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Peyote Road
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24019062 - 01/18/17 02:44 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: That is such a bunch of horseshit man. There's a fine line between positive thinking and outright delusion and you, my friend, have crossed it. My cancer is genetic. Before I was born I had a literal 50/50 chance of inherenting it. The moment my dad's sperm fertilized my mothers egg I was destined to have cancer, there's no way around that, I had cancer before I even had a mind. Take your hokey bullshit and shove it up your ass.
How could it be entirely genetic if you only had a 50% chance of inheriting it? If it was truly a genetic invevitability, it should be 100%. It's like those illnesses where the doctor comes out and says "well, I'm sorry to tell you this but you're screwed. Ninety percent of the people who have your disease die within five years". Well what about that other 10%? How is it they escape that supposed fate?
To me it sounds like you have beliefs and identifications around your illness which may not be serving your highest interests.
If you would like to explore the possibility of getting better you might want to watch this video which has been quite helpful to me personally in dealing with my health problems:
Alternatively if you are as happy as you are, you are to keep on telling yourself you have no choice but to be sick because "genetics" determined it.
And please don't interpret this as me saying that you having cancer is your fault and you should simply will it away. That is your interpretation of what I'm saying, not what I am actually saying. We are born into this toxic world full of toxic chemicals and toxic, sick people and fed lies about the nature of reality from the time we are born until now. We are given bad food, over stimulated with televsion, electronics, bombarded with negativity and toxic ideas and pressured into engaging in toxic behaviors our entire lives. You have to be an incredible hero to live in this world and not be sick in some way. So it is NOT your fault that you have cancer. But what is your fault is if you choose to ignore anything that contradicts your existing beliefs and refuse to even consider the possibility that you could do anything to get better.
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Vitalux
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24019425 - 01/18/17 09:17 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Yes you must be correct. The girl in the video I posted must be faking that she is not in pain.
Enjoy your beliefs to their fullest.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Peyote Road]
#24019442 - 01/18/17 09:26 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Peyote Road said: How could it be entirely genetic if you only had a 50% chance of inheriting it? If it was truly a genetic invevitability, it should be 100%. It's like those illnesses where the doctor comes out and says "well, I'm sorry to tell you this but you're screwed. Ninety percent of the people who have your disease die within five years". Well what about that other 10%? How is it they escape that supposed fate?
To me it sounds like you have beliefs and identifications around your illness which may not be serving your highest interests.
If you would like to explore the possibility of getting better you might want to watch this video which has been quite helpful to me personally in dealing with my health problems:
Alternatively if you are as happy as you are, you are to keep on telling yourself you have no choice but to be sick because "genetics" determined it.
And please don't interpret this as me saying that you having cancer is your fault and you should simply will it away. That is your interpretation of what I'm saying, not what I am actually saying. We are born into this toxic world full of toxic chemicals and toxic, sick people and fed lies about the nature of reality from the time we are born until now. We are given bad food, over stimulated with televsion, electronics, bombarded with negativity and toxic ideas and pressured into engaging in toxic behaviors our entire lives. You have to be an incredible hero to live in this world and not be sick in some way. So it is NOT your fault that you have cancer. But what is your fault is if you choose to ignore anything that contradicts your existing beliefs and refuse to even consider the possibility that you could do anything to get better.
That's not how genetic inheritance works. You have two parents. When they combine to make a new person your genes get encoded with either the mothers or fathers genes (for this specific gene I'm referring to and most others, some are guaranteed one or the other). Therefore I had a 50/50 chance of having it. I could have been tested as a fetus to see if I had this gene before I was conscious. Regardless I do have this gene, as I have been tested, and when you have this gene you have a 95-100% chance of developing a type of cancer (also a 50% chance of developing another serious condition and an 80% chance of developing yet another serious condition). There is no one known to have this gene and not die of cancer unless they had their thyroid removed at a young age before any tumors could develop. If you break your leg can you positively think it into healing or do you have to wait like everyone else? This seems like delusional thinking to me.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Vitalux]
#24019482 - 01/18/17 09:47 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I have chronic neck/spine pain. No diagnosis though. Doctors cant find anything. First I thought I could meditate, do yoga and find acceptance to not suffer from the pain. And it worked. Until it got worse. Some nights I sleep in a bad position, and then I'm fucked for a couple of days. Yoga and meditation helps, but it takes time to improve, and it takes one night to make it worse again... And the amount of yoga etc. needed is not really possible when working full time raising a family. I'm not doing any medications though. I'm just having shitloads of pain and being grumpy.
