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Another go at kratom withdrawal
    #24007885 - 01/13/17 05:47 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

The nuisance of an addict within me keeps me coming back to abuse kratom. The endless cycle of touching the stove. I'm no newbie to this game. Initially I used for 1.5 years for a pain condition up to 30g daily. Quit cold turkey for 2 months, then started back up. Quickly up to 30-40g a day for the next 6 months. And here I am again quitting cold turkey. I've tried tapering but I just don't have the self control. I'm in drug court, surprise surprise, so I can't take any benzos to help.

At my disposal I have phenibut, kava, benadryl, unisom, melatonin, sudafed, loperimide, b vitamins, multivitamin, fish oil, whey protein, creatine, black seed oil, 5 htp, green tea, and l theanine. Most of these are simple, yet healthy in general. My best meds for comfort are phenibut and loperamide which I'll be using sparingly.

I will also be implementing meditation, exercise and baths/sauna daily. And probably a Fuck ton of netflix. Try to eat as well as I can with a shitty appetite. I welcome any if you who have had experiences with kratom withdrawal and to share or offer any advice. I know there are worst things to be hooked on, but I just can't seem to get past kratom. Thanks for reading


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24007892 - 01/13/17 05:49 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Why don't you taper?

Oh nvm I can't read.  I don't know maybe get someone else to help with the taper.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24007921 - 01/13/17 06:01 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Why don't you taper?

Oh nvm I can't read.  I don't know maybe get someone else to help with the taper.



I've been somewhat successful tapering the past month. Up and down. Do ok for a few days, then fuck it up with big doses for another couple days. On average, I've dropped to about 20 from 40g. So it was a semi taper and now I just want to rip the bandaid off. Shouldn't be too bad. Just gonna be a depressing few days and I'll be good


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24007924 - 01/13/17 06:04 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

The kava would really help. It feels a lot like alcohol and benzos for me. I doubt drug court would test for that either. Kava was a game changer for me a few months back when I was craving drugs and still on methadone. Too bad it's fairly expensive.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24007925 - 01/13/17 06:05 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin] * 2
    #24007930 - 01/13/17 06:06 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

drug court tests for netflix btw


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24007939 - 01/13/17 06:10 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Well good luck man.  People will give you a hard time but I know it ain't easy.  I should be around if you feel like chatting.

I guess the best advice I can give is to just make yourself do things.  You're not going to be incapacitated, but depression is a bitch and it takes hard work to overcome.  Doing things even though it brings you no joy. 

Make a list of a couple goals you have or some things you'd find rewarding, and when you find yourself stewing in misery just force yourself to do it.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin] * 1
    #24007959 - 01/13/17 06:24 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Aww kratom withdrawal?

I hope yer ok in 36 hrs :guiltyascharged:


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: shadyy]
    #24007965 - 01/13/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Well good luck man.  People will give you a hard time but I know it ain't easy.  I should be around if you feel like chatting.

I guess the best advice I can give is to just make yourself do things.  You're not going to be incapacitated, but depression is a bitch and it takes hard work to overcome.  Doing things even though it brings you no joy. 

Make a list of a couple goals you have or some things you'd find rewarding, and when you find yourself stewing in misery just force yourself to do it.



Thanks man. I really want to get back into weight lifting, clean diet, meditation and my guitar. Long term joys.
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drug court tests for netflix btw



Shit... knew it was too good to be true.

I'll give kava a go. Didn't really enjoy it in the past. But if I'm anxious or can't sleep, I'll try again might be a good replacement for the next couple days


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: shadyy] * 1
    #24007966 - 01/13/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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drug court tests for netflix btw




Nice, shit made me laugh


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: stzacrack]
    #24007967 - 01/13/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Haha I hope it is that quickly. I never really gave myself a chance. I'll be sure to update this thread. I haven't dosed since this morning 12g


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24007977 - 01/13/17 06:31 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Yeah let us know how it goes.  I tapered down pretty well.  From maybe around 40g to well under 10.  I hardly get withdrawals, but haven't made it much past 36h.  People always compare it to coffee, and honestly it is about the same.  Not trying to diminish what you're doing because honestly I know it is hard.  Tapering down is hard enough.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24008035 - 01/13/17 06:56 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Yeah let us know how it goes.  I tapered down pretty well.  From maybe around 40g to well under 10.  I hardly get withdrawals, but haven't made it much past 36h.  People always compare it to coffee, and honestly it is about the same.  Not trying to diminish what you're doing because honestly I know it is hard.  Tapering down is hard enough.



Oh I agree. It was horrible my first time quitting though. Very bad physical symptoms. But this time has been a breeze tapering down. It's just the psychological connection to ingesting a substance. An habitual addiction. At this point, I barely get much of a buzz. So it's a waste yet I keep taking it. Pretty dumbI know. Part of me is expecting a very easy time now that ive made the decision of no more. Too many drugs in general the past couple years. It's due time for a break


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24008050 - 01/13/17 07:01 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Yup it's worth it stay strong.  Gimme a :pm: if you're ever having a hard time.  I'll try to steer you in the right direction.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24008256 - 01/13/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

They test for kratom now in drug court?


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Amanita86]
    #24008267 - 01/13/17 08:57 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Sounds like you have enough supplements to make it a breeze good luck. I too have a hard time leaving opiates alone when they come around or I get really stressed and order a bag of kratom. maybe one day right


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Amanita86]
    #24009321 - 01/14/17 09:49 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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They test for kratom now in drug court?



It depends. I've been in drug court for 5 months and took kratom almost every day. BUT they are aware of my previous dependence on kratom for pain. Although I guess never tested for it. I've heard of other drug courts definitely testing for it though. I just want to be done with it


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24009962 - 01/14/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

So far, so good. No major issues. Spent like 3.5 hours at the bmv though trying to square everything away with my license. I had 12 points, 2 reinstatement fees, retake driving and written exa, sr-22 insurance,etc. Kinda stressful, but had to be done. Also looking for new apartments to move to.

Today is ofdicially day 1 no kratom, last dose was at 11AM yesterday. Symptom wise, I had some akithisia and restlessness waking up. Still slept 8 hours. Very lethargic and heavyness getting started. Every moment seems a lot harder and annoyed by all the small things. Sweats and minor hot flashes. Slight congestion and runny nose.  A bit irritable and stressed. Zero appetite. Nothing too bad. I've taken phenibut and loperamide. Other otc meds as needed. None of this is new to me, but it still sucks. Not nearly as bad as I've had in the past. Relatively easy so far this time. Just thought I'd keep this thread updated for anyone else in a similar situation


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Heisencybin]
    #24010101 - 01/14/17 03:39 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

If you went 2 months without before, you can do it again.  2 months is well past withdrawal and all mental.

Being totally drug free is hard.  I know we all like something to hold on to.


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Re: Another go at kratom withdrawal [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24010372 - 01/14/17 05:36 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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If you went 2 months without before, you can do it again.  2 months is well past withdrawal and all mental.

Being totally drug free is hard.  I know we all like something to hold on to.



My first time was about a full week of shitty physical symptoms including diarreah hit flashes, cold sweats, bad restlessness and rls, insomnia, mild anxiety, no appetite, anhedonia and just feeling lethargic malaise and super heavy. Then after the first week, I was hit hard with major depression and complete lack of motivation and pleasure in life, and not as bad rls lasting another 2 weeks until I was back to baseline. If today is any sign, this time will be way way easier. It seemed like my body started rejecting kratom. I'd take higher and higher doses with barely a buzz. Yet I'd never have any hangovers and tapering was physically easy, just irritating. I barely notice any symptoms eight now except a little irritable and less appetite


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