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Gourmet mushroom company launch 4
#24007129 - 01/13/17 01:05 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I want to start off by thanking everyone on shroomery who helped me out along the way with the various nuances of production. I'm only 1 year in from the inception of cultivating mushrooms altogether and just this week I launched my company Myco-Rise. We are growing mainly oysters thus far on a myriad of different substrates with a focus on post-consumer/agricultural waste. This week I received a call from a distillery that would like to work with us to better handle their spent grains and we are also collaborating with a pHD student and a professor from the local university to provide opportunities to other young myco-minded individuals. This would not at all have been possible without the feedback I received here on the forums. So again, thank you to everyone who helped a long the way and best of luck to those trying to gain traction in mushroom cultivation. Stick to it, there will be plenty of obstacles but you can always turn to the forum for help and expert advice. Check us out on Facebook @ Myco-Rise if you ever have time. I'd like to give back to the community in anyway possible - be it; cultures, techniques, etc. Just PM me and I will do my best to help out. Here are some pics of the new facility:  The Room is much more packed than it was in this picture. There are 74 columns hanging in there as of today. We've got a mix of oysters: some pink, some elm and some grey oyster.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader] 2
#24007150 - 01/13/17 01:16 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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God damn I wish I had the capital to start something up
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: bodhisatta]
#24007165 - 01/13/17 01:23 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hey Bodhi I managed to do it almost exclusively with grant money. I'm not sure where you live but in my province they hand out money left and right for ecofriendly and sustainable start ups. You can do it brother! 1000%!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24007268 - 01/13/17 02:03 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Wow... good shit man. Goals right here.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Thedenthead]
#24007278 - 01/13/17 02:07 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Nice job! I am thinking of doing something like this on a part time basis. Any advice on starting small? Ive read all over, but nothing compares to personal experiences.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24007338 - 01/13/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Uh..nice! You should post this up in GM
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Thedenthead]
#24007358 - 01/13/17 02:33 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Thanks Bru! I wish you all the best and crazy success! We could use a lot more small and local mushroom companies. There's just way too much damn waste being thrown out into landfills when it could be producing food and CO2 instead of methane. Cirka, the distillery we are working with, admitted to us they were flushing 2000 pounds of solids from their fermentation tanks down the drain on the weekly. What was once a problem for the water treatment guys is now producing a few hundred pounds a week of oysters. Anywho good luck amigo!!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24007368 - 01/13/17 02:35 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I work in beer shit we were dumping 10k pounds of wet spent grain a day and most of it went to the trash only a small part people wanted for farm stuff
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch (moved) [Re: Homesteader]
#24007382 - 01/13/17 02:38 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
Reason: Moved to proper forum, very nice.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: bodhisatta]
#24007466 - 01/13/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Holy SHIZZZ man! You guys could of supplied a city with mushrooms grown on those quantities of spent grain.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24007489 - 01/13/17 03:09 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Congrats! Those pinks look amazing by the way
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Tmethyl]
#24007491 - 01/13/17 03:10 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Yeah man, congrats to your setup !!!
what is the floor space of your operation?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: imanlyman]
#24007503 - 01/13/17 03:15 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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imanlyman said: Nice job! I am thinking of doing something like this on a part time basis. Any advice on starting small? Ive read all over, but nothing compares to personal experiences.
Great question! The catch is I found growing mushrooms to really be an economy of scale type of business. If you spend an hour pasteurising in a 20L pot for example or you spend the same hour pasteurising a 1000L tote you're out an hour of time either way. I found it only to be cost effective once we had large enough equipment which we obtained by using grant money and some personal investment. I feel there isn't anyway to really start small and build up your capital to the point where you will be able to afford these things. This isn't to say dont go small. Quite the contrary actually! Starting small, although usually not/much less profitable, is a great way to learn the ins and outs of each stage of production. I started off by learning proper lab technique and how to deal with sterile culture. Before I even grew a mushroom I could poor a petri dish from properly sterilised agar. This really is the foundation of mushroom cultivation. After learning how to prepare inoculants/Agar/spore syringes you can move on to dialling in your grain spawn preparing and inoculation techniques. Once you are actively making healthy and usable grain spawn the rest becomes easier and easier because you now have a steady supply of spawn to experiment with and to try your hand at cultivating different species on different substrates. As far as species go, start with something fool proof like the elm or grey oyster - they grow fast and have quite the ability to resist contamination. Alternatively, if you don't plan on doing indoor cultivation, you could always use your spawn to prepare outdoor beds or inoculate dowels and make logs. All in all, begin to understand the vegetative part of the fungus and you will find yourself cultivating its fruiting body not long after.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Snagman17]
#24007506 - 01/13/17 03:15 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Thank you sir!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: circles]
#24007516 - 01/13/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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circles said: Yeah man, congrats to your setup !!!
