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What should I do with this SGFC?
    #24008443 - 01/13/17 11:11 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Somebody gave me a nicely-built shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC), with many holes drilled everywhere and a built-in socket for a lightbulb. They also gave me about 20 half-pint jars. I figure this must've been designed for BRF cakes, but I've never tried that. I've been doing know agar-> rye-> monotub. Unfortunately, despite my successful agar and jars, my monotub is giving a shitty yield, so I was thinking of trying to SGFC as I think FAE might've been a big problem with my monotub. The plan is to use the SGFC and the monotub at the same time with the same strain and see which one performs better.



What should I do with the SGFC? Should I make BRF cakes with these half-pint jars I've got, or should I just use the half-pint jars to spawn more rye and put some trays in the SGFC (presumably using the same substrate I would otherwise use for the mono)?


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: hedgeclipper] * 1
    #24008468 - 01/13/17 11:27 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

4-5 inches perlite.

cakes rolled in verm resting on lids or whatever.
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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: mushboy]
    #24008664 - 01/14/17 01:31 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

It was literally implied in the question that I knew that.

The question was which is better? Are there any specific things I should know about? What do you do with the SGFC? Fan it? I can't seem to find a good tek on the tray in SGFC method.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: hedgeclipper]
    #24008702 - 01/14/17 01:53 AM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Basically, u need a metal rack, like those used in kitchens (they look white) and place your trays of cased grain or cased BRF cakes on it and watch the magic happen!

Or u can do PF cakes? :shrug:

Nice SGFC, very slick :yesnod:

Also, SGFC dont need fanning, but they do need misting when it looks/feels dry inside the chamber.

Make sure to elevate your SGFC off the ground at least 4 inches.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24008812 - 01/14/17 03:28 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Trays for sure im just curious why the switch back to pf tek. You say yields in the mono weren't great. But if your using agar i don't see how this is possible.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: tump]
    #24008901 - 01/14/17 05:17 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

SGFC are good for cakes... Thats pretty much it. You can fruit trays in it, but its kind of a hassle when you could just sit the trays in a mono way faster and easier.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #24009521 - 01/14/17 11:02 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Basically, u need a metal rack, like those used in kitchens (they look white) and place your trays of cased grain or cased BRF cakes on it and watch the magic happen!

Or u can do PF cakes? :shrug:

Nice SGFC, very slick :yesnod:

Also, SGFC dont need fanning, but they do need misting when it looks/feels dry inside the chamber.

Make sure to elevate your SGFC off the ground at least 4 inches.




thanks for the tip. I have some of those metal trays lying around, so I'll use them for sure. PF tek is just BRF but with verm, right (as shown here: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/)? I'm having a little trouble following all the acronyms on this board, because nobody ever defines their terminology at the beginning of their articles. :rolleyes:

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Trays for sure im just curious why the switch back to pf tek. You say yields in the mono weren't great. But if your using agar i don't see how this is possible.




The point is that I was given this old SGFC and half-pint jars for Christmas, and I'm trying to find a use for it, plus I want to experiment with multiple techniques. I was just thinking of doing BRF cakes because I've never tried them before and I was curious, but also because I happen to have all these half-pint jars and half a pint is not a lot of grain.

As for the monotub, I don't understand why the yield is bad. My agar, agar-> grain, and grain-> grain is great, but my grain-> fruiting is shitty. I got 600something g on the first flush, and like one shitty mushroom on the second. The yield-limiting step for me is fruiting conditions, 'cause the isolate is great and the substrate colonization is good too. I have a few theories, though. Temperature ranges from 67-71˚F only, box is not well enough sealed and mist quickly evaporates, and pure coir+verm is also maybe not enough nutrients. I was going to add coffee, but it got moldy, and i don't have poo. I think I might need to increase nitrogen content. Also, I have this weird chunky (instead of fine) vermiculite.

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SGFC are good for cakes... Thats pretty much it. You can fruit trays in it, but its kind of a hassle when you could just sit the trays in a mono way faster and easier.




...so maybe I should just use the SGFC for BRF cakes then anyways, since half-pint jars are a bit of a waste for spawning grain, eh?


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: hedgeclipper]
    #24009656 - 01/14/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I went back to cakes after I had moved on to bulk because I had the jars, I started fucking with LI which can easily colonize 1/2 pint brf jars in 4-5 days, and that fucking 105qt sgfc took too god damned long to make for me to just let it sit... Fuck that. With LI since I just opened the lid and dumped it into each cake I skipped the dry verm layer and just used polyfil lids...

Blah blah... Cakes are fun... Don't feel like you are taking a step backwards doing cakes.... It's just a different way of growing.



