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Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting?
#24010630 - 01/14/17 07:37 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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i was diagnosed last year with Complex Regional Pain Syndrome, and I really miss tripping. in fact, i think psychedelics may potentially play a role in my recovery.
CRPS is 24/7 pain, and in my case, the pain in my spine, especially my neck and entire back. i'm on heavy pain medications, including prescribed Ketamine, prescribed Cannabis, prescribed Oxycodone, prescribed Valium, prescribed Klonopin, and a few more. i am aware that i am overly-medicated and am working with a team of professionals to help lower that med count.
now, aside from wanting to escape this physical pain, i definitely have emotional issues that come with it. to anybody out there, and especially to those who suffer from any kind of chronic pain, is tripping LSD foreseeable in my future? or should i look at those experiences as "the good ole days"?...
last time i tripped was when i had the pain, 3 yrs ago. have had the pain for 4 years. the trip was amazing, maybe best one ever, but the pain was in the background during the peak and it interrupted my ability to soak it all in. any words of wisdom to a guy in serious pain, but who also wants to trip and overcome psychological/spiritual obstacles through psychedelics?...
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
#24010835 - 01/14/17 08:59 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I'm in the same boat, I feel for you. I find that tripping actually helps me, it gives me the ability to control my focus more and I'm able to put the pain into the background. It's not less intense, but it's less berating if you know what I mean. That said though on really bad days I probably wouldn't do it. Sometimes, right now actually, I feel almost normal, other times my neck, back, well, those are the worst, but every major joint in my body and some muscles hurt, sometimes I'll limp, can't turn my head fully, etc. I either have a form of arthritis or it's caused by cancer.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
#24010857 - 01/14/17 09:12 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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i too have chronic pain. However,...I discovered through meditation that the real source of pain is actually in the mind.
You can re-wire you pain control through the observation and awareness of it though meditation.
Takes time........perhaps years....but it can be done.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Vitalux]
#24011071 - 01/14/17 11:16 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24011215 - 01/15/17 01:27 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?
In a sense, all illnesses are in the mind because the body is also in the mind. Can you experience your body apart from your mind? But in the case of a physical illness, I think what is being said is that the real suffering the illness causes is in the mind, the resistance to it, the thinking that its bad or scary, the wanting to get away from it, etc. WHen you get rid of all your negative definitions about a certain condition, it can become possible to experience that condition as simply a sensation.
We don't realize how much the horrible suffering we go through in life is related to our wrong attitudes and wrong beliefs.
It's not demeaning either, it only sounds so because you have been socially conditioned not to think this way. Mental challenges are just as real (if not more real) than physical challenges, so a problem being "in your mind" should not automatically mean you should be able to just get over it. Most of the big physical problems people face in life, are simply outward manifestations of the misalignment of their minds.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24011500 - 01/15/17 08:40 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I'm in the same boat, I feel for you. I find that tripping actually helps me, it gives me the ability to control my focus more and I'm able to put the pain into the background. It's not less intense, but it's less berating if you know what I mean. That said though on really bad days I probably wouldn't do it. Sometimes, right now actually, I feel almost normal, other times my neck, back, well, those are the worst, but every major joint in my body and some muscles hurt, sometimes I'll limp, can't turn my head fully, etc. I either have a form of arthritis or it's caused by cancer.
thank you for your response. may i ask, how does the LSD put the pain in the background, in your experience?
i have gone through Ketamine Infusions (high dose IV) under doctor's supervision for CRPS. the pain is considered to be more severe than cancer pain, so i feel for you man. the Infusions helped to a certain degree, but nearly cost my sanity. i actually had a psychotic break for about a month. was touching fractals and shooting them off into the cosmos. it was insane, literally.
i watched "albert hofmann's: the substance" last night and i connected with a cancer patient in the documentary who underwent LSD psychotherapy for his cancer pain. there was another woman on there as well, who was receiving psilocybin for anxiety/depression related to cancer. i know that i may benefit from LSD, psilocybin, and/or MDMA because i now have severe PTSD, depression, and anxiety.
during the Ketamine Infusions, I was blacked out most of the time. it's like what i would imagine a thumbprint is like. i was crossing over to the other side and said "goodbye" to my family and this world. i was CONVINCED that i wasn't coming back. well, here i am...still full of fear and pain
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24011526 - 01/15/17 08:53 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I'm in the same boat, I feel for you. I find that tripping actually helps me, it gives me the ability to control my focus more and I'm able to put the pain into the background. It's not less intense, but it's less berating if you know what I mean. That said though on really bad days I probably wouldn't do it. Sometimes, right now actually, I feel almost normal, other times my neck, back, well, those are the worst, but every major joint in my body and some muscles hurt, sometimes I'll limp, can't turn my head fully, etc. I either have a form of arthritis or it's caused by cancer.
i cannot turn my head fully either. severe muscle and joint pain. i have arthritis as well. sounds like my situation is quite similar to yours...sometimes i do feel normal and that i could trip, but then the pain just comes right back and says "hi".
