hungry just bored.  I wonder if it would actually be healthier to take up smoking cigs again :bored: I'm gonna try and weigh myself tomorrow so I can track any progress, but I always forget to do it on one of the scales at work.


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    #24021538 - 01/18/17 10:03 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Psilocybe varieties.
Also I fuckin love root beeeeer!
Jalapeño stuffed olives are also fuckin delicious.
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    #24021771 - 01/19/17 12:33 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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I don't like the texture of most yogurt. I wish I did because it seems like a really healthy food that I want to eat more of.




You ever try keffir or w/e it is called?  It's like liquid yogurt.  Pretty good.




I enjoy the taste of kefir a lot, but it is usually sky high in sugar.

I like to put roasted peanuts in my banana yogurt    :laugh:


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    #24037772 - 01/25/17 04:42 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

So I'm 205#.  More than I'd thought.  It's funny because sometime in December I joked that if I keep eating like shit I will break 200 by the new year, and apparently I made it.


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    #24037799 - 01/25/17 05:08 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Have you tried intermittent fasting at all?

I guess the science behind it is that humans never evolved to eat at regular intervals, we just eat when foods available (which is way instant snacks and fast food are so appealing, instant calories = short-term survival and reproduction). There's lots of stuff online about it, anyway it's really helped me.

Usually I have my first meal at 2-3PM (trying to get to 4PM) and finish eating around 8-9.

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    #24037948 - 01/25/17 07:43 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

If I don't eat and I've been up all night I get sick. Like rn I'm forcing down a piece of after one hour sleep last night.


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    #24038430 - 01/25/17 11:36 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Have you tried intermittent fasting at all?

I guess the science behind it is that humans never evolved to eat at regular intervals, we just eat when foods available (which is way instant snacks and fast food are so appealing, instant calories = short-term survival and reproduction). There's lots of stuff online about it, anyway it's really helped me.

Usually I have my first meal at 2-3PM (trying to get to 4PM) and finish eating around 8-9.

Good luck on your journey




I disagree. I would imagine, most of the time, that the early humans did have regular food sources, they were expert hunter-gatherers and finding "snacks" would have been easy, excluding rare situations like natural disasters and travelling through harsher environments.
It's why our bodies are so efficient at storing excess nutrients and macros, so we can use use it (fat) when we really needed it.

I could see any fasting being counter productive for people who live healthy to be healthy (e.g. build muscle, speed, endurance, etc, etc) and not just to lose weight for aesthetics :strokebeard:
And considering Moon is trying to recover from addictions/lifes issues, his body needs valuable micro and macro nutrients to recover.


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    #24038622 - 01/25/17 01:05 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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So I'm 205#.  More than I'd thought.  It's funny because sometime in December I joked that if I keep eating like shit I will break 200 by the new year, and apparently I made it.



You need to start a real diet and start exercising if you want to lose weight


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    #24038763 - 01/25/17 02:05 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

For breakfast I only have a whey protein shake and 2-4 hard boiled eggs. You can buy them already cooked and shelled. I eat a gram of protein per pound of body weight when I lift so I'm a high protein guy.

Here are some tasty suggestions I like in my diet:

Avocados. Get your avocado game on. When they are organic and have just become ripe enough to eat they are so damn good. Cut those bitches in half and eat em with a spoon. Add a little sea salt or olive oil if you need to.

Cocktail shrimp. They have frozen bags and even frozen trays of these shrimp for a decent price. If you like shrimp it's a good snack. Just thaw out before you eat.

For homemade soups you can basically start most soups with celery, onion, garlic and salt. Add some carrot and ground turkey or chicken. Hell even some of those frozen shrimp. Boom.

The key is just finding what works for you and sustaining it. Sounds like you are easing into a stricter diet and that is a well thought out plan in my opinion. Nice move! Good luck man!


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    #24038784 - 01/25/17 02:16 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Yeah personally I'm skeptical of people saying "oh early man lived like this so this is what we are meant to do."  That isn't how it works IMO.  I'm not someone who gets really out of it if I don't eat, but I just feel better in general if I eat regularly, and plus like I said it is all I have to look forward to these days.

And yeah as well as having a good balance of nutrients I think it's good that I don't stress myself out too much trying to fast and lost alot of weight quick.  My main goals are to cut out alcohol, soda, and fast food, which I have made improvements on but slipped up a couple times.  NBD.  There are plenty of quality foods that I like alot better, that stuff is more just an addiction.

I'm gonna take a body pic soon for my own tracking purposes.  Everyone keeps telling me I don't look 205# but I think they are just being nice.  I do think if I can cut some of this fat I will be a ton more solid than I was before.


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So I'm 205#.  More than I'd thought.  It's funny because sometime in December I joked that if I keep eating like shit I will break 200 by the new year, and apparently I made it.



You need to start a real diet and start exercising if you want to lose weight




What is a "real diet"?  I don't "exercise" that much I'm usually too tired and sore already, but I am far from sedentary.


