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Another go at kratom withdrawal
#24007885 - 01/13/17 05:47 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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The nuisance of an addict within me keeps me coming back to abuse kratom. The endless cycle of touching the stove. I'm no newbie to this game. Initially I used for 1.5 years for a pain condition up to 30g daily. Quit cold turkey for 2 months, then started back up. Quickly up to 30-40g a day for the next 6 months. And here I am again quitting cold turkey. I've tried tapering but I just don't have the self control. I'm in drug court, surprise surprise, so I can't take any benzos to help.
At my disposal I have phenibut, kava, benadryl, unisom, melatonin, sudafed, loperimide, b vitamins, multivitamin, fish oil, whey protein, creatine, black seed oil, 5 htp, green tea, and l theanine. Most of these are simple, yet healthy in general. My best meds for comfort are phenibut and loperamide which I'll be using sparingly.
I will also be implementing meditation, exercise and baths/sauna daily. And probably a Fuck ton of netflix. Try to eat as well as I can with a shitty appetite. I welcome any if you who have had experiences with kratom withdrawal and to share or offer any advice. I know there are worst things to be hooked on, but I just can't seem to get past kratom. Thanks for reading
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24007892 - 01/13/17 05:49 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Why don't you taper?
Oh nvm I can't read. I don't know maybe get someone else to help with the taper.
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Why don't you taper?
Oh nvm I can't read. I don't know maybe get someone else to help with the taper.
I've been somewhat successful tapering the past month. Up and down. Do ok for a few days, then fuck it up with big doses for another couple days. On average, I've dropped to about 20 from 40g. So it was a semi taper and now I just want to rip the bandaid off. Shouldn't be too bad. Just gonna be a depressing few days and I'll be good
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The kava would really help. It feels a lot like alcohol and benzos for me. I doubt drug court would test for that either. Kava was a game changer for me a few months back when I was craving drugs and still on methadone. Too bad it's fairly expensive.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24007925 - 01/13/17 06:05 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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get a job, bum
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin] 2
#24007930 - 01/13/17 06:06 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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drug court tests for netflix btw
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24007939 - 01/13/17 06:10 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Well good luck man. People will give you a hard time but I know it ain't easy. I should be around if you feel like chatting.
I guess the best advice I can give is to just make yourself do things. You're not going to be incapacitated, but depression is a bitch and it takes hard work to overcome. Doing things even though it brings you no joy.
Make a list of a couple goals you have or some things you'd find rewarding, and when you find yourself stewing in misery just force yourself to do it.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin] 1
#24007959 - 01/13/17 06:24 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Aww kratom withdrawal?
I hope yer ok in 36 hrs
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: shadyy]
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moonrockmushy said: Well good luck man. People will give you a hard time but I know it ain't easy. I should be around if you feel like chatting.
I guess the best advice I can give is to just make yourself do things. You're not going to be incapacitated, but depression is a bitch and it takes hard work to overcome. Doing things even though it brings you no joy.
Make a list of a couple goals you have or some things you'd find rewarding, and when you find yourself stewing in misery just force yourself to do it.
Thanks man. I really want to get back into weight lifting, clean diet, meditation and my guitar. Long term joys.
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Shit... knew it was too good to be true.
I'll give kava a go. Didn't really enjoy it in the past. But if I'm anxious or can't sleep, I'll try again might be a good replacement for the next couple days
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: shadyy] 1
#24007966 - 01/13/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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i hate liz said: drug court tests for netflix btw
Nice, shit made me laugh
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: stzacrack]
#24007967 - 01/13/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Haha I hope it is that quickly. I never really gave myself a chance. I'll be sure to update this thread. I haven't dosed since this morning 12g
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24007977 - 01/13/17 06:31 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Yeah let us know how it goes. I tapered down pretty well. From maybe around 40g to well under 10. I hardly get withdrawals, but haven't made it much past 36h. People always compare it to coffee, and honestly it is about the same. Not trying to diminish what you're doing because honestly I know it is hard. Tapering down is hard enough.
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moonrockmushy said: Yeah let us know how it goes. I tapered down pretty well. From maybe around 40g to well under 10. I hardly get withdrawals, but haven't made it much past 36h. People always compare it to coffee, and honestly it is about the same. Not trying to diminish what you're doing because honestly I know it is hard. Tapering down is hard enough.