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
#24011564 - 01/15/17 09:08 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I live with mayofacial syndrome, chronic pain of the muscle casings.
There was a trip years ago where the pain was completely encompassing, and consequently ruined my time.
Nowadays I eat kratom before and during the experience, works like a charm without interaction.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: birdeatingspider]
#24011606 - 01/15/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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birdeatingspider said: I live with mayofacial syndrome, chronic pain of the muscle casings.
There was a trip years ago where the pain was completely encompassing, and consequently ruined my time.
Nowadays I eat kratom before and during the experience, works like a charm without interaction.
i hear you. i have myofascial pain as well, and i receive Myofascial Release 2x/week. i was given kratom once but was scared about potential harmful interactions with other meds i'm on. thanks for your response
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Peyote Road]
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krypto2000 said: You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?
In a sense, all illnesses are in the mind because the body is also in the mind. Can you experience your body apart from your mind? But in the case of a physical illness, I think what is being said is that the real suffering the illness causes is in the mind, the resistance to it, the thinking that its bad or scary, the wanting to get away from it, etc. WHen you get rid of all your negative definitions about a certain condition, it can become possible to experience that condition as simply a sensation.
We don't realize how much the horrible suffering we go through in life is related to our wrong attitudes and wrong beliefs.
It's not demeaning either, it only sounds so because you have been socially conditioned not to think this way. Mental challenges are just as real (if not more real) than physical challenges, so a problem being "in your mind" should not automatically mean you should be able to just get over it. Most of the big physical problems people face in life, are simply outward manifestations of the misalignment of their minds.
I was born with a genetic disorder that causes cancer asshole. I didn't will it into existence with the wrong kind of thinking. You're being very insensitive and rather delusional at that. Yes you can distance yourself from the pain with mental practice, but that doesn't mean everything is caused by it. That's a pretty arrogant way of thinking.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
#24011651 - 01/15/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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crispy86 said: thank you for your response. may i ask, how does the LSD put the pain in the background, in your experience?
It's the same effect you'll get from meditating, like the other guy said but w/o the bs mysticism and woo. It just allows you to control your focus. Think of it like when you're really into an activity you zone into it and forget w/e else is around you, it just kind of falls into the background. It's the same thing here. Any nagging thoughts that you can't do anything about, chronic pain for instance, you're much more able to let go of and focus on w/e it is you're doing.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
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crispy86 said: thank you for your response. may i ask, how does the LSD put the pain in the background, in your experience?
It's the same effect you'll get from meditating, like the other guy said but w/o the bs mysticism and woo. It just allows you to control your focus. Think of it like when you're really into an activity you zone into it and forget w/e else is around you, it just kind of falls into the background. It's the same thing here. Any nagging thoughts that you can't do anything about, chronic pain for instance, you're much more able to let go of and focus on w/e it is you're doing.
okay, makes sense. thank you for your response. much appreciated. if i'm utterly terrified on a daily basis, psychologically, despite having joyfully taken LSD many times back in college, should i wait?...or should i use the tool to overcome my fear of fear itself? this is something i have struggled with for quite some time, and i know i am not alone in that regard
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
#24011760 - 01/15/17 10:16 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I don't know what to tell you to do, psychedelics are very personal. You'll have to figure that out for yourself. Nothing bad will happen though you know? If you don't like it it will end in 6-12 hours.
I want to apologize for calling the above guy an asshole too. I'm sorry, I should not have said that. I'm sure you're coming from a good place, but it just offended me and I got upset.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24011778 - 01/15/17 10:22 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I don't know what to tell you to do, psychedelics are very personal. You'll have to figure that out for yourself. Nothing bad will happen though you know? If you don't like it it will end in 6-12 hours.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said: You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?