what is the floor space of your operation?
Thanks brother! Working hard for the mycelium We use about 1200 Square feet between the grow chamber/incubation area, the lab and the prep room. We could definitely have done it in less space but it is always nice to work in a clean and open environment. I don't know about you but I'm not fond of being squished between 20 columns :p (actually thats a lie lol $$$$)
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24007639 - 01/13/17 04:02 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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very cool setup + very inspirational! Currently working on a similar project and grant application in south Ontario
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: poponon]
#24007656 - 01/13/17 04:09 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Im so jealous of this set up right now. Im with Bod, I wish I could set up something like this.
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I think I'm legitimately going to look into this grant process...
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: bodhisatta]
#24007722 - 01/13/17 04:33 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Incredible job dude. I've never seen such a well organized lab!
I completed a 12x12 grow room about a year and a half ago but only got a few weeks use out of it before I left the country. I'd like to think I really gotten down the production process, but I never sold a single mushroom. I'd be really interested in that aspect of things as it is more ambiguous. I just don't know if there's a large enough market where I live. It's a seasonal town that really only has 3-4 months where the farmer's market and restaurants are bustling. I have a bit of anxiety too, so approaching a restaurant was always a bit daunting to me.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: beastcoast]
#24007745 - 01/13/17 04:41 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I would weld legs onto every table so that I could work standing up at chest height. but that's a minor detail everything else is perfection
also the ducting I wouldn't have suck air from the floor. I would have them pull air from higher up. the prefilter takes care of it but why dirty it up prematurely. unless you want to purposefully try to suck the floor clean"er"
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: poponon]
#24007790 - 01/13/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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poponon said: very cool setup + very inspirational! Currently working on a similar project and grant application in south Ontario 
Southern Ontario! No way we are in Quebec right on the eastern boarder of Ontario. I'm not sure how far you are from montreal but you are always welcome to come see the mushroom facility! Just pm me Good luck with your grant application and project. I know Ontario is very active agriculturally speaking and especially when the projects are ecofriendly/sustainable. Cheers
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: bodhisatta]
#24007816 - 01/13/17 05:12 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Awesome job and great lookin' setup!! Congrats on your success thus far!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: bodhisatta]
#24007838 - 01/13/17 05:21 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I would weld legs onto every table so that I could work standing up at chest height. but that's a minor detail everything else is perfection
also the ducting I wouldn't have suck air from the floor. I would have them pull air from higher up. the prefilter takes care of it but why dirty it up prematurely. unless you want to purposefully try to suck the floor clean"er"
The entire room is a class 10 clean room. The Flow's are just re-filtering the same air over and over. The entire room is sealed with double sided plastic, the seems have been taped up and it is all wiped down with 70% ethanol on the weekly. I only ever enter the room in my tyvek suit with a mask and gloves (overkill i guess) and I carry my 2x 41qt all americans into the room while they are still hot and at 1-3psi. I let them cool in the airflow. I also turn down the thermostat a few hours before and run the A/C in the adjacent room to indirectly cool the room before bringing the hot cookers. Before I developed this technique the room would go up to 35Celcius just from the heat off my cookers because it's a hermetically sealed room.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: beastcoast]
#24007849 - 01/13/17 05:27 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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beastcoast said: Incredible job dude. I've never seen such a well organized lab!
