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Martinique First Grow (pics)
#24010782 - 01/14/17 08:33 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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After many hrs of study, finally came time to also buy new PC I just couldnt have success with my first one, now this time i think i have a clean culture... I made around 7-8 transfers from spore
 
Ive made LI and inoculated 14 jars, and they start showing life after only 2 days
this is after 4 days 10.1.17
  
And after 9 days they are fully colonised I think and time for a shake...
 
17.1I spawned some to hpoo/verm/gypsum and some only topcased and put them in fruiting conditions

26.1 Introduced 3 trays into fruiting condition

4.2 Yeeeeeeeey i got my first babies they finally show life, happiest person alive 

8.2
 
11.2 My bebies ready to harvest 

18/2 hpoo/verm tray
 
straw


got some beast

25.2

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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
#24011540 - 01/15/17 09:00 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Looking good!
He'll ya g2g can make that into all you need my friend 
I take one pint "master " jar and turn that into ten qt jars.
With those ten qt jars I can take one jar and make 10-15 more. Maybe 20 at most.
So on and so forth...
Looking forward to the grow 
The jar on the very left still has a few kernals of grain that arent fully white. I would wait for those to get fully colonized next time. Should only take one day probably
Also I like to tap all the grain kernals down that get stuck to the glass up high on the jar. Sometimes they get dry and dont get colonized it seems when left... just a thought. The kernels stuck to your jar are definitely all nice and white tho it seems
Edited by Raven44 (01/15/17 09:05 AM)
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
#24011636 - 01/15/17 09:44 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I hope they will recover within 24 hrs, if not than i should only topcase them right?
If they recover i must make the same thing 
Yeah i saw some grains were dry, next time ill try to tap them
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Neomorph]
#24014075 - 01/16/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Ime most jars that dont pass the shake test are good to fruit however ud like. They just may have a hair of bacteria so treat accordingly
The real bad jars I toss out but good procedure will prevent most jars from being that bad ime.
I've also found waiting 24-48 hrs can be wise. After 24 hrs IF there is any spots of metabolites they will be very small. Waiting 24-48hrs can make allow these yellow spots to become larger and more noticeable.
Best of luck with this grow 
P.s. Im an early shaker. I shake every two days religiously while the jars colonize with most fast cultures like cubes and oyster and reishi
Edited by Raven44 (01/16/17 09:09 AM)
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
#24014465 - 01/16/17 11:55 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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thanks for ur advices bro
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) (moved) [Re: Neomorph]
#24068276 - 02/05/17 06:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) (moved) [Re: Neomorph]
#24068340 - 02/05/17 06:56 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those trays look pretty dry, hence the fruit coming from the sides. You might mist them a bit more to help hydrate and get some pins forming in the middle.
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) (moved) [Re: Mycolorado]
#24069135 - 02/06/17 05:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It will be ok to mist them while fruiting ?
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
#24069171 - 02/06/17 06:11 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Raven44 said: Looking good!
I take one pint "master " jar and turn that into ten qt jars.
With those ten qt jars I can take one jar and make 10-15 more. Maybe 20 at most.
So on and so forth...
I wouldn't do that actually. Professional spawn producers will only multiply spawn 3 times. first time from agar to MotherSpawn A (MSA), second time from MSA to MSB and then a third time from MSB to spawn. after that they'll always start with a clean mycelium culture.
Senescence of the mycelium should be taken into account.
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) (moved) [Re: Neomorph]
#24069214 - 02/06/17 07:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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kastriotr said: It will be ok to mist them while fruiting ?
Yep
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Haywire]
#24069290 - 02/06/17 08:14 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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quote]Haywire said:
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Raven44 said: Looking good!
I take one pint "master " jar and turn that into ten qt jars.
With those ten qt jars I can take one jar and make 10-15 more. Maybe 20 at most.
So on and so forth...
I wouldn't do that actually. Professional spawn producers will only multiply spawn 3 times. first time from agar to MotherSpawn A (MSA), second time from MSA to MSB and then a third time from MSB to spawn. after that they'll always start with a clean mycelium culture.
Senescence of the mycelium should be taken into account.
This needs to be verified haywire
According to what I know this is wrong in fact
The pic went up to the top and can't seem to fix it oh well..
Your missing one expansion haywire. I do this often. Haven't noticed any issues myself at least.the pic is out of Ggmm.
Op didn't realize ur Updated your post... first you want to introduce into COLONIZATION conditions. Then u want to introduce to FRUITING conditions as soon as your pins have all set up.
Pasty has said he likes to initiate fruiting conditions when the pins have reached a height of 1 1/2"-2" tall. At that point they will produce their own micro climate amd will be able to handle the fae increase at that time.
Initiating fruiting conditions too early will mess up pin set and you won't get a even overloaded canopy
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3290155/an/0/page/0
Edited by Raven44 (02/06/17 08:36 AM)
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
#24069304 - 02/06/17 08:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pasty introduces fruiting conditions right at spawning actually. There's no "colonization conditions" when you do that
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24069310 - 02/06/17 08:32 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14508610#14508610Quote:
bodhisatta said: Pasty introduces fruiting conditions right at spawning actually. There's no "colonization conditions" when you do that
In his mini mono micro pore tape thread he just stated what I did...