In a sense, all illnesses are in the mind because the body is also in the mind. Can you experience your body apart from your mind? But in the case of a physical illness, I think what is being said is that the real suffering the illness causes is in the mind, the resistance to it, the thinking that its bad or scary, the wanting to get away from it, etc. WHen you get rid of all your negative definitions about a certain condition, it can become possible to experience that condition as simply a sensation.
We don't realize how much the horrible suffering we go through in life is related to our wrong attitudes and wrong beliefs.
It's not demeaning either, it only sounds so because you have been socially conditioned not to think this way. Mental challenges are just as real (if not more real) than physical challenges, so a problem being "in your mind" should not automatically mean you should be able to just get over it. Most of the big physical problems people face in life, are simply outward manifestations of the misalignment of their minds.
I was born with a genetic disorder that causes cancer asshole. I didn't will it into existence with the wrong kind of thinking. You're being very insensitive and rather delusional at that. Yes you can distance yourself from the pain with mental practice, but that doesn't mean everything is caused by it. That's a pretty arrogant way of thinking.
We're all born imperfect in some way. I don't understand why you think I am insensitive or an asshole because I apparently see things differently from you. And I said, most not all problems or conditions. I never denied some people are born with major physical challenges. Nothing that I said was intended to place blame on you or make it seem like your fault, only to cause you to look deeper into the nature of sickness, and I say this as someone who has suffered tremendously in this lifetime and had/have many sicknesses.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Peyote Road]
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24016080 - 01/16/17 10:18 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?
Yes , the pain is in the mind.
However, belief plays a major role on how reality is perceived.
For example, in many cases, cancer is manifested by ones own belief.
Ironically, beliefs serve as a blockade to understanding nature of consciousness and subsequently reality.
The question is my friend, is your mind open, or closed? 
Here for example is a woman experiencing no pain, during a wisdom tooth extraction without anesthesia.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Vitalux]
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That is such a bunch of horseshit man. There's a fine line between positive thinking and outright delusion and you, my friend, have crossed it. My cancer is genetic. Before I was born I had a literal 50/50 chance of inherenting it. The moment my dad's sperm fertilized my mothers egg I was destined to have cancer, there's no way around that, I had cancer before I even had a mind. Take your hokey bullshit and shove it up your ass.
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I've had pancreatitis twice.....I'd love to see someone meditate THAT pain away. If I hadn't gotten medical relief, I would have meditated it away with a bullet in my head. That's a fact.
I hate it when people who have never experienced chronic pain or had chronic diseases say that it's in your head and you can will it away. I have RA and deal with most of my pain in the mornings when I wake.....it manifests during slumber....how the hell am I supposed to will it away when I'm asleep in the first place??
Back to the op though, I trip maybe once or twice a year and wait for a good day pain wise and psych wise. I tripped on mushrooms once with a sinus infection....never again. The mushrooms seemed to make the pain worse or , at least, I paid more attention to it. Minor pains are ok for me but certainly not anything over level 5.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Right on man. Meditation helps, pain meds help, exercise helps, but at the end of the day you're still in pain, you might just get some relief through one thing or another. Nothing is going to make it go away unless you actually cure the cause, and it's not negative thinking or some nonsense. You can't meditate or positively think your pain away anymore than you can positively think a material object into existence.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said: That is such a bunch of horseshit man. There's a fine line between positive thinking and outright delusion and you, my friend, have crossed it. My cancer is genetic. Before I was born I had a literal 50/50 chance of inherenting it. The moment my dad's sperm fertilized my mothers egg I was destined to have cancer, there's no way around that, I had cancer before I even had a mind. Take your hokey bullshit and shove it up your ass.
How could it be entirely genetic if you only had a 50% chance of inheriting it? If it was truly a genetic invevitability, it should be 100%. It's like those illnesses where the doctor comes out and says "well, I'm sorry to tell you this but you're screwed. Ninety percent of the people who have your disease die within five years". Well what about that other 10%? How is it they escape that supposed fate?
To me it sounds like you have beliefs and identifications around your illness which may not be serving your highest interests.
If you would like to explore the possibility of getting better you might want to watch this video which has been quite helpful to me personally in dealing with my health problems:
Alternatively if you are as happy as you are, you are to keep on telling yourself you have no choice but to be sick because "genetics" determined it.