I completed a 12x12 grow room about a year and a half ago but only got a few weeks use out of it before I left the country. I'd like to think I really gotten down the production process, but I never sold a single mushroom. I'd be really interested in that aspect of things as it is more ambiguous. I just don't know if there's a large enough market where I live. It's a seasonal town that really only has 3-4 months where the farmer's market and restaurants are bustling. I have a bit of anxiety too, so approaching a restaurant was always a bit daunting to me.
If there's a will there's a way. You could always dehydrate your mushrooms and sell them on amazon or online. Unsold mushrooms can be transformed into processed products such as canned in oil, etc. The other option would be to get over the anxiety When you love something it becomes easier to talk about it, to sell yourself and your product. Also, for the first few grows I just ate the mushrooms and gave them to friends and family so don't worry about not having sold any or tested the market. These tasty treats speak for themselves. There is no way you wont sell some beautiful pinks! Good Luck man! make it happen!!!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24007861 - 01/13/17 05:34 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Homesteader said: it's a hermetically sealed room.
Don't forget you need to breath.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Shu]
#24007879 - 01/13/17 05:42 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Shu said:
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Homesteader said: it's a hermetically sealed room.
Don't forget you need to breath.
I breath CO2 brother, I'm anaerobic like that :P Every time the door is opened stale air will leave at ground level and fresh air will make its way in up high. Or with temperature difference the convective cycles will exchange the air slightly. So technically it isn't the 'same' air per say. However, air exchange is kept to an absolute minimum. I agree with Bodhi though mounting them higher would have extended the life but I found mounting them to the table base to be less 'invasive'. The location is rented and I didnt want to drill into the ceiling. All the plastic is held with staples so I really tried to avoid creating holes that I'd have to patch up.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24008631 - 01/14/17 01:10 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Bonjour Quebec! Trop la classe! Nice read! Shroom on! Greets from France
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#24008961 - 01/14/17 06:24 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Homesteader said: Cirka, the distillery we are working with, admitted to us they were flushing 2000 pounds of solids from their fermentation tanks down the drain on the weekly. What was once a problem for the water treatment guys is now producing a few hundred pounds a week of oysters. 
Now that right there is awesome in itself! Great job, I love your philosophy and what you're doing, hope it keeps working out well, congratulations!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: frog48]
#24009316 - 01/14/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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frog48 said: Bonjour Quebec! Trop la classe! Nice read! Shroom on! Greets from France 
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Forrester]
#24009342 - 01/14/17 09:59 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Thanks brother! Funny you're into chickens and ducks I used to work at the poultry building on campus. I worked with broilers and layers for a year. Typical mechanized/commercial production though. I honestly hated it but I've always wanted to keep some chickens in my backyard and let them pick the worms out the vermicompost one day soon cheers
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24009523 - 01/14/17 11:03 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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First just let me say, amazing pictures! I love your set up. It looks like we are on a very similar scale. I was curious about a few things, in what capacity are you using the spent grain? Grain spawn or supplementing your sub? I have three local breweries near me and am very interested in this.
Also, any info on your flow hoods? I love the detached blower design and the size of the hepas. Seems very easy to work in front of.
Nice work man!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: MycoFlora]
#24009917 - 01/14/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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MycoFlora said: First just let me say, amazing pictures! I love your set up. It looks like we are on a very similar scale. I was curious about a few things, in what capacity are you using the spent grain? Grain spawn or supplementing your sub? I have three local breweries near me and am very interested in this.
Also, any info on your flow hoods? I love the detached blower design and the size of the hepas. Seems very easy to work in front of.
Nice work man!
Thanks for the love bro! Also, congrats on getting your set up this far and I hope you continue to grow it. I'm going to make a grow log on exactly step by step what I do with the spent grain. The batches vary but what always remains the same is my technique. I pack my blended grains/coffee/cardboard/wtv else into 5 pound myco bags and then I sterilise them and inoculate each one with one quart of spawn. Here are some pictures from the coffee cardboard run.  I was using my all Americans to sterilise but it was a lot of work so I recently built a low pressure steriliser out of a 55 gallon drum - The designs for which I found on Youtube from the grow Myers Mushrooms. All the best !
