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kronikdaheghog
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monotubs with pf tek jars
#24007497 - 01/13/17 03:13 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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i have like 15 fully colonized 1/2 pint pf tek jars (1/2 B+, 1/2 creepers)...was wondering if i could make a monotub out of them? i ask because all i can find about monotubs on here use agar and some other weird thing that i dont really understand...is there a link that could help me out concerning using cakes to monotub?
if it matters, I have the ability to autoclave any substrate and be damn near sterile for everything i do...so far ive made ~24 jars and had zero contams... my SGFC with 12 1/2 pints is doing great but im curious about monotubs
thanks
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a brick of coir plus 15 cakes some gypsum and a couple qts of verm and your good to foow any mono tek out there
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kronikdaheghog
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: Adden]
#24020464 - 01/18/17 03:47 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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i guess i just dont understand how to make it with PF tek jars cause i cant find info...its all agar stuff
Any ideas?
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id do trays with crushed up cakes in them mixed with coco/verm. doing that is risky enough. pf cakes to mono can work but it was always a 1 flush n toss. always went bad quick.
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: mushboy]
#24020486 - 01/18/17 03:56 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Mine are always fine...crumble your cakes to 10 qts of pasturized bulk
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: cronicr]
#24020503 - 01/18/17 04:00 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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what are the ingrediants of your pasteurized bulk? thanks
EDIT: i can take the bulk and autoclave the entire thing...do you include water along with whatever the bulk is?
Edited by kronikdaheghog (01/18/17 04:04 PM)
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: cronicr]
#24020523 - 01/18/17 04:10 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said: Mine are always fine...crumble your cakes to 10 qts of pasturized bulk
i am not a mushman yet. excuuuuse me.
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: cronicr]
#24020555 - 01/18/17 04:22 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
kronikdaheghog said: what are the ingrediants of your pasteurized bulk? thanks
EDIT: i can take the bulk and autoclave the entire thing...do you include water along with whatever the bulk is?
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cronicr said: a brick of coir plus 15 cakes some gypsum and a couple qts of verm and your good to foow any mono tek out there
4-5 quarts water
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: ComebackKid]
#24020721 - 01/18/17 05:20 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I have only 2 Monotubs of experience (and 20-30 BRF cakes) And both Monotubs were spawned with grated 1/2 pint BRF cakes, i "swiped" them on the finest side of the cheeze grate (you will see more modified English in the future since it's not my native language don't worrie) 5-8 cakes is enough to cover everywhere in the bulk substrate. You'll be surprised when you see how much one 1/2 pint BRF cake looks when it's grated on the finest side, i did a Minitub with 5 cakes and a Mono with 8 cakes. I got soo much volume on spawn when i did the Monotub. Full colonization in 2 days (after 2 days of spawning i suddenly decided to not have the Mono it in a black trash bag, due to reading some updated info) and to my surprise white mycelium covered everywhere and the more dense white stuff started popping up after 5 days and i put it in fruiting, but i was expecting 10 days or so. I got three flushes from both tubs, i could have gone for 1 or 2 more very small flushes if i wanted to but i decided to start on a new project right away. As a beginner i can recommend doing it this way for your first Mono. I think BRF cakes somehow are more resistent to contams or something, through all flushes i never noticed anything once. Just boosting your moral a little  and if any TC thinks i should not recommend this to a beginner i will wait with advice until i mature more! But i know i will make many more Monotubs with grated 1/2 pint BRF cakes even when i start on WBS next
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Dactylium
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You could also top fruit them in a mono and use the verm barrier as a casing layer. All you'd have to do is take the lids off after consolidation and spray the verm down. Just throwing that out there. You might get better yields crumbling into coir/verm.
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: Dactylium]
#24020768 - 01/18/17 05:37 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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My guess would be better yield top fruited
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Dactylium
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: ComebackKid]
#24020794 - 01/18/17 05:44 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Hell, if I get an isolate I'll do a shoot out between the two.
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: Dactylium]
#24020886 - 01/18/17 06:21 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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That would be interesting I'm holding you to it
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: ComebackKid]
#24020905 - 01/18/17 06:25 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I'll work toward it but to be honest I've never isolated a strain before. Time to do some homework.
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: Dactylium]
#24023315 - 01/19/17 04:03 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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actually...looks like i will only have 6 1/2 pint cakes to work with...
can someone let me know what ingredients (in volume) I should use for 6 1/2pint cakes?
also, so i should just crumble them up (brf cakes) into the whole sterile substrate or just on top or what?
or, if there is a link that explains all this (with BRF cakes to monotub/minitub) id be happy to look at it
EDIT: how about 1/2 brick (whats a brick exactly?) coir to 1qt verm? how much water would i use for this since I am gonna mix it all and autoclave it? do i really need gypsum? if so, how much? do i have to worry about any BRF? coffee for some odd reason?
Edited by kronikdaheghog (01/19/17 04:11 PM)
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You will have a hard time crumbling BRF cakes just with your fingers. Use the cheese grater and you will get a ton of inoculation points and colonize fast to get a fairly healthy substrate.
If you have only 6 cakes you could do a mini Monotub, use about 150-250g Coir, and 0.5L vermiculite and start by adding 2L water and add more later if needed.
Mix well with the spawn and let colonize.
Do this and you will have mushrooms about 10 days later.
And by the way, it\s really easy to find much better and more accurate information than what i just gave you, use the more advanced search function and you will find info in no time. What i described to you will work, i've done it.
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: Mateja]
#24024874 - 01/20/17 07:35 AM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Slurry three of the cakes into the mono with normal sub in min mono
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: tump]
#24024890 - 01/20/17 07:43 AM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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3 cakes to a tub is nothing. use more cakes.
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Re: monotubs with pf tek jars [Re: spacechildo]
#24024921 - 01/20/17 08:01 AM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Eats did one cake slurry to a mono and got 78g dry of mushrooms. 3 is over kill
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