And please don't interpret this as me saying that you having cancer is your fault and you should simply will it away. That is your interpretation of what I'm saying, not what I am actually saying. We are born into this toxic world full of toxic chemicals and toxic, sick people and fed lies about the nature of reality from the time we are born until now. We are given bad food, over stimulated with televsion, electronics, bombarded with negativity and toxic ideas and pressured into engaging in toxic behaviors our entire lives. You have to be an incredible hero to live in this world and not be sick in some way. So it is NOT your fault that you have cancer. But what is your fault is if you choose to ignore anything that contradicts your existing beliefs and refuse to even consider the possibility that you could do anything to get better.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24019425 - 01/18/17 09:17 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Yes you must be correct. The girl in the video I posted must be faking that she is not in pain.
Enjoy your beliefs to their fullest.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Peyote Road]
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Peyote Road said: How could it be entirely genetic if you only had a 50% chance of inheriting it? If it was truly a genetic invevitability, it should be 100%. It's like those illnesses where the doctor comes out and says "well, I'm sorry to tell you this but you're screwed. Ninety percent of the people who have your disease die within five years". Well what about that other 10%? How is it they escape that supposed fate?
To me it sounds like you have beliefs and identifications around your illness which may not be serving your highest interests.
If you would like to explore the possibility of getting better you might want to watch this video which has been quite helpful to me personally in dealing with my health problems:
Alternatively if you are as happy as you are, you are to keep on telling yourself you have no choice but to be sick because "genetics" determined it.
And please don't interpret this as me saying that you having cancer is your fault and you should simply will it away. That is your interpretation of what I'm saying, not what I am actually saying. We are born into this toxic world full of toxic chemicals and toxic, sick people and fed lies about the nature of reality from the time we are born until now. We are given bad food, over stimulated with televsion, electronics, bombarded with negativity and toxic ideas and pressured into engaging in toxic behaviors our entire lives. You have to be an incredible hero to live in this world and not be sick in some way. So it is NOT your fault that you have cancer. But what is your fault is if you choose to ignore anything that contradicts your existing beliefs and refuse to even consider the possibility that you could do anything to get better.
That's not how genetic inheritance works. You have two parents. When they combine to make a new person your genes get encoded with either the mothers or fathers genes (for this specific gene I'm referring to and most others, some are guaranteed one or the other). Therefore I had a 50/50 chance of having it. I could have been tested as a fetus to see if I had this gene before I was conscious. Regardless I do have this gene, as I have been tested, and when you have this gene you have a 95-100% chance of developing a type of cancer (also a 50% chance of developing another serious condition and an 80% chance of developing yet another serious condition). There is no one known to have this gene and not die of cancer unless they had their thyroid removed at a young age before any tumors could develop. If you break your leg can you positively think it into healing or do you have to wait like everyone else? This seems like delusional thinking to me.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Vitalux]
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I have chronic neck/spine pain. No diagnosis though. Doctors cant find anything. First I thought I could meditate, do yoga and find acceptance to not suffer from the pain. And it worked. Until it got worse. Some nights I sleep in a bad position, and then I'm fucked for a couple of days. Yoga and meditation helps, but it takes time to improve, and it takes one night to make it worse again... And the amount of yoga etc. needed is not really possible when working full time raising a family. I'm not doing any medications though. I'm just having shitloads of pain and being grumpy.
I have basically stopped tripping, waiting for this to improve. I had a bad experience with pain during a trip. It's wasn't a big problem, it was controllable. But it made the trip about just positioning my body in a good way to reduce pain. The focus was simply to reduce pain. That trip (or the last half of it when the problem had started) was not really worth it.
Maybe on a higher dose I would forget about the pain? Or maybe it would be worse? I don't really know. I'm trying things to improve my condition before I trip again.
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Vitalux said: Yes you must be correct. The girl in the video I posted must be faking that she is not in pain.
Enjoy your beliefs to their fullest.
Much Love 
You're saying love, but your words are demeaning... What part of your mind is doing that?
"The mind controls everything" is a lovely utopia. It's something you might think during a trip. But afterwards you need to root these thought; connect them to reality. You will find a solution somewhere between the extremes.
Or have you succeeded with this "there is no pain"-philosophy yourself? Can you think away the pain when someone stabs you? Or is this just some spiritual elitism propaganda?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Malkuthian]
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Vitalux said: Yes you must be correct. The girl in the video I posted must be faking that she is not in pain.