I have basically stopped tripping, waiting for this to improve. I had a bad experience with pain during a trip. It's wasn't a big problem, it was controllable. But it made the trip about just positioning my body in a good way to reduce pain. The focus was simply to reduce pain. That trip (or the last half of it when the problem had started) was not really worth it.
Maybe on a higher dose I would forget about the pain? Or maybe it would be worse? I don't really know. I'm trying things to improve my condition before I trip again.
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Vitalux said: Yes you must be correct. The girl in the video I posted must be faking that she is not in pain.
Enjoy your beliefs to their fullest.
Much Love 
You're saying love, but your words are demeaning... What part of your mind is doing that?
"The mind controls everything" is a lovely utopia. It's something you might think during a trip. But afterwards you need to root these thought; connect them to reality. You will find a solution somewhere between the extremes.
Or have you succeeded with this "there is no pain"-philosophy yourself? Can you think away the pain when someone stabs you? Or is this just some spiritual elitism propaganda?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Malkuthian]
#24019495 - 01/18/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Vitalux said: Yes you must be correct. The girl in the video I posted must be faking that she is not in pain.
Enjoy your beliefs to their fullest.
Much Love 
You're saying love, but your words are demeaning... What part of your mind is doing that?
"The mind controls everything" is a lovely utopia. It's something you might think during a trip. But afterwards you need to root these thought; connect them to reality. You will find a solution somewhere between the extremes.
Or have you succeeded with this "there is no pain"-philosophy yourself? Can you think away the pain when someone stabs you? Or is this just some spiritual elitism propaganda?
I think you've misunderstood, he's being sarcastic in response to the other guy with the fantastical beliefs that everything is in the mind and reality doesn't exist.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24019522 - 01/18/17 10:01 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I think you've misunderstood, he's being sarcastic in response to the other guy with the fantastical beliefs that everything is in the mind and reality doesn't exist.
I don't think I did. Vitalux has been advocating that all pain can be undone with your mind the entire thread...?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Malkuthian]
#24019681 - 01/18/17 11:15 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Oh, maybe you're right, it's hard to take that as anything but sarcasm, but I think you're right lol. Well I'm convinced, I'm not going to the dr or getting surgery, I'm just going to think about rainbows and things will all be better.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24021320 - 01/18/17 08:30 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Peyote Road said: How could it be entirely genetic if you only had a 50% chance of inheriting it? If it was truly a genetic invevitability, it should be 100%. It's like those illnesses where the doctor comes out and says "well, I'm sorry to tell you this but you're screwed. Ninety percent of the people who have your disease die within five years". Well what about that other 10%? How is it they escape that supposed fate?
To me it sounds like you have beliefs and identifications around your illness which may not be serving your highest interests.
If you would like to explore the possibility of getting better you might want to watch this video which has been quite helpful to me personally in dealing with my health problems:
Alternatively if you are as happy as you are, you are to keep on telling yourself you have no choice but to be sick because "genetics" determined it.
And please don't interpret this as me saying that you having cancer is your fault and you should simply will it away. That is your interpretation of what I'm saying, not what I am actually saying. We are born into this toxic world full of toxic chemicals and toxic, sick people and fed lies about the nature of reality from the time we are born until now. We are given bad food, over stimulated with televsion, electronics, bombarded with negativity and toxic ideas and pressured into engaging in toxic behaviors our entire lives. You have to be an incredible hero to live in this world and not be sick in some way. So it is NOT your fault that you have cancer. But what is your fault is if you choose to ignore anything that contradicts your existing beliefs and refuse to even consider the possibility that you could do anything to get better.
That's not how genetic inheritance works. You have two parents. When they combine to make a new person your genes get encoded with either the mothers or fathers genes (for this specific gene I'm referring to and most others, some are guaranteed one or the other). Therefore I had a 50/50 chance of having it. I could have been tested as a fetus to see if I had this gene before I was conscious. Regardless I do have this gene, as I have been tested, and when you have this gene you have a 95-100% chance of developing a type of cancer (also a 50% chance of developing another serious condition and an 80% chance of developing yet another serious condition). There is no one known to have this gene and not die of cancer unless they had their thyroid removed at a young age before any tumors could develop. If you break your leg can you positively think it into healing or do you have to wait like everyone else? This seems like delusional thinking to me.
Blah blah blah, 50%, 80%, 95% says who? SOme doctor? Cause I have not found them to be trustworthy. Why let someone else tell you what is going to happen to you? And if its 95% then why do 5% not get it? And even if 100% of people so far, that doesn't mean 100% of people throughout all eternity, nor does it mean it can't be cured or slowed down. I'm not saying deny reality and just ignore what the doctor says if you get dianosed with cancer, but don't limit yourself to believing you are powerless to affect your health and healing either. Do you really know what it even means to have cancer? What is cancer? What is life? do you really know?