Oh I agree. It was horrible my first time quitting though. Very bad physical symptoms. But this time has been a breeze tapering down. It's just the psychological connection to ingesting a substance. An habitual addiction. At this point, I barely get much of a buzz. So it's a waste yet I keep taking it. Pretty dumbI know. Part of me is expecting a very easy time now that ive made the decision of no more. Too many drugs in general the past couple years. It's due time for a break
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24008050 - 01/13/17 07:01 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Yup it's worth it stay strong. Gimme a if you're ever having a hard time. I'll try to steer you in the right direction.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24008256 - 01/13/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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They test for kratom now in drug court?
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Amanita86]
#24008267 - 01/13/17 08:57 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Sounds like you have enough supplements to make it a breeze good luck. I too have a hard time leaving opiates alone when they come around or I get really stressed and order a bag of kratom. maybe one day right
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Amanita86]
#24009321 - 01/14/17 09:49 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: They test for kratom now in drug court?
It depends. I've been in drug court for 5 months and took kratom almost every day. BUT they are aware of my previous dependence on kratom for pain. Although I guess never tested for it. I've heard of other drug courts definitely testing for it though. I just want to be done with it
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24009962 - 01/14/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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So far, so good. No major issues. Spent like 3.5 hours at the bmv though trying to square everything away with my license. I had 12 points, 2 reinstatement fees, retake driving and written exa, sr-22 insurance,etc. Kinda stressful, but had to be done. Also looking for new apartments to move to.
Today is ofdicially day 1 no kratom, last dose was at 11AM yesterday. Symptom wise, I had some akithisia and restlessness waking up. Still slept 8 hours. Very lethargic and heavyness getting started. Every moment seems a lot harder and annoyed by all the small things. Sweats and minor hot flashes. Slight congestion and runny nose. A bit irritable and stressed. Zero appetite. Nothing too bad. I've taken phenibut and loperamide. Other otc meds as needed. None of this is new to me, but it still sucks. Not nearly as bad as I've had in the past. Relatively easy so far this time. Just thought I'd keep this thread updated for anyone else in a similar situation
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24010101 - 01/14/17 03:39 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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If you went 2 months without before, you can do it again. 2 months is well past withdrawal and all mental.
Being totally drug free is hard. I know we all like something to hold on to.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Morel Guy]
#24010372 - 01/14/17 05:36 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Morel Guy said: If you went 2 months without before, you can do it again. 2 months is well past withdrawal and all mental.
Being totally drug free is hard. I know we all like something to hold on to.
My first time was about a full week of shitty physical symptoms including diarreah hit flashes, cold sweats, bad restlessness and rls, insomnia, mild anxiety, no appetite, anhedonia and just feeling lethargic malaise and super heavy. Then after the first week, I was hit hard with major depression and complete lack of motivation and pleasure in life, and not as bad rls lasting another 2 weeks until I was back to baseline. If today is any sign, this time will be way way easier. It seemed like my body started rejecting kratom. I'd take higher and higher doses with barely a buzz. Yet I'd never have any hangovers and tapering was physically easy, just irritating. I barely notice any symptoms eight now except a little irritable and less appetite
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24010392 - 01/14/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Please keep updating progress.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24010399 - 01/14/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I think what happens with some chronic, heavy kratom users is they slowly use up the enzymes required to process kratom at a faster rate than they produce them but that is just wild conjecture. could be purely neurochemical. I quit kratom cold turkey last october but I wasn't using as much as you are, 30-40gs like 2-3x a week. Even at that dose frequency there was a mild discontinuation syndrome for me.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: morrowasted]
#24010429 - 01/14/17 06:08 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Its funny because I took it coming off heroin, and the worst withdrawal I get after 4 months on kratom is really yawns and moderate depression. Like I said tho I tapered down to a reasonable 1x/day dose.
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I think the extent to which withdrawal is noticeable also depends upon the extent to which one's body is taxed. I'm not sure what your circumstances were, but kratom withdrawal is a breeze to me if I have a couple of days to chill and watch netflix in bed, but if I have to be on my feet moving around and responding to mentally-exhausting situations for 8 hours straight during kratom WD, I'm gonna feel like shit
also once I started smoking weed again it seemed like kratom didnt take as much of a toll on my body physically, or at least the weed helped me recover in the morning and get back on my feet...
