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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: MysticMoteToter] * 1
    #24078480 - 02/09/17 08:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't toss it.  Normal reishi growth looks gnarly as fuck.  I still say you probably have spores.

Here's an experiment you can do without a microscope - look thru the entire bag for pure surfaces.  You should be able to visibly see the pores, and with age and some species, they start to "hang down" or become "toothy", if that makes any sense.  Ie; not flat.  But you should be able to spot the pores.  I'll bet there's some in that bag.

Again, could be totally wrong and Cloudy got this one right, but give it a check.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Forrester]
    #24078499 - 02/09/17 08:57 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

i could probably keep it, but i kinda want to dissect the weird parts and see whats up, i'll post pics of the inside and such it's been this color for awhile. I'm just gonna cut the top off and take good closeups to see if theres pore surfaces.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #24078508 - 02/09/17 09:05 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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i could probably keep it, but i kinda want to dissect the weird parts and see whats up, i'll post pics of the inside and such it's been this color for awhile. I'm just gonna cut the top off and take good closeups to see if theres pore surfaces.




Haha, you got the curiosity in ya, so dissect the fuck outta that thing!  What the hell, you got more bags!  :laugh:

And yeah, I've very interested to see if you can find pore surfaces.  They're obviously not going to be on the bottoms of the (what are soon to be conks), but look all along the white surface on the inside of the bag.

Reishi can and will form resupinate pore surfaces like chaga in the wild. (ie; on the sides of the white growth without there even being a mushroom).  Sometimes they even strangely form on antlers without conks.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Forrester]
    #24078537 - 02/09/17 09:31 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Done dissected it haha :smile: the scientist in me took hold, what do you guys think?When I cut the top off there wasn't any sawdust so if it doesnt look totally fucked to you maybe it's good for tea :shrug:


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: MysticMoteToter] * 1
    #24078583 - 02/09/17 09:54 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm.... strange.  Not anything glaring, but I do see what could be pores in the top half of pic 3.  That could be the culprit, or not, hard to say.

Either way, give 'em a a good wash and they're definitely good for tea! 

or save up for a double extraction, even better :wink:


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #24078625 - 02/09/17 10:16 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

My reishi (sporeworks variety) get the same powderiness. I didn't know it was uncommon, but I have wondered about how some peoples' reishi have that deep red varnish.

When you touched the white leading growth was there any white powder?


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Speckles]
    #24078635 - 02/09/17 10:22 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

thats good to hear you get the same. i'm boiling the questionable parts now, the long side strip and they're dark red on the skin. the "weird ochre powder" washed off mostly with water before and now it's completely gone as the pots at a rolling boil. I think it's just spores of some kind, hopefully the reishi and not a mold haha

and the white part was mycelium patching it up where i'd cut off an antler about a week ago, i was just worried about the yellow/greenish/orange spores all over it :/


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: MysticMoteToter] * 1
    #24078766 - 02/10/17 12:25 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Right on, I don't think you need to worry. I meant the white leading edge of the antlers, when I touch mine a white powder comes off on my finger.

I looked at this powder under my scope early this week to compare it to a white powder that comes off of a culture I cloned from a Ganoderma oregonense this last fall. It's giving me grief, acts like reishi in jars but won't fruit.

Anyways that's off topic, here's a picture of the white powder from the leading growth edge of my antlers. It looks like spores, though that doesn't make sense because there are no visible pores on the antlers.



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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Speckles] * 1
    #24078811 - 02/10/17 01:21 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Ganoderma spores are always brown.

Under the microscope they will look something like this, you may need to look at those spores under a higher magnification but they don't look like reishi spores to me. Reishi spores tend to have a speckled pattern, though it is not always obvious depending on the focus, and the wall will be extra thick because there are actually two spore walls.

A clear example of the double wall



And speckles

G.lucidum


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And always brown, even close up






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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #24078815 - 02/10/17 01:22 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Those spores in your photo actually resemble cubensis spores to me. But I am not particularly familiar with those.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #24079186 - 02/10/17 09:27 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Great pics and info Mrcloudy!


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #24079662 - 02/10/17 01:19 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Right on, MrCloudy those are some awesomely detailed pictures. You're right those spores don't look like what I posted. My microscope is not very powerful, and that picture I posted was zoomed in with my camera quite a bit. I don't know what to make of those spores, because the only thing fruiting right now is the reishi. It could be a contaminant, but if so it is a strange one.