If you break your leg, no you can't just instantly think it into healing but the rate of healing can certainly be influenced by your overall state of health, your diet and your mind and beliefs.
Why do you think there is a placebo affect? Why on earth would people who took a placebo feel better unless they could influence how they felt with their minds? You can literally begin changing your health this very minute, turning on the healing energies in your psyche and viewing things more positively. Of course it will take time to see concrete changes in physical reality but who is say it can't happen? I know it can and does happen because I have improved my own health this way. No I havent succeeded in totally thinking away my illnesses and I still have some major health challenges but I have seen significant improvements in my health and wellness simply by doing what Bentinho Massaro talks about in that video and I see no reason to place limits on what can be achieved in the future as I become more adept at the techniques. Why limit yourself into thinking you can't change your health?
This is the shroomery so my advice to you would be eat a couple grams and watch the video again and see if maybe it doesn't seem just a bit more possible.
The way physical reality works is that the content of your mind, over time becomes manifest in the physical. So if you are moving toward a healthy state of mind and being, you will manifest a more healthy body eventually but if you are moving toward a sicker, unhealthy state of being and way of thinking you will manifest more physical symptoms of illness.
Why do you think it is that people heal at such different rates and 2 people who have the same thing happen to them, one can recover completely while the other stays sick? Why do you think emotional support and laughter can aid so much in recovery from illnesses?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Peyote Road]
#24021412 - 01/18/17 09:09 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Blah blah blah, 50%, 80%, 95% says who? SOme doctor? Cause I have not found them to be trustworthy. Why let someone else tell you what is going to happen to you? And if its 95% then why do 5% not get it?
50, 80, 95 says statistics. If you have 10 people and two develop chicken pox then statistically people have a 1/5 chance of developing chicken pox. That's just common logic man. I think you're trolling at this point, but I'll humor you for now. It's not 95%, it's 95-100%, and I actually miss-spoke earlier, it's not 95-100% that get cancer, it's 95-100% that die of cancer. Everyone with this gene has a genetic mutation that causes tumors to grow, period. Up to 5% do not die from it because, as you can hopefully surmise, they die from something else first.
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And even if 100% of people so far, that doesn't mean 100% of people throughout all eternity, nor does it mean it can't be cured or slowed down.
In this case it does as far as the cancer goes in so far if you're born with an asshole you're going to take shits. It's just a biological design flaw. You might as well tell someone who was born with no arms to think positively and he can be a surgeon one day.
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I'm not saying deny reality and just ignore what the doctor says if you get dianosed with cancer, but don't limit yourself to believing you are powerless to affect your health and healing either.
I never said that, and in general I agree with you here, but in my case and OP's positive thinking might help, but it's not going to change much in the long run. My cancer is pretty much out of my control as is OP's condition and many others. Positive thinking can help with the symptoms somewhat, but no one is going to say tylenol will cure a spinal problem.
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Do you really know what it even means to have cancer? What is cancer? What is life? do you really know?
I don't even...
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If you break your leg, no you can't just instantly think it into healing but the rate of healing can certainly be influenced by your overall state of health, your diet and your mind and beliefs.
Yeah, it can help the rate of healing just as eating healthy and taking good care of yourself will. So if I can re-cooperate from surgery faster, but in order to heal cancer faster you first have to heal from it at all and this isn't the kind of cancer your body might cure. This is the kind of cancer your body is biologically created to grow. Many conditions the body cannot heal from because it doesn't have the facilities to do so.
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Why do you think there is a placebo affect? Why on earth would people who took a placebo feel better unless they could influence how they felt with their minds? You can literally begin changing your health this very minute, turning on the healing energies in your psyche and viewing things more positively. Of course it will take time to see concrete changes in physical reality but who is say it can't happen? I know it can and does happen because I have improved my own health this way. No I havent succeeded in totally thinking away my illnesses and I still have some major health challenges but I have seen significant improvements in my health and wellness simply by doing what Bentinho Massaro talks about in that video and I see no reason to place limits on what can be achieved in the future as I become more adept at the techniques. Why limit yourself into thinking you can't change your health?
I never said positive thinking and w/e else does nothing. In fact my first post or two in the thread was to say that I've done it and it has helped, but that there are limits. There are limits because we live in reality. Just as I can't fly around the earth on my sofa faster than the speed of light I can't cure cancer, CRPS, or global warming with my mind, at all. You can sit in meditation as long as you want but CO2 emissions are not going to be affected.
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The way physical reality works is that the content of your mind, over time becomes manifest in the physical. So if you are moving toward a healthy state of mind and being, you will manifest a more healthy body eventually but if you are moving toward a sicker, unhealthy state of being and way of thinking you will manifest more physical symptoms of illness.