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: morrowasted]
#24010490 - 01/14/17 06:38 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I experience the opposite actually. If I have something to keep occupied it is totally manageable, but if I am sedentary it is torture.
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The severity and intensity remains mild. Only been awake for an hour though. I had a hard time falling asleep along with rls, nothing too bad. I took melatonin, 5 htp and 2 benadryl and knocked me out for 9 hours strong. But now I'm dealing with intense grogginess. Gonna try and skip the benadryl and stick to melatonin 5 htp and maybe unisom instead for now on.
This is mostly a mind game. The thought of taking kratom pops in my mind here and there. Probably not good I have a half pound in my closet... but I'm gonna see this through. I'm drinking coffee to get me going. I just have no motivation to do anything yet. No rls or sweats or diarreah yet, although I did take a good dose of immodium yesterday and phenibut. Idk if I'll need either today. Might try out the black seed oil instead if physical symptoms return, 5htp for any depression and lots of green tea and L theanine. Lots of netflix and cat petting. May try guided meditation and going for a jog. I'm reading an excellent book I totally recommend for anyone going through a hard time in life. It's called The Power of Now. Sounds cheesy and can be, but it is simple, intelligent and helpful. I need to eat more too. But I'm content just relaxing today.
Overall, I give the difficulty of this experience a 2/10. While my first quit off of 30g daily almost 2 years straight was easily a 7-8/10. Granted the only other withdrawal I've gone through if weed. Sorry this isn't as quite as a reliable and struggle of usual kratom withdrawal experience. I just seem to have gotten off easy this time. Good for me, boring for the thread haha
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24011876 - 01/15/17 11:00 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Unisom is a very similar drug to benadryl fyi. I don't recommend antihistamines at all. They might help knock you out if you're lucky, but feel like shit when you wake, and if it fails to knock you out it will leave you with the worst RLS and drowsy insomnia ever. I'd rather not sleep than that personally.
Try chamomile. It actually does pretty well to help me relax a bit, but most of the work should be done by you not drugs.
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moonrockmushy said: Unisom is a very similar drug to benadryl fyi. I don't recommend antihistamines at all. They might help knock you out if you're lucky, but feel like shit when you wake, and if it fails to knock you out it will leave you with the worst RLS and drowsy insomnia ever. I'd rather not sleep than that personally.
Try chamomile. It actually does pretty well to help me relax a bit, but most of the work should be done by you not drugs.
Yeah I like unisom more considering I don't have a hangover the next day. But benadryl knocks me out better. Considering this time isn't bad, sleep has been ok. But I know what you mean. In the past, I've had benadryl make it way worse rls. What helped in the past was warm tea, hot baths and lots of cardio. I loved brewing reishi tea and mix it with cacao powder and stevia. Very soothing. Chamomile and valerian doesn't do shit for me and my body doesn't enjoy kava much. So I just stick to benadryl, unisom, melatonin, 5 htp and I have an old script of Elavil and that probably works the best. Will take the Elavil for the next night or two and then avoid any other drugs except like melatonin and 5 htp maybe
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24012314 - 01/15/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Chamomile isn't for the body, it's for the mind I know it is mostly placebo but it tastes soothing.
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Agreed on that. I prefer over over kava or valerian tea. But the warmth of tea is soothing either way.
I will mention something most people will probably frown upon. The thing that helps most with kratom withdrawal is benzos or phenibut. Most people say limit phenibut to twice a week, but through my experience you can use it multiple days in a row if you taper immediately. I've used for two weeks straight with no rebound effects in this fashion. For example, I took two doses of 4 grams yesterday. Two doses of 3 grams today. 2 gram doses tomorrow, then 1 gram doses with no ill effects. The same can be said for immodium but I don't feel the need this time for my physical symptoms. But phenibut is a charm for the mental aspect along with green tea, l theanine and 5 htp. Thus is just my experience and I can't recommend it, but it works fine with me if tapered accordingly.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24012604 - 01/15/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Longtime kratom addict here 20 to 30+ gs a day for 4 years. The biggest factor I've noticed personally besides quality and alkaloid profile of your leaf, definitely your rate of use . like if you need it more often to feel normal the quicker it gets bad, cold turkey from 35gs a day of good quality is hell.
