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Martinique First Grow (pics)
    #24010782 - 01/14/17 08:33 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

After many hrs of study, finally came time to also buy new PC I just couldnt have success with my first one, now this time i think i have a clean culture... I made around 7-8 transfers from spore



Ive made LI and inoculated 14 jars, and they start showing life after only 2 days :laugh:

this is after 4 days 10.1.17



And after 9 days they are fully colonised I think and time for a shake...



17.1I spawned some to hpoo/verm/gypsum and some only topcased and put them in fruiting conditions


26.1 Introduced 3 trays into fruiting condition



4.2 Yeeeeeeeey i got my first babies they finally show life, happiest person alive :discorex:



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11.2 My bebies ready to harvest :yesnod:



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hpoo/verm tray


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got some beast :smile:




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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24011540 - 01/15/17 09:00 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Looking good!

He'll ya g2g can make that into all you need my friend :smile:

I take one pint "master " jar and turn that into ten qt jars.

With those ten qt jars I can take one jar and make 10-15 more. Maybe 20 at most.

So on and so forth...

Looking forward to the grow :smile:

The jar on the very left still has a few kernals of grain that arent fully white. I would wait for those to get fully colonized next time. Should only take one day probably

Also I like to tap all the grain kernals down that get stuck to the glass up high on the jar. Sometimes they get dry and dont get colonized it seems when left... just a thought. The kernels stuck to your jar are definitely all nice and white tho it seems :smile:


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24011636 - 01/15/17 09:44 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I hope they will recover within 24 hrs, if not than i should only topcase them right?

If they recover i must make the same thing  :yesnod:

Yeah i saw some grains were dry, next time ill try to tap them

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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24014075 - 01/16/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Ime most jars that dont pass the shake test are good to fruit however ud like. They just may have a hair of bacteria so treat accordingly

The real bad jars I toss out but good procedure will prevent most jars from being that bad ime.

I've also found waiting 24-48 hrs can be wise. After 24 hrs IF there is any spots of metabolites they will be very small. Waiting 24-48hrs can make allow these yellow spots to become larger and more noticeable.

Best of luck with this grow :smile:

P.s. Im an early shaker. I shake every two days religiously while the jars colonize  with most fast cultures like cubes and oyster and reishi


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24014465 - 01/16/17 11:55 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

thanks for ur advices bro  :headbanger:


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) (moved) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24068276 - 02/05/17 06:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) (moved) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24068340 - 02/05/17 06:56 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Those trays look pretty dry, hence the fruit coming from the sides.  You might mist them a bit more to help hydrate and get some pins forming in the middle.


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) (moved) [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24069135 - 02/06/17 05:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

It will be ok to mist them while fruiting ?


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24069171 - 02/06/17 06:11 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Looking good!

I take one pint "master " jar and turn that into ten qt jars.

With those ten qt jars I can take one jar and make 10-15 more. Maybe 20 at most.

So on and so forth...






I wouldn't do that actually. Professional spawn producers will only multiply spawn 3 times.
first time from agar to MotherSpawn A (MSA), second time from MSA to MSB and then a third time from MSB to spawn. after that they'll always start with a clean mycelium culture.

Senescence of the mycelium should be taken into account.


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) (moved) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24069214 - 02/06/17 07:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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It will be ok to mist them while fruiting ?



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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Haywire]
    #24069290 - 02/06/17 08:14 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)



quote]Haywire said:
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Raven44 said:
Looking good!

I take one pint "master " jar and turn that into ten qt jars.

With those ten qt jars I can take one jar and make 10-15 more. Maybe 20 at most.

So on and so forth...






I wouldn't do that actually. Professional spawn producers will only multiply spawn 3 times.
first time from agar to MotherSpawn A (MSA), second time from MSA to MSB and then a third time from MSB to spawn. after that they'll always start with a clean mycelium culture.

Senescence of the mycelium should be taken into account.




This needs to be verified haywire

According to what I know this is wrong in fact

The pic went up to the top and can't seem to fix it oh well..

Your missing one expansion haywire. I do this often. Haven't noticed any issues myself at least.the pic is out of Ggmm.

Op didn't realize ur  Updated your post... first you want to introduce into COLONIZATION conditions. Then u want to introduce to FRUITING conditions as soon as your pins have all set up.

Pasty has said he likes to initiate fruiting conditions when the pins have reached a height of 1 1/2"-2" tall. At that point they will produce their own micro climate amd will be able to handle the fae increase at that time.

Initiating fruiting conditions too early will mess up pin set and you won't get a even overloaded canopy

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3290155/an/0/page/0



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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24069304 - 02/06/17 08:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Pasty introduces fruiting conditions right at spawning actually.
There's no "colonization conditions" when you do that


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24069310 - 02/06/17 08:32 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Pasty introduces fruiting conditions right at spawning actually.
There's no "colonization conditions" when you do that




In his mini mono micro pore tape thread he just stated what I did...

Yes he leaves his micro pore tape set to fruiting conditions. However this is controlled by having tubs in a room with no fan during colonization.. then when pins are 1 1/2"-2" he bumps up fae by putting the tubs in a room with a fan.. I should habe quoted pasty my bad..