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Homesteader said: Thanks brother! Funny you're into chickens and ducks I used to work at the poultry building on campus. I worked with broilers and layers for a year. Typical mechanized/commercial production though. I honestly hated it but I've always wanted to keep some chickens in my backyard and let them pick the worms out the vermicompost one day soon cheers
Hell yeah, it's much more fun doing the homesteading type! Get yourself some bantam chickens, I've got some in the incubator trying to hatch a few more, they're the cutest things ever!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Forrester]
#24010813 - 01/14/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: flyontoast]
#24012518 - 01/15/17 04:06 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Nice one mate, top job. I'm looking forward to your posts.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Ferather]
#24012543 - 01/15/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Awesome thread, keep it up Homesteader!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24013405 - 01/15/17 11:05 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Homesteader said: Southern Ontario! No way we are in Quebec right on the eastern boarder of Ontario. I'm not sure how far you are from montreal but you are always welcome to come see the mushroom facility! Just pm me Good luck with your grant application and project. I know Ontario is very active agriculturally speaking and especially when the projects are ecofriendly/sustainable. Cheers
I'm just on the west side of the GTA, outside of Guelph , so quite a ways from Montreal. If I happen to go through the area though I'd love to check the place out! Thanks for the kind words, going for a meeting with the local gov't business center soon . Your company is very encouraging! Thanks for the tips on focusing on the sustainable and ecofriendly aspect - That will definitely help out.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company launch [Re: Homesteader]
#24105551 - 02/20/17 01:55 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Homesteader said: I want to start off by thanking everyone on shroomery who helped me out along the way with the various nuances of production. I'm only 1 year in from the inception of cultivating mushrooms altogether and just this week I launched my company Myco-Rise. We are growing mainly oysters thus far on a myriad of different substrates with a focus on post-consumer/agricultural waste. This week I received a call from a distillery that would like to work with us to better handle their spent grains and we are also collaborating with a pHD student and a professor from the local university to provide opportunities to other young myco-minded individuals. This would not at all have been possible without the feedback I received here on the forums. So again, thank you to everyone who helped a long the way and best of luck to those trying to gain traction in mushroom cultivation. Stick to it, there will be plenty of obstacles but you can always turn to the forum for help and expert advice. Check us out on Facebook @ Myco-Rise if you ever have time. I'd like to give back to the community in anyway possible - be it; cultures, techniques, etc. Just PM me and I will do my best to help out. Here are some pics of the new facility
sent you a PM, nice article!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24109285 - 02/21/17 07:37 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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good stuff!!! I dream of doing the same thingish some day. best of luck to you!!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: skullphuxxx]
#24111522 - 02/22/17 05:37 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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skullphuxxx said: good stuff!!! I dream of doing the same thingish some day. best of luck to you!!

Thank you bru! All the best to you as well.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24113706 - 02/23/17 02:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: HighValley]
#24113714 - 02/23/17 02:56 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: HighValley]
#24114404 - 02/23/17 07:29 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
also interested in seeing this! would be a nice use of spent grain from brewing at home. couple breweries around here too
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: HighValley]
#24129403 - 03/01/17 05:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
So to answer the 'big' question, Yes I will certainly do a write up on how exactly I do my brewers spent grain. This week at myco-rise we are building a double barrel 55gallon steam sterilizer. Every single detail of the build and pictures are all being logged and this will be the next write I plan on doing before the spent grain tek. I think you will all enjoy this build as I have engineered one hell of a sterilizer. I plan on running between 5-10 psi In it. I know you're all thinking "this guy is going to blow himself up! 10psi in a 55gallon drum!!!!" but have faith shroomers, I have over-engineered this bad boy. Our budget is 2500$ CAD (~1800$ usd) but I doubt we'll use the entire amount. The design features 2x 55gallon stainless steel drums for a total of 416L or 110U.s. Gallons (~ 90 imperial gallons) of sterilization capacity. We also sourced out high temp/high pressure gaskets and welded supports to the cover and welded the seem in the barrel for added support. I would feel safe going up to 20psi but for now we will be playing around with 10. I estimate the system will be fully finished within a few weeks and then I'll have time to get back on shroomery and post about it.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24129424 - 03/01/17 05:52 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
So to answer the 'big' question, Yes I will certainly do a write up on how exactly I do my brewers spent grain. This week at myco-rise we are building a double barrel 55gallon steam sterilizer. Every single detail of the build and pictures are all being logged and this will be the next write I plan on doing before the spent grain tek. I think you will all enjoy this build as I have engineered one hell of a sterilizer. I plan on running between 5-10 psi In it. I know you're all thinking "this guy is going to blow himself up! 10psi in a 55gallon drum!!!!" but have faith shroomers, I have over-engineered this bad boy. Our budget is 2500$ CAD (~1800$ usd) but I doubt we'll use the entire amount. The design features 2x 55gallon stainless steel drums for a total of 416L or 110U.s. Gallons (~ 90 imperial gallons) of sterilization capacity. We also sourced out high temp/high pressure gaskets and welded supports to the cover and welded the seem in the barrel for added support. I would feel safe going up to 20psi but for now we will be playing around with 10. I estimate the system will be fully finished within a few weeks and then I'll have time to get back on shroomery and post about it.
