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Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting?
    #24010630 - 01/14/17 07:37 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

i was diagnosed last year with Complex Regional Pain Syndrome, and I really miss tripping.  in fact, i think psychedelics may potentially play a role in my recovery. 

CRPS is 24/7 pain, and in my case, the pain in my spine, especially my neck and entire back.  i'm on heavy pain medications, including prescribed Ketamine, prescribed Cannabis, prescribed Oxycodone, prescribed Valium, prescribed Klonopin, and a few more.  i am aware that i am overly-medicated and am working with a team of professionals to help lower that med count.

now, aside from wanting to escape this physical pain, i definitely have emotional issues that come with it. to anybody out there, and especially to those who suffer from any kind of chronic pain, is tripping LSD foreseeable in my future? or should i look at those experiences as "the good ole days"?...

last time i tripped was when i had the pain, 3 yrs ago. have had the pain for 4 years. the trip was amazing, maybe best one ever, but the pain was in the background during the peak and it interrupted my ability to soak it all in. any words of wisdom to a guy in serious pain, but who also wants to trip and overcome psychological/spiritual obstacles through psychedelics?...


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
    #24010835 - 01/14/17 08:59 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I'm in the same boat, I feel for you. I find that tripping actually helps me, it gives me the ability to control my focus more and I'm able to put the pain into the background. It's not less intense, but it's less berating if you know what I mean. That said though on really bad days I probably wouldn't do it. Sometimes, right now actually, I feel almost normal, other times my neck, back, well, those are the worst, but every major joint in my body and some muscles hurt, sometimes I'll limp, can't turn my head fully, etc. I either have a form of arthritis or it's caused by cancer.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
    #24010857 - 01/14/17 09:12 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

i too have chronic pain.
However,...I discovered through meditation that the real source of pain is actually in the mind.

You can re-wire you pain control through the observation and awareness of it though meditation.

Takes time........perhaps years....but it can be done.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Vitalux]
    #24011071 - 01/14/17 11:16 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24011215 - 01/15/17 01:27 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?




In a sense, all illnesses are in the mind because the body is also in the mind. Can you experience your body apart from your mind? But in the case of a physical illness, I think what is being said is that the real suffering the illness causes is in the mind, the resistance to it, the thinking that its bad or scary, the wanting to get away from it, etc. WHen you get rid of all your negative definitions about a certain condition, it can become possible to experience that condition as simply a sensation.

We don't realize how much the horrible suffering we go through in life is related to our wrong attitudes and wrong beliefs.

It's not demeaning either, it only sounds so because you have been socially conditioned not to think this way. Mental challenges are just as real (if not more real) than physical challenges, so a problem being "in your mind" should not automatically mean you should be able to just get over it. Most of the big physical problems people face in life, are simply outward manifestations of the misalignment of their minds.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24011500 - 01/15/17 08:40 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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I'm in the same boat, I feel for you. I find that tripping actually helps me, it gives me the ability to control my focus more and I'm able to put the pain into the background. It's not less intense, but it's less berating if you know what I mean. That said though on really bad days I probably wouldn't do it. Sometimes, right now actually, I feel almost normal, other times my neck, back, well, those are the worst, but every major joint in my body and some muscles hurt, sometimes I'll limp, can't turn my head fully, etc. I either have a form of arthritis or it's caused by cancer.




thank you for your response. may i ask, how does the LSD put the pain in the background, in your experience? 

i have gone through Ketamine Infusions (high dose IV) under doctor's supervision for CRPS. the pain is considered to be more severe than cancer pain, so i feel for you man. the Infusions helped to a certain degree, but nearly cost my sanity. i actually had a psychotic break for about a month. was touching fractals and shooting them off into the cosmos. it was insane, literally.

i watched "albert hofmann's: the substance" last night and i connected with a cancer patient in the documentary who underwent LSD psychotherapy for his cancer pain. there was another woman on there as well, who was receiving psilocybin for anxiety/depression related to cancer. i know that i may benefit from LSD, psilocybin, and/or MDMA because i now have severe PTSD, depression, and anxiety.

during the Ketamine Infusions, I was blacked out most of the time. it's like what i would imagine a thumbprint is like. i was crossing over to the other side and said "goodbye" to my family and this world. i was CONVINCED that i wasn't coming back. well, here i am...still full of fear and pain