I saw that same powderiness as OP when I grew reishi in a mono, and this time I'm doing bottles in a mono and same thing. There is a difference between monos though, one had 3 bottles and the other had 9. The mini-mono with 3 bottles has darker fruits and the powderiness is more present on the other mono with the lighter fruits. It looks like what OP posted, but I'll put a couple pictures up later.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Speckles]
    #24080679 - 02/10/17 07:54 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Hmm, now I'm interested in the "powderiness" y'all are talking about.  Never seen it.  Have seen pores grow right on antlers before there was anything near a conk, but as Cloudy said, reishi spores are always brown.  Or what I would call "rust".  It's not like a dark brown, kinda reddish brown, looks like if you scraped the rust off an old car into a pile and powdered it.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Forrester]
    #24094886 - 02/16/17 09:28 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Spawned 3 bags on 1/26 and they're pinning :smile: hopefully this go should look less weird than the last haha


theres one pins thats a fatty little shmallow :laugh:


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #24132133 - 03/02/17 07:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Heres the bags as of today, they're yellowing again and i came across this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22808541#22808541 the person was having a similar experience and it was suggested but never confirmed or denied it could be phellinus linteus instead of reishi??

idk. I misted it a bit once pinning started and it started pulling away from the bag and it may be a little bacterial on the bottom because of sitting water but theres no overtly nasty spots minus the strange yellow color and some soaked mycelium where there was sitting water??

Hoping for some input again, thanks everyone. i know i asked but it's weird this grow's doing it like the last bag, if it's not spores it must be a mold tagging along or something right??


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #24132211 - 03/02/17 08:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Definitely not Phellinus, 100% Ganoderma.  The yellow is not really anything to be concerned of, the substrate can take on all sorts of odd colors.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #24132367 - 03/02/17 09:31 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, who knows about the whole mold thing, but that looks like a pretty healthy reishi grow really, those fruits look good and I wouldn't hesitate to use them.  Long as you can keep wiping off the "mold" or whatever it is, and check inside the mushrooms where it was after you harvest, just to make sure it didn't rot the fruits in any way.

If it is a mold it appears to be too weak to do much against your reishi.


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Definitely not Phellinus, 100% Ganoderma.  The yellow is not really anything to be concerned of, the substrate can take on all sorts of odd colors.




For sure.  That uniform yellow surface actually looks way cleaner than most of mine have.  I usually see all kinds of different colors, blobs, just gnarly looking in general.

Hey cloudy, what's your opinion on whether to "dump or not to dump" when it comes to the pooling of metabolites/water/whatever it is in the bottom of the bags/tubs?  Or do you not get that?

I used to get it in most of my grows.  Never seemed to matter much if I dumped it or not, so I just stopped dumping and let it pool, figured it'd leave 'em more moisture, and they might need it if it was metabolites.  Never seemed to cause bacterial issues even in larger substrates.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Forrester]
    #24135825 - 03/04/17 10:34 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)



Harvested a bag, weird how the yellow stuff only seems to grow on the nodes of none white antlers and on the substrate surface. Still stumped as fuck to what this is. but it comes mostly off relatively easy with a spray down.

Edit: I'm taking a wild guess, probably not a good guess, but could it be Fuligo septica just riding along w/ the reishi? I have 3 other bags that have just started pinning and i'm not going to mist them at all to see if dryer conditions will prevent it. maybe it was the misting that allowed the yellowing to take hold? idk this shits so weird.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: MysticMoteToter] * 1
    #24135871 - 03/04/17 10:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Nah, its not a contamination, or at least I do not think it is, this is a common thing that happens with reishi when growing in still damp air. Such as in a bag, I recently saw a Ganoderma collected in a cave somewhere in Europe that exhibited it. From my experience it is actually part of the mushroom not separate. I suppose it might be interesting to do some microscopy on it, though I am not sure if I have any sitting around.


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Re: Reishi beginning to fruit or bad bacteria? [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #24135880 - 03/04/17 10:56 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks Cloudy, i appreciate and trust your judgement. I feel safer about using em now haha, sorry i keep asking the same thing. Thanks again man

i wish i had a microscope and i'd take some pics that'd be more helpful. It's really weird that it seems to be forming on the nodes/joints of the reishi antlers v/s all over/randomly like a mold would.


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