The mini tubs were spawned from the halfway spent cakes and contaminated pretty quick...


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: hedgeclipper]
    #24009657 - 01/14/17 12:04 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I saved my SGFC's as they are like a science project that is hands on. When I get burst grains from PCing that clumps too much, I put it in the magic bullet and use that in place of brown rice flour for PF tek.

I didn't mist much with the last batch for an experiment. Misting and fanning at first to induce pinning and mostly misting after, the design of the shotgun creates air current drawing in the humidity from the perlite. Sooo, I messed around and neglected it for a change. I had 11 cakes stacked up so it created a microclimate that was strong and that probably helped. They got kinda dry and the cakes died off quicker, only 2 flushes. I also tried 2 roasting trays (lined with plastic bags for easy disposal and reuse of trays) and it worked well. Coir and verm with casing.

I was wondering about your comment on mist evaporating quickly from your mono... Do you mean condensation or are you misting it? I use WBS and coir/verm with casing, never opened one until the first flush was ready. The temp her was around 79 daily and I had 3 strains producing huge fruits. I kept a jar for ones over 3 gram dry.

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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: Grambo]
    #24010794 - 01/14/17 08:37 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

If you go back to cakes you could always test lc with cakes instead and get mote fruit


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: tump]
    #24011175 - 01/15/17 12:48 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

if i u wanna do cased cakes, search "crumble and case" in the shroomery search bar.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24011184 - 01/15/17 12:57 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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if i u wanna do cased cakes, search "crumble and case" in the shroomery search bar.



That would eliminate the whole point of doing cakes man...


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #24011195 - 01/15/17 01:10 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

When did crumble and case go obsolete?


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24011199 - 01/15/17 01:13 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

The whole purpose of this thread was to use the sgfc and half pint jars he was gifted... Sgfcs are for cakes man... Because cakes are cool as fuck... He already knows how to do bulk, so using cakes just for spawn is kinda
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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #24011203 - 01/15/17 01:15 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

:lol:

Im not sure what that metaphor means, but i guess i see your point.

Cakes are pretty fun. 3 Dimensional grow surface FTW.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #24011857 - 01/15/17 10:51 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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The whole purpose of this thread was to use the sgfc and half pint jars he was gifted... Sgfcs are for cakes man... Because cakes are cool as fuck... He already knows how to do bulk, so using cakes just for spawn is kinda
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that indeed was the purpose, and I am going to try some cakes, but I wouldn't really say I know how to do bulk. My agar is great, my spawn is great, but my fruiting is shit. First flush was 600g wet and second flush is one measly mushroom. This is what my monotub looked like a few days before harvest:



If anyone has tips on monotubbing, I could use that too. I'm going to do 1 monotub and 1 SGFC/BRF with the same Orissa India isolate to compare the two, but I need to improve the monotub technique somehow for sure. My yield is shit.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: hedgeclipper]
    #24013000 - 01/15/17 07:57 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Have u read teh "how to dial in your monotub like a boss" thread?


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #24013035 - 01/15/17 08:10 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

The problem with crumbling up cakes is that they were most likely spore inoculated. I only feel comfortable going bulk if agar was involved.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #24013633 - 01/16/17 01:56 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

A reasonable judgement call :thumbup:


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24013639 - 01/16/17 01:58 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Check out my tek in my sig.

and the light goes outside the SGFC


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: VYBEv2]
    #24016609 - 01/17/17 06:37 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Yeah man, that mono is really really dry... Look at that big fucker just busted all to shit from being dry... If I had to guess I would say that your poly was way too lose.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #24018937 - 01/18/17 12:52 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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The problem with crumbling up cakes is that they were most likely spore inoculated. I only feel comfortable going bulk if agar was involved.




I was going to do agar -> cakes with my SGFC.

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and the light goes outside the SGFC




Will do.

Why does it have to? The guy who made it gave it to me like this. I figured I'd just use it with the built-in light socket as is. I doubt that'd really be a problem.

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Yeah man, that mono is really really dry... Look at that big fucker just busted all to shit from being dry... If I had to guess I would say that your poly was way too lose.




hmmm... I started off with a very tight polyester sheet (much denser than polyfill) instead of regular polyfil, and it sat there without pinning for over two weeks after 100% colonization. After I switched to loose polyfill, it pinned right away. I figured it needed to be pretty loose. Next time I will try tighter though.

As for moisture, I was misting the shit out of it every morning, but it's true that it dried out again quickly.

I still wonder why it would only fruit around the edges though.


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Re: What should I do with this SGFC? [Re: hedgeclipper]
    #24019019 - 01/18/17 01:56 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

If it is built in already then go for it. IMO it just introduces more contamination issues from friends that I've known in the past.


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