Enjoy your beliefs to their fullest.
Much Love 
You're saying love, but your words are demeaning... What part of your mind is doing that?
"The mind controls everything" is a lovely utopia. It's something you might think during a trip. But afterwards you need to root these thought; connect them to reality. You will find a solution somewhere between the extremes.
Or have you succeeded with this "there is no pain"-philosophy yourself? Can you think away the pain when someone stabs you? Or is this just some spiritual elitism propaganda?
I think you've misunderstood, he's being sarcastic in response to the other guy with the fantastical beliefs that everything is in the mind and reality doesn't exist.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said: I think you've misunderstood, he's being sarcastic in response to the other guy with the fantastical beliefs that everything is in the mind and reality doesn't exist.
I don't think I did. Vitalux has been advocating that all pain can be undone with your mind the entire thread...?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Malkuthian]
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Oh, maybe you're right, it's hard to take that as anything but sarcasm, but I think you're right lol. Well I'm convinced, I'm not going to the dr or getting surgery, I'm just going to think about rainbows and things will all be better.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
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Peyote Road said: How could it be entirely genetic if you only had a 50% chance of inheriting it? If it was truly a genetic invevitability, it should be 100%. It's like those illnesses where the doctor comes out and says "well, I'm sorry to tell you this but you're screwed. Ninety percent of the people who have your disease die within five years". Well what about that other 10%? How is it they escape that supposed fate?
To me it sounds like you have beliefs and identifications around your illness which may not be serving your highest interests.
If you would like to explore the possibility of getting better you might want to watch this video which has been quite helpful to me personally in dealing with my health problems:
Alternatively if you are as happy as you are, you are to keep on telling yourself you have no choice but to be sick because "genetics" determined it.
And please don't interpret this as me saying that you having cancer is your fault and you should simply will it away. That is your interpretation of what I'm saying, not what I am actually saying. We are born into this toxic world full of toxic chemicals and toxic, sick people and fed lies about the nature of reality from the time we are born until now. We are given bad food, over stimulated with televsion, electronics, bombarded with negativity and toxic ideas and pressured into engaging in toxic behaviors our entire lives. You have to be an incredible hero to live in this world and not be sick in some way. So it is NOT your fault that you have cancer. But what is your fault is if you choose to ignore anything that contradicts your existing beliefs and refuse to even consider the possibility that you could do anything to get better.
That's not how genetic inheritance works. You have two parents. When they combine to make a new person your genes get encoded with either the mothers or fathers genes (for this specific gene I'm referring to and most others, some are guaranteed one or the other). Therefore I had a 50/50 chance of having it. I could have been tested as a fetus to see if I had this gene before I was conscious. Regardless I do have this gene, as I have been tested, and when you have this gene you have a 95-100% chance of developing a type of cancer (also a 50% chance of developing another serious condition and an 80% chance of developing yet another serious condition). There is no one known to have this gene and not die of cancer unless they had their thyroid removed at a young age before any tumors could develop. If you break your leg can you positively think it into healing or do you have to wait like everyone else? This seems like delusional thinking to me.
Blah blah blah, 50%, 80%, 95% says who? SOme doctor? Cause I have not found them to be trustworthy. Why let someone else tell you what is going to happen to you? And if its 95% then why do 5% not get it? And even if 100% of people so far, that doesn't mean 100% of people throughout all eternity, nor does it mean it can't be cured or slowed down. I'm not saying deny reality and just ignore what the doctor says if you get dianosed with cancer, but don't limit yourself to believing you are powerless to affect your health and healing either. Do you really know what it even means to have cancer? What is cancer? What is life? do you really know?
If you break your leg, no you can't just instantly think it into healing but the rate of healing can certainly be influenced by your overall state of health, your diet and your mind and beliefs.
Why do you think there is a placebo affect? Why on earth would people who took a placebo feel better unless they could influence how they felt with their minds? You can literally begin changing your health this very minute, turning on the healing energies in your psyche and viewing things more positively. Of course it will take time to see concrete changes in physical reality but who is say it can't happen? I know it can and does happen because I have improved my own health this way. No I havent succeeded in totally thinking away my illnesses and I still have some major health challenges but I have seen significant improvements in my health and wellness simply by doing what Bentinho Massaro talks about in that video and I see no reason to place limits on what can be achieved in the future as I become more adept at the techniques. Why limit yourself into thinking you can't change your health?
