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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24010392 - 01/14/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Please keep updating progress.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24010399 - 01/14/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I think what happens with some chronic, heavy kratom users is they slowly use up the enzymes required to process kratom at a faster rate than they produce them but that is just wild conjecture. could be purely neurochemical. I quit kratom cold turkey last october but I wasn't using as much as you are, 30-40gs like 2-3x a week. Even at that dose frequency there was a mild discontinuation syndrome for me.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: morrowasted]
#24010429 - 01/14/17 06:08 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Its funny because I took it coming off heroin, and the worst withdrawal I get after 4 months on kratom is really yawns and moderate depression. Like I said tho I tapered down to a reasonable 1x/day dose.
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I think the extent to which withdrawal is noticeable also depends upon the extent to which one's body is taxed. I'm not sure what your circumstances were, but kratom withdrawal is a breeze to me if I have a couple of days to chill and watch netflix in bed, but if I have to be on my feet moving around and responding to mentally-exhausting situations for 8 hours straight during kratom WD, I'm gonna feel like shit
also once I started smoking weed again it seemed like kratom didnt take as much of a toll on my body physically, or at least the weed helped me recover in the morning and get back on my feet...
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: morrowasted]
#24010490 - 01/14/17 06:38 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I experience the opposite actually. If I have something to keep occupied it is totally manageable, but if I am sedentary it is torture.
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The severity and intensity remains mild. Only been awake for an hour though. I had a hard time falling asleep along with rls, nothing too bad. I took melatonin, 5 htp and 2 benadryl and knocked me out for 9 hours strong. But now I'm dealing with intense grogginess. Gonna try and skip the benadryl and stick to melatonin 5 htp and maybe unisom instead for now on.
This is mostly a mind game. The thought of taking kratom pops in my mind here and there. Probably not good I have a half pound in my closet... but I'm gonna see this through. I'm drinking coffee to get me going. I just have no motivation to do anything yet. No rls or sweats or diarreah yet, although I did take a good dose of immodium yesterday and phenibut. Idk if I'll need either today. Might try out the black seed oil instead if physical symptoms return, 5htp for any depression and lots of green tea and L theanine. Lots of netflix and cat petting. May try guided meditation and going for a jog. I'm reading an excellent book I totally recommend for anyone going through a hard time in life. It's called The Power of Now. Sounds cheesy and can be, but it is simple, intelligent and helpful. I need to eat more too. But I'm content just relaxing today.
Overall, I give the difficulty of this experience a 2/10. While my first quit off of 30g daily almost 2 years straight was easily a 7-8/10. Granted the only other withdrawal I've gone through if weed. Sorry this isn't as quite as a reliable and struggle of usual kratom withdrawal experience. I just seem to have gotten off easy this time. Good for me, boring for the thread haha
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24011876 - 01/15/17 11:00 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Unisom is a very similar drug to benadryl fyi. I don't recommend antihistamines at all. They might help knock you out if you're lucky, but feel like shit when you wake, and if it fails to knock you out it will leave you with the worst RLS and drowsy insomnia ever. I'd rather not sleep than that personally.
Try chamomile. It actually does pretty well to help me relax a bit, but most of the work should be done by you not drugs.
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moonrockmushy said: Unisom is a very similar drug to benadryl fyi. I don't recommend antihistamines at all. They might help knock you out if you're lucky, but feel like shit when you wake, and if it fails to knock you out it will leave you with the worst RLS and drowsy insomnia ever. I'd rather not sleep than that personally.
Try chamomile. It actually does pretty well to help me relax a bit, but most of the work should be done by you not drugs.
Yeah I like unisom more considering I don't have a hangover the next day. But benadryl knocks me out better. Considering this time isn't bad, sleep has been ok. But I know what you mean. In the past, I've had benadryl make it way worse rls. What helped in the past was warm tea, hot baths and lots of cardio. I loved brewing reishi tea and mix it with cacao powder and stevia. Very soothing. Chamomile and valerian doesn't do shit for me and my body doesn't enjoy kava much. So I just stick to benadryl, unisom, melatonin, 5 htp and I have an old script of Elavil and that probably works the best. Will take the Elavil for the next night or two and then avoid any other drugs except like melatonin and 5 htp maybe
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24012314 - 01/15/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Chamomile isn't for the body, it's for the mind I know it is mostly placebo but it tastes soothing.
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Agreed on that. I prefer over over kava or valerian tea. But the warmth of tea is soothing either way.
I will mention something most people will probably frown upon. The thing that helps most with kratom withdrawal is benzos or phenibut. Most people say limit phenibut to twice a week, but through my experience you can use it multiple days in a row if you taper immediately. I've used for two weeks straight with no rebound effects in this fashion. For example, I took two doses of 4 grams yesterday. Two doses of 3 grams today. 2 gram doses tomorrow, then 1 gram doses with no ill effects. The same can be said for immodium but I don't feel the need this time for my physical symptoms. But phenibut is a charm for the mental aspect along with green tea, l theanine and 5 htp. Thus is just my experience and I can't recommend it, but it works fine with me if tapered accordingly.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24012604 - 01/15/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Longtime kratom addict here 20 to 30+ gs a day for 4 years. The biggest factor I've noticed personally besides quality and alkaloid profile of your leaf, definitely your rate of use . like if you need it more often to feel normal the quicker it gets bad, cold turkey from 35gs a day of good quality is hell.
People tell me its not that bad, or think they've experienced all kratom wds can offer when they haven't . these alkaloids are hundreds timr s stronger than morphine it can be a lot worse.
