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    #24011542 - 01/15/17 09:00 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

So I'm making yet another go at self-improvement, which almost certainly will fail, but I'm not going to give up just yet.

The good news is I wont have to do much in order to call it an improvement.  The situation is pretty bad right now.  I drink an ungodly amount of liquor, chase that with soda, and eat fast food a couple times per week.

Went shopping last night and dropped a bunch of money on good food.  At the moment I am not focused on counting calories, just switching to better quality calories and more fruits/veg.

Will try to add to this as I go but here is my general approach so far:

Breakfast:
1 or 2 eggs on whole grain toast with butter
Black Coffee
Orange/Banana
Yogurt

Lunch:
Soup (canned or prepared soup lots of times, but I will spring for the "organic" vegan soups not cambells dog food quality shit.)
Salad

Dinner:
I'm just going to eat regular home cooked dinners and probably go out sometimes too, but try to cut out fried foods as much as I can.
Typical Meat & Starch combos.  Tacos, spaghetti, chicken and rice, steak and taters.  All with plenty of vegetable.

Snack: (probably where I need the most work)
Nuts
Avocado
Celery & PB
fresh & dried fruit
Olives/tomatoes/mushrooms/artichoke/veggies in olive oil/pickled/marinated with crackers
Chocolate almond/cashew/coconut milk
Chips & Salsa

Going to try and get more into making dank soups and salads, but for now I just want to cut out the things that I know are absolute shit.  If anyone has any opinions on any of these food items or advice on things I can use to supplement my list I'm interested to hear.

What is your favorite healthy meal or snack?


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24012149 - 01/15/17 12:48 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

If you stick to your plan that's already a vast improvement. But if you really want to optimize your diet you should try to cook at least one big meal(maybe for your dinner) with a lean meat, vegetables and healthy carbs. A soup and a salad is a pretty light lunch. Maybe make some burritos or tacos or some shit. I've changed my diet recently and I'm noticing vast changes in my body already. I only drink water and milk I've been eating eggs, chicken, rice, noodles, protein shakes, other meats and carbs and I've never had more energy or looked better in my life. I've gotten to the point where if I deviate from my diet I actually feel sick /:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24012164 - 01/15/17 12:52 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I don't count calories and I'm losing a crazy amount of weight plus gaining insane muscle, stamina, power, endurance, etc. I've never believed in counting anything.... it can make people feel so restricted and eventually lead to burnouts/binges.
It's down to the quality and type of food you consume.... plus working DAMN hard in the gym/during workouts.

No dairy - literally no benefit at all consuming dairy. It's just bad fat, sugar and calories. Dairy is also pro-inflammatory.
No/limited grains, including whole meal and rices - excess carbohydrates, pro-inflammatory. You can get carbohydrates/fiber from fruit, veg, seeds and nuts.
Limited meat - protein intake is often exaggerated, you can easily get protein from healthy sources, such as nuts and seeds.
Wholefoods, Fresh fruit and veg, nutrient dense food (nuts, seeds, lentils, beans, etc), diet high in healthy fats.

My favourite snack is a bowl of nuts or seeds with varied berries.... sounds boring, right? Nah. My state of mind now is I consume food for nourishment and health, not over pleasuring my senses :lol:
Favourite meal.... hmm... lightly boiled spinach + kale + broccoli with quinoa + chicken breast + cod (though, I'm giving veganism a go now) Also mix it up a bit with other veg, such as asparagus. Cover it in olive oil and sprinkle on a mix of herbs, baked it in oven for 10 minutes. Same with sweet potatoes.

You can make healthy eating exciting and tasty :highfive:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01]
    #24012195 - 01/15/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Yeah I will probably still do dairy, if not just for cheese alone, and I don't really feel the need to cut out grains or anything, I seem to tolerate them pretty well, though I am going to try and focus on mostly whole grain stuff.  I'd like to cut out meat too, but I don't want to take on too much at once.

I already only have soup for lunch alot of days.  I don't mind a light lunch at work, and it's nice to just grab a can in the morning and not have to worry about cooking.  I usually get fed stuff other people bring too.

Going to try to get into cooking more.  I'm actually on ok chef, but it's just so much work and I don't even have a kitchen for a little while due to construction so I've gotta make do with stuff I can do hotplate/crockpot style and washing dishes in the bathroom sink.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24013769 - 01/16/17 04:30 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I understand you wanna start slow but keep in mind, your diet and nutrition have massive effects on your mood and sense of well being and you might not even realise it (yet), which will lead to worsening cravings for alcohol/opioids.
Something that feels as normal as having wholemeal bread will lead to vicious insulin and blood sugar cycles.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01] * 1
    #24013776 - 01/16/17 04:45 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah who knows really, but I don't think the same rules apply for everyone.  The main issue is I can only make the changes I want to make.  Once I start adding in unrealistic goals I know none of it will happen, so I'm definitely gonna keep it to small changes that won't make me miserable.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24013805 - 01/16/17 05:50 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

:strokebeard: But being miserable is a part of abstinence. Being miserable is a part of life. Being miserable is why you started drinking when you stopped opioids. I think, in my opinion, when you are making such massive life changes such as getting clean from drugs, that's the time to go full force and leave most of your unhealthy habits/coping mechanisms behind you otherwise the self doubt and excuses are slowly going to build up until you can't cope anymore.