Thanks to everyone following our progress at Myco-Rise
i'd be very careful and don't tell your insurance company! 10psi would be 4500lbs behind each end and 20 is....terrifying. i know a farmer in oregon who worked at a place that had a failure. blew the lid thru the rafters 20ft up. injured someone pretty badly. having run 100gal drums daily for 2 years i can attest that 4 psi will bow the bottoms out...food for thought. we also saw some tiny hairline cracks along 2 of the welded pipe fittings...
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24129446 - 03/01/17 06:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haha no I definitely won't tell the insurance company. The stainless barrel I'm getting is rated to 60psi of water pressure. I read through numerous papers that said around 14psi of vapor pressure a 55gallon steel drum will fail at the lid because the lid is lifted so high that the gasket no longer forms a seal and thus leaks out all the pressure. This design utilize stainless drums that are well reinforced along with a gasket and ring designed for higher temps and pressure. The barrel certainly won't rupture like a frag grenade contrary to what most people think. These barrels always fail at the lid but to be safe we are enclosing the barrels within a steel box loaded with insulation. Furthermore there will be a safety wire or clip that prevents the drum lid from blowing out into our faces. The barrels are coming straight from the manufacturer and he seems to think 10psi of vapor pressure would be a joke for these stainless drums. Especially since we are getting 16 gauge stainless when even regular steel drums are usually 18gauge and 20gauge for the lid. I would not advise using a standard steel drum for anything over 1-3psi.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24129628 - 03/01/17 07:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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sounds like a good plan
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24129731 - 03/01/17 08:04 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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very cool stuff that sterilizer sounds like a dream! a nightmare if things go bad lol. Interested in seeing your write up and info on the brewery grain process. awesome stuff
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: poponon]
#24131773 - 03/02/17 05:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very inspiring! Thank you for sharing with us.
Im working on my 130sqf room now. I got a 58galon drum already and im looking for a way to pasteurize/sterilizer the straw in a simple and productive way.
Can you post details how you pasteurize/sterilize the straw?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Hugofly]
#24134659 - 03/03/17 09:45 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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looking good man! With your 5 lb bags, you only need like 1/4 of a quart per 5 lb bag. pink oyster is an awesome starter strain, one of the most forgiving. Good luck!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24134818 - 03/03/17 10:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
So to answer the 'big' question, Yes I will certainly do a write up on how exactly I do my brewers spent grain. This week at myco-rise we are building a double barrel 55gallon steam sterilizer. Every single detail of the build and pictures are all being logged and this will be the next write I plan on doing before the spent grain tek. I think you will all enjoy this build as I have engineered one hell of a sterilizer. I plan on running between 5-10 psi In it. I know you're all thinking "this guy is going to blow himself up! 10psi in a 55gallon drum!!!!" but have faith shroomers, I have over-engineered this bad boy. Our budget is 2500$ CAD (~1800$ usd) but I doubt we'll use the entire amount. The design features 2x 55gallon stainless steel drums for a total of 416L or 110U.s. Gallons (~ 90 imperial gallons) of sterilization capacity. We also sourced out high temp/high pressure gaskets and welded supports to the cover and welded the seem in the barrel for added support. I would feel safe going up to 20psi but for now we will be playing around with 10. I estimate the system will be fully finished within a few weeks and then I'll have time to get back on shroomery and post about it.