Yes he leaves his micro pore tape set to fruiting conditions. However this is controlled by having tubs in a room with no fan during colonization.. then when pins are 1 1/2"-2" he bumps up fae by putting the tubs in a room with a fan.. I should habe quoted pasty my bad..
I never said anything aboit how he keeps his tape during colonization. I only said he likes to bump up fae when pins are 1 1/2-2" tall
When u set up a tub from day one with fruiting conditions from day one.... there is still somewhat of a colonization mode in my mind. Because u will still take whatever measures needed to bump up fae come time. Take more tape off add fan to room ect. Granted some people set em and forget em as well but n optimally not. And saying there isn't a colonization mode may be somewhat confusing so I clarified
My links have a mind of their own today wanted to be at the top of the page I guess.
Op the links are to help with misting to keep em wet
Edited by Raven44 (02/06/17 08:41 AM)
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
#24069324 - 02/06/17 08:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pastywhyte said:
I do my spawn run now in fruiting conditions right from day one.
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
#24069331 - 02/06/17 08:42 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Raven44 said:
This needs to be verified haywire
According to what I know this is wrong in fact
The pic went up to the top and can't seem to fix it oh well..
Your missing one expansion haywire. I do this often. Haven't noticed any issues myself at least.the pic is out of Ggmm.
What I meant was that "and so on and so forth" which indicated to me an unlimited prolifiration of spawn was incorrect.
I can also tell you that in fact this is not wrong, as I have these production processes first hand. Maybe for a casual grower this is not an issue but good practice makes good mushrooms.
Paul Stamets' GMM is not a bible. Not everything that flows out of his pen, is correct.
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24069334 - 02/06/17 08:43 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23651523/fpart/12/vc/1quote]bodhisatta said:
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Pastywhyte said:
I do my spawn run now in fruiting conditions right from day one.
I dont see why u posted this. Never doubted you I've already read that lol.
You need to re read mt posts u have taken them out of context.
I was only saying pasty initiates when they r 2" tall. Here is the quotes man...
Page 12 and 13 of the link...
Haywire, so on and so forth was me getting lazy assuming op knew what to do and when to stopnexpanding.
Sure everyone here spews ggmm isn't a bible so it was predictable for you to as well. However I dont see you challenging his info.
I couldn't imagine only expanding 3 times. That 4th expansion makes things a lot easier.
I go Petri to master jar. Master jar to qt jars. Qt jars to more qt jars. Then those qts go to bags if I want them to however I usually stop there cause I dont need bags very often.
Edited by Raven44 (02/06/17 08:51 AM)
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
#24069343 - 02/06/17 08:49 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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You could g2g 1:10 1000 times And end up with 1,000,000 jars of spawn from one original master. And there will be no senescence if you do it in a reasonable amount of time
If it took you a year to do that then there's your problem. If you could do it in two weeks those 1,000,000 jars would be vigerous and good to go.
Fruiting conditions immediately means FAE pasty just gives more FAE later on. Fruiting conditions is not colonization conditions just because there's no fan on. I never use a fan period
It's an FAE bump which means there's already FAE because.... Theyre in fruiting conditions from day one
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24069353 - 02/06/17 08:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You could g2g 1:10 1000 times And end up with 1,000,000 jars of spawn from one original master. And there will be no senescence if you do it in a reasonable amount of time
If it took you a year to do that then there's your problem. If you could do it in two weeks those 1,000,000 jars would be vigerous and good to go.
Fruiting conditions immediately means FAE pasty just gives more FAE later on. Fruiting conditions is not colonization conditions just because there's no fan on. I never use a fan period
It's an FAE bump which means there's already FAE because.... Theyre in fruiting conditions from day one
Agreed
However I simply wanted to state things how I did for clarifications for op.
My point is even tho its called fruiting conditions from day one co2 levels are still higher initially and they are still lowered come pin set time so..... I just wanted op to know its best to increase fae come pin set time still even when fruiting conditions from day one.
When I say increase fae come pin set time dont increase fae too much. Just enough. Its hard to say exactly what enough is.. watch close for how quickly the substrate surfactant is drying out. Dont want it drying out too rapidly...
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: Raven44]
#24069365 - 02/06/17 09:08 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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If your tub is in fruiting conditions the co2 will be under 1000ppm
Co2 is infinitely miscable with air so if your tub is anywhere near fruiting conditions co2 is removing itself.
You say "it's best" where's your proof. Youre just repeating after the greats.
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Re: Martinique First Grow (pics) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24069411 - 02/06/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If your tub is in fruiting conditions the co2 will be under 1000ppm
Co2 is infinitely miscable with air so if your tub is anywhere near fruiting conditions co2 is removing itself.
You say "it's best" where's your proof. Youre just repeating after the greats.
Nah that was my own thought man.
U make a great point tho I've never measured co2 levels. If you have maybe ur right. What I was saying was jusy how I imagine it didn't mean to ruffle ur feathers or anything
I have no proof its simply how i imagine it'd work seemed logical to me. Now ill have to test it out one day
Hey op, in one of the links I posted he states that fruiting conditions from day one can often lead to that tub drying out if the tub isn't getting listed properly and kept wet accordingly. Therefore he also says how he likes to still tape holes and then initiate fruiting when pins set.
So if your fruiting from day one keep a close eye on moisture and make sure to keep the tubs misted accordingly
Edited by Raven44 (02/06/17 09:33 AM)
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