This is the shroomery so my advice to you would be eat a couple grams and watch the video again and see if maybe it doesn't seem just a bit more possible.
The way physical reality works is that the content of your mind, over time becomes manifest in the physical. So if you are moving toward a healthy state of mind and being, you will manifest a more healthy body eventually but if you are moving toward a sicker, unhealthy state of being and way of thinking you will manifest more physical symptoms of illness.
Why do you think it is that people heal at such different rates and 2 people who have the same thing happen to them, one can recover completely while the other stays sick? Why do you think emotional support and laughter can aid so much in recovery from illnesses?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Peyote Road]
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Blah blah blah, 50%, 80%, 95% says who? SOme doctor? Cause I have not found them to be trustworthy. Why let someone else tell you what is going to happen to you? And if its 95% then why do 5% not get it?
50, 80, 95 says statistics. If you have 10 people and two develop chicken pox then statistically people have a 1/5 chance of developing chicken pox. That's just common logic man. I think you're trolling at this point, but I'll humor you for now. It's not 95%, it's 95-100%, and I actually miss-spoke earlier, it's not 95-100% that get cancer, it's 95-100% that die of cancer. Everyone with this gene has a genetic mutation that causes tumors to grow, period. Up to 5% do not die from it because, as you can hopefully surmise, they die from something else first.
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And even if 100% of people so far, that doesn't mean 100% of people throughout all eternity, nor does it mean it can't be cured or slowed down.
In this case it does as far as the cancer goes in so far if you're born with an asshole you're going to take shits. It's just a biological design flaw. You might as well tell someone who was born with no arms to think positively and he can be a surgeon one day.
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I'm not saying deny reality and just ignore what the doctor says if you get dianosed with cancer, but don't limit yourself to believing you are powerless to affect your health and healing either.
I never said that, and in general I agree with you here, but in my case and OP's positive thinking might help, but it's not going to change much in the long run. My cancer is pretty much out of my control as is OP's condition and many others. Positive thinking can help with the symptoms somewhat, but no one is going to say tylenol will cure a spinal problem.
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Do you really know what it even means to have cancer? What is cancer? What is life? do you really know?
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If you break your leg, no you can't just instantly think it into healing but the rate of healing can certainly be influenced by your overall state of health, your diet and your mind and beliefs.
Yeah, it can help the rate of healing just as eating healthy and taking good care of yourself will. So if I can re-cooperate from surgery faster, but in order to heal cancer faster you first have to heal from it at all and this isn't the kind of cancer your body might cure. This is the kind of cancer your body is biologically created to grow. Many conditions the body cannot heal from because it doesn't have the facilities to do so.
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Why do you think there is a placebo affect? Why on earth would people who took a placebo feel better unless they could influence how they felt with their minds? You can literally begin changing your health this very minute, turning on the healing energies in your psyche and viewing things more positively. Of course it will take time to see concrete changes in physical reality but who is say it can't happen? I know it can and does happen because I have improved my own health this way. No I havent succeeded in totally thinking away my illnesses and I still have some major health challenges but I have seen significant improvements in my health and wellness simply by doing what Bentinho Massaro talks about in that video and I see no reason to place limits on what can be achieved in the future as I become more adept at the techniques. Why limit yourself into thinking you can't change your health?
I never said positive thinking and w/e else does nothing. In fact my first post or two in the thread was to say that I've done it and it has helped, but that there are limits. There are limits because we live in reality. Just as I can't fly around the earth on my sofa faster than the speed of light I can't cure cancer, CRPS, or global warming with my mind, at all. You can sit in meditation as long as you want but CO2 emissions are not going to be affected.
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The way physical reality works is that the content of your mind, over time becomes manifest in the physical. So if you are moving toward a healthy state of mind and being, you will manifest a more healthy body eventually but if you are moving toward a sicker, unhealthy state of being and way of thinking you will manifest more physical symptoms of illness.
Why do you think it is that people heal at such different rates and 2 people who have the same thing happen to them, one can recover completely while the other stays sick? Why do you think emotional support and laughter can aid so much in recovery from illnesses?
I'm with you, again, I never said I didn't agree with this. Mental health decreases stress and allows your body and mind to function better, that's very logical. Mental health can't do everything though as I've explained and which most people accept as common logic and observation.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Malkuthian]
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Vitalux said: Yes you must be correct. The girl in the video I posted must be faking that she is not in pain.