People tell me its not that bad, or think they've experienced all kratom wds can offer when they haven't . these alkaloids are hundreds timr s stronger than morphine it can be a lot worse.
This isn't directed at anyone specificly , its just been a big struggle for me and controls my life still even after my shit state banned it. Feels like anytime I start a taper and get some progress my depression just says fuck it and I'm right back again.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
#24012705 - 01/15/17 05:32 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Panaeolus92 said: Longtime kratom addict here 20 to 30+ gs a day for 4 years. The biggest factor I've noticed personally besides quality and alkaloid profile of your leaf, definitely your rate of use . like if you need it more often to feel normal the quicker it gets bad, cold turkey from 35gs a day of good quality is hell.
People tell me its not that bad, or think they've experienced all kratom wds can offer when they haven't . these alkaloids are hundreds timr s stronger than morphine it can be a lot worse.
This isn't directed at anyone specificly , its just been a big struggle for me and controls my life still even after my shit state banned it. Feels like anytime I start a taper and get some progress my depression just says fuck it and I'm right back again.
I agree completely. I was expecting way worse hence me putting it off for awhile. The fear of having to go through what I went through previous times quitting. Idk why my body has been reacting differently lately. Like I said earlier, I was barely getting a buzz of 12 plus gram doses. While a year ago, 6 grams would rock me and I would suffer bad withdrawals. So I think if you are getting seriously high from kratom, you can expect to pay the piper for it. Since I wasn't really getting very high lately from huge amounts, I don't have to suffer bad withdrawals. Tis a weird drug like that
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24013112 - 01/15/17 08:40 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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It gives me some hope to hear that, its been a good while since I've been able to get high on tom but still feel strong depression and fatigue in the first couple hours past a missed dose.
I've explored some options and wondering if anyone had had success with dxm or nitrous knocking their tolerance down during a taper and keeping that ground?
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
#24013278 - 01/15/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I tapered quite a lot for about a month. What seemed to help the most was either phenibut or immodium on my drop days along with lots of green tea, l theanine, 5 htp and I've heard black seed oil can help too. But mostly phenibut or benzos are the biggest help in my experience. And while I'm feeling alright now, that month of tapering was pretty frustrating and had a lot of days where I just said fuck it and dosed high again. The trick is to jump back on the wagon asap so you don't waste the time you've tapered. Little slips for a day or two don't seem to hurt you much. But I hate tapering. The smaller doses just tease me and it's so hard not to take more instead of eat a meal. So I prefer CT if you can get some free time. I couldn't stand tapering anymore and kept fucking up anyways so I dropped off this weekend. Ideaally I'd take a week or two off work and get rid of any kratom in my house and stock up on comfort meds, but I don't need that this time apparently.
One thing I've noticed that will really help is that when kratom wears off, there is a window of time of rebound effects where I get very irritable and depressed until my next dose. But I've realised that that feeling lessens after awhile until your physical withdrawal symptoms kick in. So a lot of the struggle is getting past that initial window of irritation. Then it's like I need to dose or eat cuz I can't dose for another 3 hours after I eat, so the cycle continues. Just being aware of how this cycle of mood works helped me a lot. I'm already in a way better mood than I was caught in between doses of the ups and downs.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24013654 - 01/16/17 02:09 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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I always recommend blue lotus.... it is legal, and helped a few of my friends in similar situations.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: VYBEv2]
#24016967 - 01/17/17 10:11 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Well I caves this morning. Not because I was suffering from symptoms. Or anything. I have just been having minor cravings. This morning I was slow to get up and a bit lethargic and just said f*** it I want some Kratom just out of habit. I really didn't need any but I took some anyway just cuz I felt like something was missing the habit of taking Kratom itself. I kept my stash at my friend's place and we agreed that it Be OK for me to just take one dose and leave the rest with him. I got a great buzz and I don't really regret it but I don't want to slip back into that habit of daily dosing. I would say I was about 90% back to normal so it's not that big of a deal in my mind the worst part so far or lack of motivation and Cravings that were minor.
