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Offlineczech
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24018907 - 01/18/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

You can take etilozam, my buddy was on probation and the benzo test didn't catch etilozam at all. It has a different core structure than most benzos.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: czech]
    #24018932 - 01/18/17 12:50 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24018939 - 01/18/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

how long does the wds from a 30-40g a day habit last in your experience OP?


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24019087 - 01/18/17 03:29 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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how long does the wds from a 30-40g a day habit last in your experience OP?



Idk about op, but i can say that 50-70 grams a day last no more than 2 days ime.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #24019089 - 01/18/17 03:32 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

how long did you use that much a day?


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24019213 - 01/18/17 06:47 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

The worst symptom s 3 to 4 days, but honestly the whole digestive  and depression issues take a lot longer to resolve, I've never gone all the way through .

And that was an experience of trying to quit after 3 and a half years of 30 to 40 a day of good red vein strains like rivaled my times with ocs


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
    #24019242 - 01/18/17 07:09 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Kratom sounds really awesome. I'd love to try figuring out how to get an ounce of dried leaves into my mouth and down my throat every day just to figure out how to stop doing that.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: koods]
    #24019255 - 01/18/17 07:16 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Its really easy to be condescending on the internet without knowing someone's life.

Kratom has actually helped me with some other issues in my life, and it isn't that bad there are a lot of foods that mask it completely but ultimately you just stop tasting it


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
    #24019263 - 01/18/17 07:23 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I just see a lot of posts from people discussing how to manage their use. It seems to be trapping people who don't take the downside seriously.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: koods]
    #24019328 - 01/18/17 08:26 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Moderation is key.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: California]
    #24019431 - 01/18/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I will agree that the severity of addiction potential is way underplayed, I was definitely under the impression it would t be "that bad" from people who had no real experience with long teem daily use.

But on the other hand it has greatly improved my immunity and  cured an inflamed digestive system, sorry if I got a little defensive just seemed you were being a bit judgy.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
    #24019770 - 01/18/17 11:53 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

All I'm saying is no one goes into it thinking man I sure hope I can eventually need this to get through the day. Life happens you start using it to deal with one thing then work picks up, family gets sick people count on you, you can't afford to be incapacitated for even a day.
So you manage and then you blink and its been 4 years


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24019900 - 01/18/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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how long did you use that much a day?



Probably close to a year I've been that high.

First 2 years i used it i took 15-20 grams.

The next year i eventually got up to 30-40 years and most recently I'll be around what i posted above.

I would say maybe 1 or 2 days a week i cut back and only take and oz, I've probably had 1-2 days a month where i take 10-15 grams in a day.

I don't recommend taking that much, most people would vomit well before. I've just let my tolerance get stupid high and never really made to much effort to lower it.

Even when i take a tolerance break it only takes about a week and half to break 35 grams.


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Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: czech]
    #24021132 - 01/18/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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You can take etilozam, my buddy was on probation and the benzo test didn't catch etilozam at all. It has a different core structure than most benzos.



Yeah but he was on regular probation I'm assuming. I'm in drug court. So if I get a false positive, that'll raise some eyebrown for sure. And in trying to be done with it in about a year since I'm doing well in it.

And I don't think I'm a very good example of how kratom withdrawal works. Since it is the complete opposite effect as last time. I think I already described how bad it was my first go around. This time, the physical symptoms were non existent while the mental ones are easily controlled with phenibut. The real test for me is cravings and long term sobriety. I keep say oh it wasn't THAT bad, why not take more. It still fucks with my life and health.

But I have noticed that when I tapered down from 40 to 20 and somewhat stabilised there, I was feeling way better and better buzzes off of lower doses. The key is to stay low with kratom. There's a ceiling you hit and it's not worth trying to push it further


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: koods]
    #24021167 - 01/18/17 07:43 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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I just see a lot of posts from people discussing how to manage their use. It seems to be trapping people who don't take the downside seriously.



And my method for taking kratom was first toss and washing with OJ, then I made my own capsules for the most of my habit. Can buy a capsule machine online and 00 capsule on amazon for cheap. But then my parents threw out my machine so the past 6 months I've been toss and washing again

But instead of OJ, I use soda. Yeah yeah super unhealthy. But I shit you not, the carbonation creates a layer of film that prevents the kratom from sticking in your mouth. Try it! I usually stick to Dr pepper, root beer, grape soda or BigK citrus mountain that they sell at my work. And I get all sneaky and use my super scientific scale in my laboratory and get drugged out bro :deathrush:


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24021173 - 01/18/17 07:46 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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I just see a lot of posts from people discussing how to manage their use. It seems to be trapping people who don't take the downside seriously.






I no longer take kratom, it just seemed to be another monkey trying to live on my back, fuck that.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Lucis]
    #24021183 - 01/18/17 07:49 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Kratom very likely saved my life.  So yeah that's a major downside. :sadyes:


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24021213 - 01/18/17 07:57 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

That's awesome, and I support people who use it to get off of harder drugs, but one must be careful they don't switch one addiction for another, then next thing krat gets made illegal and you revert back to your old habit.

I LOVE opiates, I can't explain how much I love them, but I just can't use any of them without letting them creep up on me, I never had problems with other drugs, and I have used all of the major addicting ones, but I can't fuck with opiates at all.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Lucis]
    #24021457 - 01/18/17 09:28 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Yeah opiates scare me. I know I'd like then too much. This is partly why I sought out kratom when I was having horrible pain issues, to avoid prescription pills. And it honestly made me able to function again. Before, I was bedridden most of the time and was severely depressed. Then kratom came and I was able to work again and have a newfound euphoria for life in spite of my pain.

But I needed to keep dosing for the pain. Eventually it became not so fun. I tried to quit a few times, and even made it a whole week CT since I was that sick of what kratom was doing for me mentally. All the ups and downs made me feel crazy and unstable. Finally my pain went into remissions and I quit CT after 1.5 years ish. Life was great. Pain was manag able with ibuprofen and no more kratom abuse. Then the addict of me misses the buzz. I was getting by on ibuprofen, but had high liver enzymes because of ibuprofen up to 1400mg throughout the day. So I think that cycling kratom will help! Hmmm didn't take long to fall back into daily dosing


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24021573 - 01/18/17 10:24 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

I been there 3 times now. I am currently weening down to 1.5-3G a day then jumping off.I was at a kilo/month for almost 10 months.

My biggest thing is being super tired, and my back hurts 10x more. The way I see it, is that I will say I am just catching a bug for about a week. The lack of sleep gets me too RLS is a pain. It really feels like your coming down with the flu or something coming off of a long, everyday use.


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