Personally I'm skeptical of people saying "oh early man lived like this so this is what we are meant to do."  That isn't how it works IMO.  I'm not someone who gets really out of it if I don't eat, but I just feel better in general if I eat regularly, and plus like I said it is all I have to look forward to these days.

And yeah as well as having a good balance of nutrients I think it's good that I don't stress myself out too much trying to fast and lost alot of weight quick.  My main goals are to cut out alcohol, soda, and fast food, which I have made improvements on but slipped up a couple times.  NBD.  There are plenty of quality foods that I like alot better, that stuff is more just an addiction.

I'm gonna take a body pic soon for my own tracking purposes.  Everyone keeps telling me I don't look 205# but I think they are just being nice.  I do think if I can cut some of this fat I will be a ton more solid than I was before.


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    #24038998 - 01/25/17 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

You have to eat at a caloric deficit to lose weight. You have to be burning more calories than you consume, that's the only way to lose weight. Start a real diet as in start eating healthier foods every single day. You physically won't be able to eat the same amount of calories as you are now if you switch to healthier foods. It's not even expensive to eat healthy either. Switching to water is a given.

Go to Walmart, buy a great value 10lb bag of frozen chicken breast for $22, buy a couple seasonings and marinades for $10, get the largest great value egg carton available. Get noodles, a large amount of rice, doesn't even have to be brown, I eat white rice every day. Get a couple bags of frozen vegetables(broccoli, carrots, corn). Get some frozen potatoes slices or some sort of carb for breakfast.

Eat eggs, a carb and some fruit every day for breakfast. It's cheap, easy and healthy and even 5 eggs, a couple servings of some frozen potatoes slices and fruit, which would be a rather large breakfast, would only be like 700 calories.

A whole chicken breast is only 130 calories. Eat 2 or 3 chicken breasts and some carbs for lunch and you shouldn't go above 700 or 800.

For dinner it's really your call but I eat chicken twice a day and usually some other meat for a 4th meal but since you're not exercising you shouldn't be eating a ton. Do 5 minutes of cardio today. Do 6 minutes tomorrow. 7 the day after. There's no excuse not to and I bet if you don't start now then when you actually do decide to start, you'll think, "wow, I should've started this back then." You'll thank yourself even within a week. A month from now you'll feel like a brand new person and 2 months after that you're going to wonder how you used to live like you do now


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    #24039289 - 01/25/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

OMG I would rather be 300lbs than eat that much walmart chicken.  Part of this change is that I'm going to eat quality food.  Not necessarily healthy, but if I'm going to get fat it's not going to be shit from walmart and mcdonalds, no offense I'm not above that but I can do better.


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    #24039504 - 01/25/17 06:31 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Don't force yourself to do what other people say e.g. the generic bodybuilding diets/meals that involves 7 protein shakes, 74 eggs, 5 chicken breasts and 8kg of rice a day.
You know what is healthy and what will work for you. You've got plenty of examples in here to get you started, Moon :hug:


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    #24039585 - 01/25/17 07:08 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Thanks man.  I am planning to start tracking and playing around with calorie counts and stuff, but that feels like a but much for me right now.  There's a million things I want to do in my life and I only have so much time and energy.  I'm not sure my life would be that much better if I lost 20lbs or whatever, but I know I will feel better if I cut out shit food and alcohol.  I'm pretty sure I will lose weight too just doing that.


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    #24039706 - 01/25/17 08:12 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Forget about losing weight and restrictive, linear thinking. Look at the long term goal; staying healthy and away from a bad lifestyle. People get this linear thinking and they'll obsess over specific fat areas, usually the stomach (or whatever your specific insecurity is) :lol: They'll look in the mirror and go "Shit, I look horrible and haven't changed. Fuck trying to live healthy, I suck". Try to avoid this, the body takes fat from wherever it wants in the body... and this is including visceral fat (fat we can't even see)
And yup, you will lose the weight and you WILL feel so much better, simply with the healthy lifestyle change.
I discovered when I started eating healthily, the energy and urge to start exercising (hell, even move around in anyway... tidy the house.... go out the back garden to move... walk to shops) automatically occurred so don't worry or doubt the energy will come, give it time. It eventually built up until I was *healthily* obsessed with it.



It'll be second nature with consistency, you'll look back and have a giggle on how the little things where such a big fuss. It happens to everyone :hug:


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OMG I would rather be 300lbs than eat that much walmart chicken.  Part of this change is that I'm going to eat quality food.  Not necessarily healthy, but if I'm going to get fat it's not going to be shit from walmart and mcdonalds, no offense I'm not above that but I can do better.



Walmart chicken breast is still chicken breast. It's still extremely healthy :facepalm:

EDIT: The utter ignorance in that reply was striking. Editing to let you know I'm cooking some wal mart chicken breast right now. Much health


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    #24040410 - 01/26/17 04:45 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Yeah people coming in with their unrealistic fad diets when it's clear that's not what I'm looking for is kinda striking I agree.