I won't be taking any more Kratom at least through the weekend. I have promised myself that I would keep it at once per week for the foreseeable future. I have slowly been implementing daily meditation and exercise and also improving my diet. These are all key steps to recovery and are just great habits for long term. If anyone has any ideas help deal with Cravings please let me know. Overall this quitting experience has been way way easier than I anticipated especially considering how hard it was the first time I quit cold turkey. The number one thing I can recommend for Kratom withdrawal is phenibut but used sparingly. I will continue to update this thread and answer any questions you guys may have.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
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Please do continue to update. I am reading with interest. How's your libido if you don't mind me asking? Seems that libido is often tied to motivation and low mood.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: pslyke]
#24017679 - 01/17/17 03:06 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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I just bought mitragyna hirsuta. It's supposed to be a different alkaloid (or something, i have no degree in chemistry so take everything here with a grain of salt) than regular kratom (mitragyna speciosa).
I looked around on reddit and they said it's noticeably different than kratom, someone claimed it was slightly more drunk feeling than regular.
But I've been thinking of trying to use this to help with withdrawal for a tolerance break.
Has anyone here tried this stuff? I saw a thread here a few weeks ago about it, but it didn't really get any response.
I should also mention i probably spelled mitragyna, speciosa and hirsuita wrong. So this is my apology for shit grammar.
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Dude don't use phenibut for kratom WD... phenibut WD is worse. Also if you're going to quit, quit. don't take it once a week. your receptors need time to repair
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: morrowasted]
#24018772 - 01/17/17 11:16 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah I figured someone would frown upon phenibut usage. But like I said before, I have great results from it. Even using multiple days as long as I taper right away. And to the previous guy, yeah my libido have been crap while on kratom, but when I quit, and especially when I take phenibut, it comes roaring back with a vengeance.
But you're right about taking kratom once a week. I need like a full month or two break. It's that fucking addict mind saying it's ok to take a little here and there. I need some real time away before I should even entertain the idea
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24018907 - 01/18/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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You can take etilozam, my buddy was on probation and the benzo test didn't catch etilozam at all. It has a different core structure than most benzos.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: czech]
#24018932 - 01/18/17 12:50 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24018939 - 01/18/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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how long does the wds from a 30-40g a day habit last in your experience OP?
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Connoisseur]
#24019087 - 01/18/17 03:29 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Connoisseur said: how long does the wds from a 30-40g a day habit last in your experience OP?
Idk about op, but i can say that 50-70 grams a day last no more than 2 days ime.
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how long did you use that much a day?
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Connoisseur]
#24019213 - 01/18/17 06:47 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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The worst symptom s 3 to 4 days, but honestly the whole digestive and depression issues take a lot longer to resolve, I've never gone all the way through .
And that was an experience of trying to quit after 3 and a half years of 30 to 40 a day of good red vein strains like rivaled my times with ocs
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
#24019242 - 01/18/17 07:09 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Kratom sounds really awesome. I'd love to try figuring out how to get an ounce of dried leaves into my mouth and down my throat every day just to figure out how to stop doing that.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: koods]
#24019255 - 01/18/17 07:16 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Its really easy to be condescending on the internet without knowing someone's life.
Kratom has actually helped me with some other issues in my life, and it isn't that bad there are a lot of foods that mask it completely but ultimately you just stop tasting it
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
#24019263 - 01/18/17 07:23 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I just see a lot of posts from people discussing how to manage their use. It seems to be trapping people who don't take the downside seriously.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: koods]
#24019328 - 01/18/17 08:26 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Moderation is key.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: California]
#24019431 - 01/18/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I will agree that the severity of addiction potential is way underplayed, I was definitely under the impression it would t be "that bad" from people who had no real experience with long teem daily use.
But on the other hand it has greatly improved my immunity and cured an inflamed digestive system, sorry if I got a little defensive just seemed you were being a bit judgy.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
#24019770 - 01/18/17 11:53 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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All I'm saying is no one goes into it thinking man I sure hope I can eventually need this to get through the day. Life happens you start using it to deal with one thing then work picks up, family gets sick people count on you, you can't afford to be incapacitated for even a day. So you manage and then you blink and its been 4 years
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Connoisseur]
#24019900 - 01/18/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Connoisseur said: how long did you use that much a day?