This isn't directed at anyone specificly , its just been a big struggle for me and controls my life still even after my shit state banned it. Feels like anytime I start a taper and get some progress my depression just says fuck it and I'm right back again.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
#24012705 - 01/15/17 05:32 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Panaeolus92 said: Longtime kratom addict here 20 to 30+ gs a day for 4 years. The biggest factor I've noticed personally besides quality and alkaloid profile of your leaf, definitely your rate of use . like if you need it more often to feel normal the quicker it gets bad, cold turkey from 35gs a day of good quality is hell.
People tell me its not that bad, or think they've experienced all kratom wds can offer when they haven't . these alkaloids are hundreds timr s stronger than morphine it can be a lot worse.
This isn't directed at anyone specificly , its just been a big struggle for me and controls my life still even after my shit state banned it. Feels like anytime I start a taper and get some progress my depression just says fuck it and I'm right back again.
I agree completely. I was expecting way worse hence me putting it off for awhile. The fear of having to go through what I went through previous times quitting. Idk why my body has been reacting differently lately. Like I said earlier, I was barely getting a buzz of 12 plus gram doses. While a year ago, 6 grams would rock me and I would suffer bad withdrawals. So I think if you are getting seriously high from kratom, you can expect to pay the piper for it. Since I wasn't really getting very high lately from huge amounts, I don't have to suffer bad withdrawals. Tis a weird drug like that
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24013112 - 01/15/17 08:40 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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It gives me some hope to hear that, its been a good while since I've been able to get high on tom but still feel strong depression and fatigue in the first couple hours past a missed dose.
I've explored some options and wondering if anyone had had success with dxm or nitrous knocking their tolerance down during a taper and keeping that ground?
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Panaeolus92]
#24013278 - 01/15/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I tapered quite a lot for about a month. What seemed to help the most was either phenibut or immodium on my drop days along with lots of green tea, l theanine, 5 htp and I've heard black seed oil can help too. But mostly phenibut or benzos are the biggest help in my experience. And while I'm feeling alright now, that month of tapering was pretty frustrating and had a lot of days where I just said fuck it and dosed high again. The trick is to jump back on the wagon asap so you don't waste the time you've tapered. Little slips for a day or two don't seem to hurt you much. But I hate tapering. The smaller doses just tease me and it's so hard not to take more instead of eat a meal. So I prefer CT if you can get some free time. I couldn't stand tapering anymore and kept fucking up anyways so I dropped off this weekend. Ideaally I'd take a week or two off work and get rid of any kratom in my house and stock up on comfort meds, but I don't need that this time apparently.
One thing I've noticed that will really help is that when kratom wears off, there is a window of time of rebound effects where I get very irritable and depressed until my next dose. But I've realised that that feeling lessens after awhile until your physical withdrawal symptoms kick in. So a lot of the struggle is getting past that initial window of irritation. Then it's like I need to dose or eat cuz I can't dose for another 3 hours after I eat, so the cycle continues. Just being aware of how this cycle of mood works helped me a lot. I'm already in a way better mood than I was caught in between doses of the ups and downs.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24013654 - 01/16/17 02:09 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I always recommend blue lotus.... it is legal, and helped a few of my friends in similar situations.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: VYBEv2]
#24016967 - 01/17/17 10:11 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Well I caves this morning. Not because I was suffering from symptoms. Or anything. I have just been having minor cravings. This morning I was slow to get up and a bit lethargic and just said f*** it I want some Kratom just out of habit. I really didn't need any but I took some anyway just cuz I felt like something was missing the habit of taking Kratom itself. I kept my stash at my friend's place and we agreed that it Be OK for me to just take one dose and leave the rest with him. I got a great buzz and I don't really regret it but I don't want to slip back into that habit of daily dosing. I would say I was about 90% back to normal so it's not that big of a deal in my mind the worst part so far or lack of motivation and Cravings that were minor.
I won't be taking any more Kratom at least through the weekend. I have promised myself that I would keep it at once per week for the foreseeable future. I have slowly been implementing daily meditation and exercise and also improving my diet. These are all key steps to recovery and are just great habits for long term. If anyone has any ideas help deal with Cravings please let me know. Overall this quitting experience has been way way easier than I anticipated especially considering how hard it was the first time I quit cold turkey. The number one thing I can recommend for Kratom withdrawal is phenibut but used sparingly. I will continue to update this thread and answer any questions you guys may have.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
#24017334 - 01/17/17 01:05 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Please do continue to update. I am reading with interest. How's your libido if you don't mind me asking? Seems that libido is often tied to motivation and low mood.
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: pslyke]
#24017679 - 01/17/17 03:06 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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I just bought mitragyna hirsuta. It's supposed to be a different alkaloid (or something, i have no degree in chemistry so take everything here with a grain of salt) than regular kratom (mitragyna speciosa).
I looked around on reddit and they said it's noticeably different than kratom, someone claimed it was slightly more drunk feeling than regular.
But I've been thinking of trying to use this to help with withdrawal for a tolerance break.
Has anyone here tried this stuff? I saw a thread here a few weeks ago about it, but it didn't really get any response.
I should also mention i probably spelled mitragyna, speciosa and hirsuita wrong. So this is my apology for shit grammar.
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Dude don't use phenibut for kratom WD... phenibut WD is worse. Also if you're going to quit, quit. don't take it once a week. your receptors need time to repair
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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: morrowasted]
#24018772 - 01/17/17 11:16 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah I figured someone would frown upon phenibut usage. But like I said before, I have great results from it. Even using multiple days as long as I taper right away. And to the previous guy, yeah my libido have been crap while on kratom, but when I quit, and especially when I take phenibut, it comes roaring back with a vengeance.
But you're right about taking kratom once a week. I need like a full month or two break. It's that fucking addict mind saying it's ok to take a little here and there. I need some real time away before I should even entertain the idea
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