Enjoy your beliefs to their fullest.
Much Love 
You're saying love, but your words are demeaning... What part of your mind is doing that?
"The mind controls everything" is a lovely utopia. It's something you might think during a trip. But afterwards you need to root these thought; connect them to reality. You will find a solution somewhere between the extremes.
Or have you succeeded with this "there is no pain"-philosophy yourself? Can you think away the pain when someone stabs you? Or is this just some spiritual elitism propaganda?
My friend, just because one interprets something one way  does not make it true. It is merely ones interpretation of reality from ones single perspective.
I cherish that everyone has the right to their beliefs.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Vitalux]
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Vitalux said: I cherish that everyone has the right to their beliefs.
Except when you mock people for having beliefs that contradicts your beliefs.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Malkuthian]
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Well he didn't say he respects all beliefs, just the fact that everyone has a right to believe whatever they want, however dumb or correct it may be.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24047158 - 01/28/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: That is such a bunch of horseshit man. There's a fine line between positive thinking and outright delusion and you, my friend, have crossed it. My cancer is genetic. Before I was born I had a literal 50/50 chance of inherenting it. The moment my dad's sperm fertilized my mothers egg I was destined to have cancer, there's no way around that, I had cancer before I even had a mind. Take your hokey bullshit and shove it up your ass.
My friend, as long as you play the victim harp
Life simpy will reward you that way.
There is a growing body of evidence out there that shows belief trumps everything. So you want to believe that you are a victim of genetics, enjoy.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: stevo]
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Unlike opiates though, which I'm not condoning either, you can't really take a couple grams of shrooms and go about your day, you literally have no idea what may happen. Opiates may be addicting but they're not particularly inebriating unless you're dosing rather heavy and trying to knock yourself out bc the pain is too unbearable. Generally I am very lucid and sober on mushrooms, but it's just not reliable so you can't count on it.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
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I tried jumping in the deep end to try and bypass the pain and the mind. I got stuck and it magnified the pain to the extreme.I would say to perhaps dip a toe in the water. See if it lifts your mood or magnifies the pain. Sometimes it causes severe pain and sometimes it eliminates severe pain. I can guarantee theres some kind of trickery afoot. The only way I would try again anytime soon is to take a small amount and mask it with MDMA. I'm looking forward to a good jubilant insanity with a grounded reflective afterglow. I'm sure it will come back around eventually.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Love_spirit]
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mushrooms taught me to sleep without a pillow on a hard matress, and sent chi gong teacher my way...suffering stopped almost. yea and i've quit using ethanol
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: stevo]
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stevo said: I have been suffering and still am suffering from an impacted wisdom tooth. On a scale of 1 to 10 this pain is like a 12 when it hits.
I have great compassion for your suffering and hope that soon you will get that tooth taking care of medically.
Pain is a good thing in that it certainly draws our immediate attention to things which the body finds a threat.
Many years ago I was amazed when I watched a program the showed people getting surgery, with no pain control or anesthesia. The only thing that had happened is that they were hypnotized.
I found this fascinating and it led to many years of interest in learning more about this phenomenon. There is a guy called Bruce Lipton that also gives lectures about how our minds can control a lot of things dealing with the way we view reality.
Question? Why don't you go see a dentist and get that troublesome tooth extracted or fixed?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: stevo]
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Don't worry man, if you live in the states Trump's going to fix our healthcare system so you can get that tooth taken care of.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: stevo]
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Go to a health food store or GNC and buy clove oil, organic if they have it. You can even go to food store and buy clove kernals from spice section but only if they are in balls. $10 max.
Rub on the gums where it hurts and it will eliminate or greatly reduce the pain. Fuck tooth aches you don't have to suffer.
OP, another thing that I greatly appreciate for pain management is daily excersise and stretching. And ice, alternating with heat.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: birdeatingspider]
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Have you checked in your area for poor people health services? I go to a place that prices the services based on your income. I make so little that I don't have to pay anything for basic dr and dental visits. Actually I now have a type of insurance through my local university which gives me everything for free, from surgery to dr visits, though I still have to pay a small fee for medication and I often have to wait months (and months) to see a specialist. I would be screwed right now without it though as I'm getting my surgery to remove the cancer with it.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
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Think that was for stevo?
Good beingup, krypto. stevo, get the clove oil and call every dentist in your area asking if they work with sliding scale.
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