Probably close to a year I've been that high.
First 2 years i used it i took 15-20 grams.
The next year i eventually got up to 30-40 years and most recently I'll be around what i posted above.
I would say maybe 1 or 2 days a week i cut back and only take and oz, I've probably had 1-2 days a month where i take 10-15 grams in a day.
I don't recommend taking that much, most people would vomit well before. I've just let my tolerance get stupid high and never really made to much effort to lower it.
Even when i take a tolerance break it only takes about a week and half to break 35 grams.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: czech]
#24021132 - 01/18/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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czech said: You can take etilozam, my buddy was on probation and the benzo test didn't catch etilozam at all. It has a different core structure than most benzos.
Yeah but he was on regular probation I'm assuming. I'm in drug court. So if I get a false positive, that'll raise some eyebrown for sure. And in trying to be done with it in about a year since I'm doing well in it.
And I don't think I'm a very good example of how kratom withdrawal works. Since it is the complete opposite effect as last time. I think I already described how bad it was my first go around. This time, the physical symptoms were non existent while the mental ones are easily controlled with phenibut. The real test for me is cravings and long term sobriety. I keep say oh it wasn't THAT bad, why not take more. It still fucks with my life and health.
But I have noticed that when I tapered down from 40 to 20 and somewhat stabilised there, I was feeling way better and better buzzes off of lower doses. The key is to stay low with kratom. There's a ceiling you hit and it's not worth trying to push it further
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: koods]
#24021167 - 01/18/17 07:43 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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koods said: I just see a lot of posts from people discussing how to manage their use. It seems to be trapping people who don't take the downside seriously.
And my method for taking kratom was first toss and washing with OJ, then I made my own capsules for the most of my habit. Can buy a capsule machine online and 00 capsule on amazon for cheap. But then my parents threw out my machine so the past 6 months I've been toss and washing again
But instead of OJ, I use soda. Yeah yeah super unhealthy. But I shit you not, the carbonation creates a layer of film that prevents the kratom from sticking in your mouth. Try it! I usually stick to Dr pepper, root beer, grape soda or BigK citrus mountain that they sell at my work. And I get all sneaky and use my super scientific scale in my laboratory and get drugged out bro
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24021173 - 01/18/17 07:46 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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koods said: I just see a lot of posts from people discussing how to manage their use. It seems to be trapping people who don't take the downside seriously.
I no longer take kratom, it just seemed to be another monkey trying to live on my back, fuck that.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Lucis]
#24021183 - 01/18/17 07:49 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Kratom very likely saved my life. So yeah that's a major downside.
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That's awesome, and I support people who use it to get off of harder drugs, but one must be careful they don't switch one addiction for another, then next thing krat gets made illegal and you revert back to your old habit.
I LOVE opiates, I can't explain how much I love them, but I just can't use any of them without letting them creep up on me, I never had problems with other drugs, and I have used all of the major addicting ones, but I can't fuck with opiates at all.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Lucis]
#24021457 - 01/18/17 09:28 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah opiates scare me. I know I'd like then too much. This is partly why I sought out kratom when I was having horrible pain issues, to avoid prescription pills. And it honestly made me able to function again. Before, I was bedridden most of the time and was severely depressed. Then kratom came and I was able to work again and have a newfound euphoria for life in spite of my pain.
But I needed to keep dosing for the pain. Eventually it became not so fun. I tried to quit a few times, and even made it a whole week CT since I was that sick of what kratom was doing for me mentally. All the ups and downs made me feel crazy and unstable. Finally my pain went into remissions and I quit CT after 1.5 years ish. Life was great. Pain was manag able with ibuprofen and no more kratom abuse. Then the addict of me misses the buzz. I was getting by on ibuprofen, but had high liver enzymes because of ibuprofen up to 1400mg throughout the day. So I think that cycling kratom will help! Hmmm didn't take long to fall back into daily dosing
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24021573 - 01/18/17 10:24 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I been there 3 times now. I am currently weening down to 1.5-3G a day then jumping off.I was at a kilo/month for almost 10 months.