I never said anything aboit how he keeps his tape during colonization.  I only said he likes to bump up fae when pins are 1 1/2-2" tall

When u set up a tub from day one with fruiting conditions from day one.... there is still somewhat of a colonization mode in my mind. Because u will still take whatever measures needed to bump up fae come time. Take more tape off add fan to room ect. Granted some people set em and forget em as well but n optimally not. And saying there isn't a colonization mode may be somewhat confusing so I clarified

My links have a mind of their own today wanted to be at the top of the page I guess.

Op the links are to help with misting to keep em wet



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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24069324 - 02/06/17 08:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24069331 - 02/06/17 08:42 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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This needs to be verified haywire

According to what I know this is wrong in fact

The pic went up to the top and can't seem to fix it oh well..

Your missing one expansion haywire. I do this often. Haven't noticed any issues myself at least.the pic is out of Ggmm.







What I meant was that "and so on and so forth" which indicated to me an unlimited prolifiration of spawn was incorrect.

I can also tell you that in fact this is not wrong, as I have these production processes first hand.
Maybe for a casual grower this is not an issue but good practice makes good mushrooms.

Paul Stamets' GMM is not a bible. Not everything that flows out of his pen, is correct.


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24069334 - 02/06/17 08:43 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23651523/fpart/12/vc/1quote]bodhisatta said:
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I do my spawn run now in fruiting conditions right from day one.







I dont see why u posted this. Never doubted you I've already read that lol.

You need to re read mt posts u have taken them out of context.

I was only saying pasty initiates when they r 2" tall. Here is the quotes man...

Page 12 and 13 of the link...

Haywire, so on and so forth was me getting lazy assuming op knew what to do and when to stopnexpanding.

Sure everyone here spews ggmm isn't a bible so it was predictable for you to as well. However I dont see you challenging his info.

I couldn't imagine only expanding 3 times. That 4th expansion makes things a lot easier.

I go Petri to master jar. Master jar to qt jars. Qt jars to more qt jars. Then those qts go to bags if I want them to however I usually stop there cause I dont need bags very often.



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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24069343 - 02/06/17 08:49 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

You could g2g 1:10 1000 times
And end up with 1,000,000 jars of spawn from one original master.
And there will be no senescence if you do it in a reasonable amount of time

If it took you a year to do that then there's your problem. If you could do it in two weeks those 1,000,000 jars would be vigerous and good to go.

Fruiting conditions immediately means FAE pasty just gives more FAE later on. Fruiting conditions is not colonization conditions just because there's no fan on. I never use a fan period

It's an FAE bump which means there's already FAE because.... Theyre in fruiting conditions from day one


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24069353 - 02/06/17 08:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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You could g2g 1:10 1000 times
And end up with 1,000,000 jars of spawn from one original master.
And there will be no senescence if you do it in a reasonable amount of time

If it took you a year to do that then there's your problem. If you could do it in two weeks those 1,000,000 jars would be vigerous and good to go.

Fruiting conditions immediately means FAE pasty just gives more FAE later on. Fruiting conditions is not colonization conditions just because there's no fan on. I never use a fan period

It's an FAE bump which means there's already FAE because.... Theyre in fruiting conditions from day one




Agreed

However I simply wanted to state things how I did for clarifications for op.

My point is even tho its called fruiting conditions from day one co2 levels are still higher initially and they are still lowered come pin set time so..... I just wanted op to know its best to increase fae come pin set time still even when fruiting conditions from day one.

When I say increase fae come pin set time dont increase fae too much. Just enough. Its hard to say exactly what enough is.. watch close for how quickly the substrate surfactant is drying out. Dont want it drying out too rapidly...


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24069365 - 02/06/17 09:08 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

If your tub is in fruiting conditions the co2 will be under 1000ppm

Co2 is infinitely miscable with air so if your tub is anywhere near fruiting conditions co2 is removing itself.

You say "it's best" where's your proof. Youre just repeating after the greats.


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24069411 - 02/06/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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If your tub is in fruiting conditions the co2 will be under 1000ppm

Co2 is infinitely miscable with air so if your tub is anywhere near fruiting conditions co2 is removing itself.

You say "it's best" where's your proof. Youre just repeating after the greats.





Nah that was my own thought man.

U make a great point tho I've never measured co2 levels. If you have maybe ur right. What I was saying was jusy how I imagine it didn't mean to ruffle ur feathers or anything

I have no proof its simply how i imagine it'd work seemed logical to me. Now ill have to test it out one day

Hey op, in one of the links I posted he states that fruiting conditions from day one can often lead to that tub drying out if the tub isn't getting listed properly and kept wet accordingly. Therefore he also says how he likes to still tape holes and then initiate fruiting when pins set.