Frozen chicken and frozen veg every day.  No thanks.  :puke:


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EDIT: The utter ignorance in that reply was striking. Editing to let you know I'm cooking some wal mart chicken breast right now. Much health




Have a watch of this video. The title is about gynecomastia but it's about the detrimental effects some food has on hormones in general.

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    #24040524 - 01/26/17 07:11 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Yeah, I know about Gyne. I don't think I'm suspectible to it. I'm going to end up taking steroids and even then I doubt I'll get any degree of it.

@MRM- whatever, man. It's not unrealistic in the slightest. If you salt pepper, butter and top some broccoli with cheese it's delicious. Same deal if you marinade and season a chicken breast. Maybe if you ever get off your high horse you'll get in shape.


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    #24040591 - 01/26/17 07:53 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

:hahthatsrich:

Completely fails to watch the video and understand what it was about. Admits to using steroids and then tries to insult someone elses capability to work hard.
Let's be honest, you're the type of "bodybuilder" who is merely obsessed with the world of aesthetics and not health. You live in a world of vicious lifestyle cycles, never really happy with who you are.

I don't have a problem with your lifestyle, it's just funny to read when you try to bring someone else down. 


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    #24041676 - 01/26/17 03:41 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

It's just silly that I am making these clearly positive changes and you're like, "if you want to lose weight you've got to go on a chicken only diet."  I'm not saying it won't work for you, it might, but I know it won't work for me and my lifestyle.  You've got a very naive outlook on things, and I promise that when you get older there will be things you think now that you realize are just stupid.  Good luck with steroids.


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    #24041729 - 01/26/17 04:03 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Have you tried using a calorie tracking app? I use MyFitnessPal and it's a pretty handy app. I just ran with it eating how I normally did for a week and was surprised how much I was eating per day. It's easy to just eat and forget what you're eating, but tracking it helps a lot. I have a garmin watch that tracks runs as well and it adjusts my calorie intake per day to my weight goals.

It's not perfect by any means, but it helped me go from gaining fat weight to losing it pretty quickly. It's like, a large fry at a fast food place is 500 calories. For a while I was just like, fuck it who cares, can't be eating that much throughout the day that it really matters. But when I looked at it all, it was pretty clear that food choices like that might have been what was sending me over the top everyday. Or having a soda here and there as well. Tons of sugar. It's like, I knew all that, but seeing it broken down for the week put a whole new twist on it for me.


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:strokebeard: not a bad idea, thanks. 

I just went for a run I was pleasantly surprised how well my cardio has held up despite the extra weight.  I guess nearly eliminating cigs has really paid off.


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I have a garmin watch that tracks runs as well and it adjusts my calorie intake per day to my weight goals.







I have a garmin, but it's the cheapo one, so doesn't do all that fancy stuff, I only use to to measure distance ran/cycled and speed/pace.

Maybe this year I will buy one specifically for dual sports, I could use it, thinking about adding swimming to the mix this year, so might be helpful.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24041850 - 01/26/17 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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moonrockmushy said:

I'm gonna take a body pic soon for my own tracking purposes.  Everyone keeps telling me I don't look 205# but I think they are just being nice.  I do think if I can cut some of this fat I will be a ton more solid than I was before.





Nothing wrong with being over 200lbs if you're tall enough, but probably not a good idea if you're shorter in stature.  I am not asking for you to post your height though, probably not wise to post your weight/height on a drug site, you know identification information, whatever.

I wouldn't worry about your weight, or your BMI since BMI is an epic lie, instead go by how your clothes fit, you can gain weight, and actually lose inches in your waist, also remember we have a tendency to eat more/store fat during colder months, this is a natural process IMO, just make sure if you're eating more, to not be eating junk food, or lots of sugar, white sugar is poison, try to substitute monk fruit or stevia for sugar, stevia taste a bit more "green" than sugar, but you get used to it quick, plus you'll save your teeth some hell.  I usually gain around 2-3 lbs every winter, I believe this is due to SAD (seasonal affective disorder) and lack of vitamin D, I consume D capsules, and eat eggs, but still always get the winter blues bad and realize even if I am restricting my calories to 2500-3000, I still store fat easier.


I am not one to poopoo anyone for using anything, but I know you like alcohol, and alcohol is what is going to screw you because it's so calorie dense, usually around 100cals per 1-OZ, and all carbs, which is why many people that drink on the regular have puffy faces, so many carbs, you'll notice those carbs more as you age, they get harder to burn off.


I also think being healthy has a lot to do with having a healthy state of mind, a positive mental image of yourself helps to make that a reality in all ways, this is why people with eating disorders are so tormented, because they view any fat as being bad fat, so they have lost the fight on two fronts because they have allowed their minds to hold sway over their physical form.  You're the master of your domain, believe that shit everyday bubba.


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