My biggest thing is being super tired, and my back hurts 10x more. The way I see it, is that I will say I am just catching a bug for about a week. The lack of sleep gets me too RLS is a pain. It really feels like your coming down with the flu or something coming off of a long, everyday use.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: koods]
#24021606 - 01/18/17 10:36 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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koods said: Kratom sounds really awesome. I'd love to try figuring out how to get an ounce of dried leaves into my mouth and down my throat every day just to figure out how to stop doing that.
most people dont do anywhere near that much, an oz is excessive for me personally
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: LSDollar] 1
#24021616 - 01/18/17 10:40 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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*weaning
Weening might be listening to Ween.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: California]
#24022198 - 01/19/17 07:59 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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We all have a bit of weener within us all
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin] 1
#24022206 - 01/19/17 08:04 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Damn I really hope OP survived his kratom withdrawal. Somebody should probably have the paramedics on standby just in case.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24022634 - 01/19/17 10:56 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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koods said: I just see a lot of posts from people discussing how to manage their use. It seems to be trapping people who don't take the downside seriously.
And my method for taking kratom was first toss and washing with OJ, then I made my own capsules for the most of my habit. Can buy a capsule machine online and 00 capsule on amazon for cheap. But then my parents threw out my machine so the past 6 months I've been toss and washing again
But instead of OJ, I use soda. Yeah yeah super unhealthy. But I shit you not, the carbonation creates a layer of film that prevents the kratom from sticking in your mouth. Try it! I usually stick to Dr pepper, root beer, grape soda or BigK citrus mountain that they sell at my work. And I get all sneaky and use my super scientific scale in my laboratory and get drugged out bro 
I thought i was the only one to use soda.
I have no reason for preference though, i just don't like running to the grocery store for oj every day (i would drink close to a gallon of oj) so i buy a case of mountain dew (simply because it's my favorite drink) and it lasts about a week.
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Just try and find the healthiest way to maintain your sanity in this crazy modern world. There are tons of GABAergic supplements to taper with...
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Deathby69] 1
#24034426 - 01/23/17 08:11 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Well after slipping a few times the past couple days, I grabbed the rest of my kratom, about a pound, and proceeded to dump it all down the toilet. Took 4 flushes to get it all down. I'm am addict. And if I have it, I'm gonna use it until it's gone. I just can't control it. Same has happneed with weed. I never was addicted to benzos or cigarettes, but damn I'd go through them fast if I had them.
Although I wasn't holding my kratom personally, knowing I still had some was causing me to obsess about it in the back of my mind. I just needed to get rid of it. And damn, that felt fucking good. A huge weight off my shoulders.
I'm nit saying I'll never use kratom again, but I need a good break from it. And I shouldn't have too much stock of it. Which makes me nervous what's going to happen with the ban. That's why I got hooked again. Because I had like 3 pounds haha
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin] 1
#24034527 - 01/23/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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i hate liz said: I just ordered some...never tried it before -- went with the bali capsules (56g).
Kratom is a ton of fun while in the honeymoon phase. I wish I didn't have to abuse it. But I had a chronic pain condition which made me sought out kratom. Kept me functional and I'm grateul. But after a few months, it can turn on you. So I caution you to limit your use to once or twice a week. So you don't become addicted and also maintain the efficacy and euphoria. Bali is great. I either take bali or red vein thai. Love that shit.
I recommend you start with 3-4 grams on an empty stomach. No eating for at least 3 hours before hand. Drink plenty of water before and after. Eat a small meal after an hour or so. Oh and good job getting capsules. They are usually 0.5g each
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24037061 - 01/24/17 07:27 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Glad to read that you are out the other side now. We all, always have our rationale for using kratom. It could be depression, anxiety, pain, energy---you name it. It doesn't matter what the reason is. One is as entirely valid as the next. What, in my opinion is important is to identify when it becomes a problem and to double down to drag your self out. Once it's gotten the better of you I am not sure that there is a clear/safe path back to it...??? I would be interested in hearing peoples comments. I myself just stopped with a rapid taper after 4 years of use. Was not fun, but I made it through while also holding down a very high level/demanding job. It may while have been the high level/demanding job that led me to kratom in the first place... Go figure.
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