I know my words will sound unrealistic and I'm not saying change your lifestyle around in a day or week but you've got to be extremely wary of what choices you make  :hugitout:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24013886 - 01/16/17 07:16 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

They sound like very positive changes :thumbup:

I can't really think of anything you haven't mentioned re snacks. Avocados are amazing and I always like to snack on nuts between meals because they're really filling and healthy.

When it comes to nutrition, I think everyone is so different but it's important to remember that we need a certain amount of saturated fat to function. I'm tired of people demonising dairy. The commercial dairy industry is vile, but dairy itself isn't bad in small amounts. We evolved to eat it because of its high fat content, and we need saturated fats. I know this because last week I was a total idiot and ate virtually no 'unhealthy' saturated fat. As a result, the last couple of days I've suffered with extreme exhaustion, muscles feeling heavy as lead and barely able to move, in addition to my usual monthly hormonal imbalances.

I've been a vegetarian for years but I am beginning to suspect that my hormonal problems could be coming from my lack of lean protein. I read that wild salmon is supposed to be really good, so I ate some of that yesterday and today I actually feel a million times better. other things that are supposed to be really good: bananas, low fat natural yogurt, peanut butter, pumpkin seeds, steamed broccoli, eggs. So I will eat more of these and I think I will reluctantly start incorporating fish a few times a week to see if it helps. I also made a cheesecake yesterday with a load of coconut cream, blueberries, peanut butter, and honey and crushed digestives in the base which was amazing.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24013951 - 01/16/17 07:59 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

There is literally no benefits to consuming dairy. It's just cheap and easy. Dairy should be demonised, especially nowadays with the drugs they pump in the animals.
Of course we need saturated fats but you can get saturated fat from countless other sources, some you already mentioned such as avocados, peanuts, seeds and nuts. I also like coconut oil. Eating nutritious high fat foods then having dairy for its "saturated fats" just seems.... contradictory. to me.


Coconut Oil Contains Fatty Acids With Powerful Medicinal Properties
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In fact, coconut oil is one of the richest sources of saturated fat known to man, with almost 90% of the fatty acids in it being saturated.




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While a moderate intake of yogurt can actually help decrease inflammation with its gut-healing probiotics, dairy is also a source of inflammation-inducing saturated fats. On top of that, studies have connected full-fat dairy with disrupting our gut microbiome, actually decreasing levels of our good gut bacteria which are key players in reducing inflammation. And lastly, dairy is a common allergen, with about 1 in 4 adults having a difficulty in digesting milk, whether it's lactose intolerance or a sensitivity to its casein proteins. Either way, any type of allergen can trigger inflammatory reactions through the release of histamines. If you feel particularly bloated after a few blocks of cheese, you might consider cutting dairy from your diet.




The Dangers Of Dairy

Like everything, you can have dairy in moderation but almost all sources are addicting e.g. milkshakes, chocolate milk, cheese.
A tbsp of incredibly beneficial coconut oil or horrible dairy?  :strokebeard:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24013997 - 01/16/17 08:23 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
Yeah who knows really, but I don't think the same rules apply for everyone.  The main issue is I can only make the changes I want to make.  Once I start adding in unrealistic goals I know none of it will happen, so I'm definitely gonna keep it to small changes that won't make me miserable.



When food begins to lose it's flavor, you have to choke down every bite of every meal and you see it as nothing more than a blend of fat carbs and protein, you've started to make it


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01]
    #24014165 - 01/16/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Agreed, commercial dairy farming is the worst and there's no denying that coconut oil (as well as cream and milk) is highly nutritional. They contain high quantities of polyunsaturated 'healthy' fats which have amazing fat burning properties.

However, I firmly believe that we need a certain amount of 'bad' fats aka trans fats found in meat and dairy. Why? Because they are highly energy dense meaning that you need to consume LESS of them to sustain yourself for much longer than other fats which burn away more rapidly. This is the whole reason why we evolved to eat these types of fats in the first place. Ever notice that the colder the climate, the more meat and dairy the culture tends to consume? It's because these kinds of fats are highly energy rich. Perhaps, to an extent, it's because my ancestry is from colder climates, meaning that genetically I have evolved to need greater amounts of 'unhealthy' saturated fat, but I've tried going without dairy (whilst being vegetarian) and I get extremely ill EVERY TIME.