Thanks to everyone following our progress at Myco-Rise
For 5000 you could buy a 10'X5' sterilizer from china shipped. Why not just play it safe and save up more money.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24134995 - 03/04/17 12:36 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea, you don't need to pressurize drums to sterilize bulk substrate. I make 70 5 lb bags a week in my 85 gal single drum steamer at 3800 ft with no pressure. I haven't had a contaminated bag in months.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Gr0wer]
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This is awesome! Looking forward to the spent grain tek.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24135377 - 03/04/17 07:17 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would that be with or without a boiler? Also, It's not just about max size for us. The system we are designing is modular and portable. We built it to the max dimensions that could fit through a door. The top section that houses the drums is separate from the bottom boiler section and they are going to add a quick connector to join the too. The quick connect and the line is rating to 150psi of steam pressure. It is meant for steam cleaning. Everything in this application is rated for high steam pressure with the exception of the drum. Moreover, a 304grade stainless drum can easily handle vapor pressure. The weak link is the gasket on the lid. We have sourced alternative gaskets that fit the drum, ranging from teflon to vitron. I think for 2000$ CAD all said and done this will be well worth it. In the future when I upgrade the setup I would certainly consider a large system. I also don't necessarily trust anything Chinese built more than what I'm building with 4 engineers from the university
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Gr0wer]
#24135394 - 03/04/17 07:27 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: yea, you don't need to pressurize drums to sterilize bulk substrate. I make 70 5 lb bags a week in my 85 gal single drum steamer at 3800 ft with no pressure. I haven't had a contaminated bag in months.
This is true. However, pressurizing it cuts my cook time down from 22 hours to 4-5 hours... The system will cost me much less to operate and run much more efficiently. I will also be using it to make grain spawn from here on out. My goal is to supply the 3 other mushroom companies in the greater montreal area with spawn. My largest competitor, blanc de gris, buys several hundred myco-bags a month. I want to get in on the action :P
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24136055 - 03/04/17 12:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: yea, you don't need to pressurize drums to sterilize bulk substrate. I make 70 5 lb bags a week in my 85 gal single drum steamer at 3800 ft with no pressure. I haven't had a contaminated bag in months.
This is true. However, pressurizing it cuts my cook time down from 22 hours to 4-5 hours... The system will cost me much less to operate and run much more efficiently. I will also be using it to make grain spawn from here on out. My goal is to supply the 3 other mushroom companies in the greater montreal area with spawn. My largest competitor, blanc de gris, buys several hundred myco-bags a month. I want to get in on the action :P
You only need a little boiler to run at low pressure(about 500-700$. It takes much more fuel to run a sterilizer at 15psi for 3hrs than 1-2psi for longer. I'd hate to say it but it sounds like your trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24136847 - 03/04/17 05:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: yea, you don't need to pressurize drums to sterilize bulk substrate. I make 70 5 lb bags a week in my 85 gal single drum steamer at 3800 ft with no pressure. I haven't had a contaminated bag in months.
This is true. However, pressurizing it cuts my cook time down from 22 hours to 4-5 hours... The system will cost me much less to operate and run much more efficiently. I will also be using it to make grain spawn from here on out. My goal is to supply the 3 other mushroom companies in the greater montreal area with spawn. My largest competitor, blanc de gris, buys several hundred myco-bags a month. I want to get in on the action :P
You only need a little boiler to run at low pressure(about 500-700$. It takes much more fuel to run a sterilizer at 15psi for 3hrs than 1-2psi for longer. I'd hate to say it but it sounds like your trying to reinvent the wheel.
Im sorry but you are just making figures up in your head mate. 1500watts for 22 hours is 33KWH whereas jason from motown told me his system (which this is modeled after) has 2x 1500 watt elements which run for 15sec every minute. That is 2 hours on for an 8hour run which is a total of 6Kwh. However, he runs at around 3psi and I plan on going higher - this will in turn will cut the cook time down further. I don't know why you make these claims without running some numbers.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
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You admit there's 74 logs in there now but won't post the picture? Shame on you sir. There are porn addicts on this site. Also, where is the brewery grain tek? J/k. Good job! Looking forward to your future posts
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24137211 - 03/04/17 08:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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However, he runs at around 3psi and I plan on going higher - this will in turn will cut the cook time down further.