Why do you think it is that people heal at such different rates and 2 people who have the same thing happen to them, one can recover completely while the other stays sick? Why do you think emotional support and laughter can aid so much in recovery from illnesses?
I'm with you, again, I never said I didn't agree with this. Mental health decreases stress and allows your body and mind to function better, that's very logical. Mental health can't do everything though as I've explained and which most people accept as common logic and observation.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Malkuthian]
#24022567 - 01/19/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Vitalux said: Yes you must be correct. The girl in the video I posted must be faking that she is not in pain.
Enjoy your beliefs to their fullest.
Much Love 
You're saying love, but your words are demeaning... What part of your mind is doing that?
"The mind controls everything" is a lovely utopia. It's something you might think during a trip. But afterwards you need to root these thought; connect them to reality. You will find a solution somewhere between the extremes.
Or have you succeeded with this "there is no pain"-philosophy yourself? Can you think away the pain when someone stabs you? Or is this just some spiritual elitism propaganda?
My friend, just because one interprets something one way  does not make it true. It is merely ones interpretation of reality from ones single perspective.
I cherish that everyone has the right to their beliefs.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Vitalux]
#24022801 - 01/19/17 12:15 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Vitalux said: I cherish that everyone has the right to their beliefs.
Except when you mock people for having beliefs that contradicts your beliefs.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Malkuthian]
#24022866 - 01/19/17 12:47 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Well he didn't say he respects all beliefs, just the fact that everyone has a right to believe whatever they want, however dumb or correct it may be.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
#24047158 - 01/28/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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Vitalux said: I cherish that everyone has the right to their beliefs.
Except when you mock people for having beliefs that contradicts your beliefs.
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krypto2000 said: That is such a bunch of horseshit man. There's a fine line between positive thinking and outright delusion and you, my friend, have crossed it. My cancer is genetic. Before I was born I had a literal 50/50 chance of inherenting it. The moment my dad's sperm fertilized my mothers egg I was destined to have cancer, there's no way around that, I had cancer before I even had a mind. Take your hokey bullshit and shove it up your ass.
My friend, as long as you play the victim harp
Life simpy will reward you that way.
There is a growing body of evidence out there that shows belief trumps everything. So you want to believe that you are a victim of genetics, enjoy.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: stevo]
#24049541 - 01/29/17 04:41 PM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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Unlike opiates though, which I'm not condoning either, you can't really take a couple grams of shrooms and go about your day, you literally have no idea what may happen. Opiates may be addicting but they're not particularly inebriating unless you're dosing rather heavy and trying to knock yourself out bc the pain is too unbearable. Generally I am very lucid and sober on mushrooms, but it's just not reliable so you can't count on it.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
#24049864 - 01/29/17 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 day ago) |
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I tried jumping in the deep end to try and bypass the pain and the mind. I got stuck and it magnified the pain to the extreme.I would say to perhaps dip a toe in the water. See if it lifts your mood or magnifies the pain. Sometimes it causes severe pain and sometimes it eliminates severe pain. I can guarantee theres some kind of trickery afoot. The only way I would try again anytime soon is to take a small amount and mask it with MDMA. I'm looking forward to a good jubilant insanity with a grounded reflective afterglow. I'm sure it will come back around eventually.
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Love_spirit]
#24050752 - 01/30/17 04:26 AM (7 years, 21 hours ago) |
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mushrooms taught me to sleep without a pillow on a hard matress, and sent chi gong teacher my way...suffering stopped almost. yea and i've quit using ethanol
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: stevo]
#24051638 - 01/30/17 12:39 PM (7 years, 13 hours ago) |
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stevo said: I have been suffering and still am suffering from an impacted wisdom tooth. On a scale of 1 to 10 this pain is like a 12 when it hits.
I have great compassion for your suffering and hope that soon you will get that tooth taking care of medically.
Pain is a good thing in that it certainly draws our immediate attention to things which the body finds a threat.
Many years ago I was amazed when I watched a program the showed people getting surgery, with no pain control or anesthesia. The only thing that had happened is that they were hypnotized.
I found this fascinating and it led to many years of interest in learning more about this phenomenon. There is a guy called Bruce Lipton that also gives lectures about how our minds can control a lot of things dealing with the way we view reality.
Question? Why don't you go see a dentist and get that troublesome tooth extracted or fixed?
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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: stevo]
#24051801 - 01/30/17 01:42 PM (7 years, 12 hours ago) |
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Don't worry man, if you live in the states Trump's going to fix our healthcare system so you can get that tooth taken care of.
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