Also, you don't see babies who aren't breast fed being fed coconut milk do you? No, they're cow milk protein-based formulas. I suspect a child raised on coconut milk would be malnourished. Whilst it sucks, and I despise animal cruelty, there's meaning in the madness of the world sometimes. Not everything is a conspiracy.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24014358 - 01/16/17 11:08 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Agreed, commercial dairy farming is the worst and there's no denying that coconut oil (as well as cream and milk) is highly nutritional. They contain high quantities of polyunsaturated 'healthy' fats which have amazing fat burning properties.

However, I firmly believe that we need a certain amount of 'bad' fats aka trans fats found in meat and dairy. Why? Because they are highly energy dense meaning that you need to consume LESS of them to sustain yourself for much longer than other fats which burn away more rapidly. This is the whole reason why we evolved to eat these types of fats in the first place. Ever notice that the colder the climate, the more meat and dairy the culture tends to consume? It's because these kinds of fats are highly energy rich. Perhaps, to an extent, it's because my ancestry is from colder climates, meaning that genetically I have evolved to need greater amounts of 'unhealthy' saturated fat, but I've tried going without dairy (whilst being vegetarian) and I get extremely ill EVERY TIME.

Also, you don't see babies who aren't breast fed being fed coconut milk do you? No, they're cow milk protein-based formulas. I suspect a child raised on coconut milk would be malnourished. Whilst it sucks, and I despise animal cruelty, there's meaning in the madness of the world sometimes. Not everything is a conspiracy.




Saturated fats and trans/hydrogenated fats are completely different. Trans fats ARE a poison (literally illegal in some countries), commonly found in food like fried junk and fast food. I don't consider saturated fat bad fat.... it depends on your source.
Meat and dairy are easy to produce in cold climates and keep in mind the lifestyles of people living in *cold* climates, they are all extremely active and free from modern toxic environments/factors. 

I would not call it a conspiracy per say, it's just our culture and society now. Dairy, etc are so ingrained into our lifes it's going to be hard for alot of people to realise there is better options.... shit, the average person essentially lives on junk food anyways. 
But I certainly do feel the government don't have the populations best intentions at heart.... and I'm sure most people on this forum would agree  :smugjerry:

And I totally agree, you do what works for you, I'm just trying to give Moon a wide variety of information and his brightest chance at staying clean and healthy :hug:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01] * 1
    #24014379 - 01/16/17 11:17 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Maybe not trans fat then...but there is something about the fats in dairy that my body just NEEDS to function (whilst not eating meat anyway). It's been tried and tested many times by myself, so your argument that there are better sources of fat out there for 'everyone' is invalid. Nutritional requirements are unique to different individuals.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24014385 - 01/16/17 11:19 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

whoops didn't see the last part of your post. Peace :wink:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #24014496 - 01/16/17 12:07 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Maybe switch your heavy meat and starch meal to breakfast and a few eggs for dinner? Your body will use the high calorie meal throughout the day!


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Re: Change in diet [Re: daz01] * 1
    #24014785 - 01/16/17 01:44 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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:strokebeard: But being miserable is a part of abstinence. Being miserable is a part of life. Being miserable is why you started drinking when you stopped opioids. I think, in my opinion, when you are making such massive life changes such as getting clean from drugs, that's the time to go full force and leave most of your unhealthy habits/coping mechanisms behind you otherwise the self doubt and excuses are slowly going to build up until you can't cope anymore.

I know my words will sound unrealistic and I'm not saying change your lifestyle around in a day or week but you've got to be extremely wary of what choices you make  :hugitout:




:hahthatscute:  Yeah, right, I'm going to start getting up an hour early so I can run a few miles before work too.  No I'm a firm believer in lasting change being well paced, realistic, and thoughtful.  Otherwise it just gets too overwhelming.  Honestly what I'm trying to do is hard enough.

TBH I am very wary when people say that foods that have been part of the human diet for 1000s of years are bad, I just want to steer away from foods that are engineered to be cheap and addictive.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: rogue_pixie] * 1
    #24014804 - 01/16/17 01:51 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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...I also made a cheesecake yesterday with a load of coconut cream, blueberries, peanut butter, and honey and crushed digestives in the base which was amazing.



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Maybe switch your heavy meat and starch meal to breakfast and a few eggs for dinner? Your body will use the high calorie meal throughout the day!




Breakfast is a tough one for me.  I usually don't eat it until my first break at work since I never want to get up earlier than I already do, and I only get 15 minutes.


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24014815 - 01/16/17 01:55 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Work is enabling my cookie addiction. Help.


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    #24014847 - 01/16/17 02:04 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Seal the cookies in a secure container and send them to me and I will make sure they are properly disposed of.  :grin:

Yeah work is making me fat, I bring my own lunch and then the ladies there bring me food and then work gives us free snacks.  It's totally cruel to treat me so bad :shakefist:  I don't even have any real stress.  Like I am struggling to manage it and I don't have any kids or a second job after my regular job like some people do. 

Maybe I should just get one of those tapeworm pills they sold in the early 20th century. :strokebeard:


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Re: Change in diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24014872 - 01/16/17 02:14 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I'm a hypocrite, I do the same lol I've been trying lately though I really have :smile:


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