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24011526 - 01/15/17 08:53 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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krypto2000 said:
I'm in the same boat, I feel for you. I find that tripping actually helps me, it gives me the ability to control my focus more and I'm able to put the pain into the background. It's not less intense, but it's less berating if you know what I mean. That said though on really bad days I probably wouldn't do it. Sometimes, right now actually, I feel almost normal, other times my neck, back, well, those are the worst, but every major joint in my body and some muscles hurt, sometimes I'll limp, can't turn my head fully, etc. I either have a form of arthritis or it's caused by cancer.




i cannot turn my head fully either. severe muscle and joint pain. i have arthritis as well. sounds like my situation is quite similar to yours...sometimes i do feel normal and that i could trip, but then the pain just comes right back and says "hi".


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
    #24011564 - 01/15/17 09:08 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I live with mayofacial syndrome, chronic pain of the muscle casings.

There was a trip years ago where the pain was completely encompassing, and consequently ruined my time.

Nowadays I eat kratom before and during the experience, works like a charm without interaction.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #24011606 - 01/15/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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I live with mayofacial syndrome, chronic pain of the muscle casings.

There was a trip years ago where the pain was completely encompassing, and consequently ruined my time.

Nowadays I eat kratom before and during the experience, works like a charm without interaction.




i hear you. i have myofascial pain as well, and i receive Myofascial Release 2x/week. i was given kratom once but was scared about potential harmful interactions with other meds i'm on. thanks for your response


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #24011635 - 01/15/17 09:44 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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krypto2000 said:
You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?




In a sense, all illnesses are in the mind because the body is also in the mind. Can you experience your body apart from your mind? But in the case of a physical illness, I think what is being said is that the real suffering the illness causes is in the mind, the resistance to it, the thinking that its bad or scary, the wanting to get away from it, etc. WHen you get rid of all your negative definitions about a certain condition, it can become possible to experience that condition as simply a sensation.

We don't realize how much the horrible suffering we go through in life is related to our wrong attitudes and wrong beliefs.

It's not demeaning either, it only sounds so because you have been socially conditioned not to think this way. Mental challenges are just as real (if not more real) than physical challenges, so a problem being "in your mind" should not automatically mean you should be able to just get over it. Most of the big physical problems people face in life, are simply outward manifestations of the misalignment of their minds.




I was born with a genetic disorder that causes cancer asshole. I didn't will it into existence with the wrong kind of thinking. You're being very insensitive and rather delusional at that. Yes you can distance yourself from the pain with mental practice, but that doesn't mean everything is caused by it. That's a pretty arrogant way of thinking.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
    #24011651 - 01/15/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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thank you for your response. may i ask, how does the LSD put the pain in the background, in your experience? 





It's the same effect you'll get from meditating, like the other guy said but w/o the bs mysticism and woo. It just allows you to control your focus. Think of it like when you're really into an activity you zone into it and forget w/e else is around you, it just kind of falls into the background. It's the same thing here. Any nagging thoughts that you can't do anything about, chronic pain for instance, you're much more able to let go of and focus on w/e it is you're doing.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24011743 - 01/15/17 10:11 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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thank you for your response. may i ask, how does the LSD put the pain in the background, in your experience? 





It's the same effect you'll get from meditating, like the other guy said but w/o the bs mysticism and woo. It just allows you to control your focus. Think of it like when you're really into an activity you zone into it and forget w/e else is around you, it just kind of falls into the background. It's the same thing here. Any nagging thoughts that you can't do anything about, chronic pain for instance, you're much more able to let go of and focus on w/e it is you're doing.




okay, makes sense. thank you for your response. much appreciated. if i'm utterly terrified on a daily basis, psychologically, despite having joyfully taken LSD many times back in college, should i wait?...or should i use the tool to overcome my fear of fear itself? this is something i have struggled with for quite some time, and i know i am not alone in that regard


Edited by crispy86 (01/15/17 10:12 AM)


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: crispy86]
    #24011760 - 01/15/17 10:16 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

I don't know what to tell you to do, psychedelics are very personal. You'll have to figure that out for yourself. Nothing bad will happen though you know? If you don't like it it will end in 6-12 hours.