So if your fruiting from day one keep a close eye on moisture and make sure to keep the tubs misted accordingly


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24070005 - 02/06/17 02:29 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I have spawn them wait till fully colonise the sub and put them in fruiting condition

Here is my small tray... it has pinned more



This is a bigger tray of hpoo/verm



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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24074237 - 02/08/17 06:17 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

This is how they look today, and one of jars that have been in fruiting contition for more than 2 weeks only one showed life, hope the others will start soon



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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24074389 - 02/08/17 08:45 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

The tubs that you have the jars in as well as the tub you have the trays in.... they look really dry.

To keep humidity up in those tubs I would not only spray the substrate to keep it at field capacity but also spray the sides of the tub itself on the inside of the tub. That way the walls of the tub dont look dry but have rather have a nice collection of beaded water hanging out

Keeping those walls misted along with the bottom of the tote will help keep humidity up. Im thinking this may be your problems. Low humidity basically


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24074633 - 02/08/17 10:51 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

thank u bro... ill mist them right now :rockon:


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24074657 - 02/08/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

U may have already noticed but normally a mono tub would have a lot more substrate in it. Which in effect would also crest much more humidity via all the water the substrate holds along with some passive fae to keep a steady rate of evaporation which raises the humidity.

Since your tubs dont have as much substrate in them as a normal mono tub with substrate in thr bottom would... those little jars and trays with the amount of water they have in em are having a hard time keeping the humidity high enough in those tubs. So simply mist the sides and bottom as I said before.

Also make sure u have enough evaporation of the substrate happening via fanning the tub or a fan in the room ect.  If this isn't happening that can also be a cause of lower humidity and stale air creating carp pin set...

That's my best guess/in put for ya

If u feel u already have plenty fae going on then simply try misting the tub sides and bottom and also check out the links I posted and try to keep your substrate surface nice and moist with lol beads of water on top as explained in the links


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24074948 - 02/08/17 01:03 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

yeah that should be the problem, specialy for jars...

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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24076911 - 02/09/17 09:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Hey man why not just make a straw mono next time and skip the trays?

Im assuming spawn was limited this time but next time that's what I'd do :smile:


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24077119 - 02/09/17 11:04 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I have one straw mono colonising, idk if this straw is good, becouse in one tray it didnt colonise the whole thing, heres a pic



Acctualy at the bottom and the sides are all fully colonised only the top looks like this


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24077124 - 02/09/17 11:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Hey kastriotr, it would be really helpful if you would take a decent pic...all that you've posted are out of focus or dim or both.  Also, you might move on to an easier substrate to work with such as coir, which is kind of the current go-to.  Straw is a pain to work with.  If you look around on here, there aren't a lot of good cultivators using straw for cubes.


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24077165 - 02/09/17 11:28 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

yeah my cams focus was broken now its fixed... I know about coir but havent been able to find anywhere in here where i live, ive checked every petshop, and every home depot, i barely found verm lol... but i found a homedepot that will order for me but only high quantity till then i must work with straw and hpoo


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24080551 - 02/10/17 07:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

It's a big plus you have a fruiting culture btw

In the past I've transfered down to sectors and fruited multiple sectors at the same time. Had several that were non fruiters only formed knots never pinned. Were naum wang


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24080552 - 02/10/17 07:07 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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I have one straw mono colonising, idk if this straw is good, becouse in one tray it didnt colonise the whole thing, heres a pic



Acctualy at the bottom and the sides are all fully colonised only the top looks like this




Doesn't look to bad to me I'd still have high hopes for the tub


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24080653 - 02/10/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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It's a big plus you have a fruiting culture btw

In the past I've transfered down to sectors and fruited multiple sectors at the same time. Had several that were non fruiters only formed knots never pinned. Were naum wang




Ye i know im so lucky about that, now i will clone one fruit and see what will happen :crazy2:

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I have one straw mono colonising, idk if this straw is good, becouse in one tray it didnt colonise the whole thing, heres a pic



Acctualy at the bottom and the sides are all fully colonised only the top looks like this




Doesn't look to bad to me I'd still have high hopes for the tub




hope so man the straw tray is the biggest one... Also have one straw mono colonising in 2 days, ill post the pics :rockon:


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24082063 - 02/11/17 11:49 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Just harvested 50g fresh, gonna eat them fresh in few hrs



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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24087104 - 02/13/17 11:45 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

My straw mono... to case or not ?



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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24101386 - 02/18/17 09:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Im imagining straw would dry out on the surface rapidly if conditions aren't kept optimal the entire grow. Perhaps a casing could help a lot with that.

Nice updates

I think its interesting say Martinique have a unique "spiritual" effect on users.

Edit: mazatapec is said to have these effects not Martinique my mistake


Edited by Raven44 (02/19/17 05:04 PM)


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24101866 - 02/19/17 02:43 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

ye thanks man, i left the trays without caseing as u see in pic, but i have one tub that i cased ill post pics once im home

And ye ate 35 grams fresh, and talked to the god for hrs man hehe, never had stronger mushroom trip, even ate 4 grams of Serbica before but this was heavy :yesnod:


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
    #24103255 - 02/19/17 04:56 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Rock on

I was mistaken I just realized, its mazatapec that's said to give users a spiritual experience my mistake


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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
    #24103507 - 02/19/17 06:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

i think the dosage and individ will have to do the most with it


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