I want to apologize for calling the above guy an asshole too. I'm sorry, I should not have said that. I'm sure you're coming from a good place, but it just offended me and I got upset.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24011778 - 01/15/17 10:22 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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I don't know what to tell you to do, psychedelics are very personal. You'll have to figure that out for yourself. Nothing bad will happen though you know? If you don't like it it will end in 6-12 hours.




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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24013247 - 01/15/17 09:35 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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krypto2000 said:
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Peyote Road said:
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krypto2000 said:
You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?




In a sense, all illnesses are in the mind because the body is also in the mind. Can you experience your body apart from your mind? But in the case of a physical illness, I think what is being said is that the real suffering the illness causes is in the mind, the resistance to it, the thinking that its bad or scary, the wanting to get away from it, etc. WHen you get rid of all your negative definitions about a certain condition, it can become possible to experience that condition as simply a sensation.

We don't realize how much the horrible suffering we go through in life is related to our wrong attitudes and wrong beliefs.

It's not demeaning either, it only sounds so because you have been socially conditioned not to think this way. Mental challenges are just as real (if not more real) than physical challenges, so a problem being "in your mind" should not automatically mean you should be able to just get over it. Most of the big physical problems people face in life, are simply outward manifestations of the misalignment of their minds.




I was born with a genetic disorder that causes cancer asshole. I didn't will it into existence with the wrong kind of thinking. You're being very insensitive and rather delusional at that. Yes you can distance yourself from the pain with mental practice, but that doesn't mean everything is caused by it. That's a pretty arrogant way of thinking.




We're all born imperfect in some way. I don't understand why you think I am insensitive or an asshole because I apparently see things differently from you. And I said, most not all problems or conditions. I never denied some people are born with major physical challenges. Nothing that I said was intended to place blame on you or make it seem like your fault, only to cause you to look deeper into the nature of sickness, and I say this as someone who has suffered tremendously in this lifetime and had/have many sicknesses.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #24013316 - 01/15/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Fair enough.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24016080 - 01/16/17 10:18 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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You can't just say everyone's pain is in their mind. That's pretty demeaning. Is my cancer in my mind too?




Yes :yesnod:, the pain is in the mind.

However, belief plays a major role on how reality is perceived.

For example, in many cases, cancer is manifested by ones own belief.

Ironically, beliefs serve as a blockade to understanding  nature of consciousness and subsequently reality.

The question is my friend, is your mind open, or closed? :shrug:

Here for example is a woman experiencing no pain, during a wisdom tooth extraction without anesthesia.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Vitalux]
    #24017053 - 01/17/17 10:53 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

That is such a bunch of horseshit man. There's a fine line between positive thinking and outright delusion and you, my friend, have crossed it. My cancer is genetic. Before I was born I had a literal 50/50 chance of inherenting it. The moment my dad's sperm fertilized my mothers egg I was destined to have cancer, there's no way around that, I had cancer before I even had a mind. Take your hokey bullshit and shove it up your ass.


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    #24018122 - 01/17/17 06:33 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I've had pancreatitis twice.....I'd love to see someone meditate THAT pain away. If I hadn't gotten medical relief, I would have meditated it away with a bullet in my head. That's a fact.

I hate it when people who have never experienced chronic pain or had chronic diseases say that it's in your head and you can will it away. I have RA and deal with most of my pain in the mornings when I wake.....it manifests during slumber....how the hell am I supposed to will it away when I'm asleep in the first place??

Back to the op though, I trip maybe once or twice a year and wait for a good day pain wise and psych wise. I tripped on mushrooms once with a sinus infection....never again. The mushrooms seemed to make the pain worse or , at least, I paid more attention to it. Minor pains are ok for me but certainly not anything over level 5.


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Re: Any chronic pain sufferers out there able to take LSD anymore?...or is the pain too distracting? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24018408 - 01/17/17 08:09 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Right on man. Meditation helps, pain meds help, exercise helps, but at the end of the day you're still in pain, you might just get some relief through one thing or another. Nothing is going to make it go away unless you actually cure the cause, and it's not negative thinking or some nonsense. You can't meditate or positively think your pain away anymore than you can positively think a material object into existence.


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