Higher with what? A 1500kw what @15psi? How long do you think it is going to take to get the air out and get it to 15psi?
I said fuel. Gas is by far more economical than electricity.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24138263 - 03/05/17 10:18 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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However, he runs at around 3psi and I plan on going higher - this will in turn will cut the cook time down further.
Higher with what? A 1500kw what @15psi? How long do you think it is going to take to get the air out and get it to 15psi?
I said fuel. Gas is by far more economical than electricity.
Not here dude, we got less than a dime per KWh most of the year...That said if you were going to get a commercial scale boiler you would be hard pressed to find an electric one. My lights flicker enough when my 30kW tankless heater turns on hehe
Can you really get a 5x10 new retort for less than $5K? Unicorn Lou was trying to quote me more than that for a used one. I've also found out from my friends that bought some off him and J Holliday, that buying a boiler and having it fitted can be 1-2x the cost of the actual retort. Caveat Emptor
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24138391 - 03/05/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah exactly. Same here. We pay 0.05$/ KwH. So it works out to less than a dollar for a full run sterilizing 110GALLONS of volume. Also an electric boiler to generate steam is not the same as heating water. Water holds much more energy than steam and requires a shit ton of energy to heat up. At 5psi it takes 1lbs of water to saturate 157gallons of volume with steam. Obviously some water will be trapped as condensate and you need to make sure the electric burners are always submerged so you need head space. But a 20 Gallon 3000watt hot water tank could easily serve as a boiler for 4x 55gallon drums if the drums are insulated, the condensate doesn't collect in the barrels (or any condensate can return to the boiler) and the system is a closed loop.
So the 2 builds I'm comparing are the following https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17319669 This is a double barrel drum sterilizer built by jason from motown mushrooms. It runs 3psi and the boiler is a 40gallon hot water heat with the 2x elements replaced with 1500watt elements and wired to be either on/off rather than switching between the 2 elements like a normal hot water tank would. He employs a mercoid switch to control power to the tank which maintains his preset temperature. He claims it runs only 15 sec every minute which would imply 6KwH for an 8 hour run, add another 2-3 hours in for heating and we are still under 20KwH which is 1.40$ CAD where I live and would be ~2.00$ at 10cents per KwH.
The other build I'm comparing too is the typical 55gallon low pressure drum sterilizer that employs a 1500watt element to heat a reserve of water which creates steam that then leaves the drum and heats your room like a MOFO! Lost heat and energy. Not to mention the system has to run for 20hours to achieve sterilization. Which as I mentioned is ~30 Kwh. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23970996 This one is built by Gr0wer and don't get me wrong, it is a great build and is super cost effective. We however, have the budget for a much better build.
Propane brazing the outside of your conductive pot is in no way more energy efficient than using an electric element mounted inside of the reservoir you are trying to heat. With propane you lose half your damn heat to the room, you produce deadly amounts of CO2 and you have to do it outside or in a well vented area. Furthermore, if you are heating the outside you can't have an insulated pot or boiler because you are utilizing an open flame. Electricity is the way to go unless you live in a place where gas is cheap as shit and electricity is extremely over priced.
Also, the design we are building is a heavily modified version of jason's build. We will have many features including being able to select whatever pressure we desire. Water vapor pressure directly correlates to a particular temperature based on elevation. That said, using a thermocouple we can achieve any desired temp. Be it, low pressure for extended periods of time or high pressure for less time. For now everyone will have to sit back and relax while we finish the build and then post the entire thing. Everyone just needs to have faith that 4 engineers from the most reputed canadian university will be fine building a mini autoclave lol. No one is reinventing the wheel. We are simply building a large sterilizer for cheap. We are over engineering and using high grade stainless steel for safety. These claims from lipa that I can get a 5'x10' sterilizer for 5000$ are absolutely outrageous. It would be 5k$ in shipping alone. A proper boiler for that size room would be 5-10k as well not to mention it would need to be connected by a professional to be considered 'to code' and to not void any warranty, assuming there would be one from a Chinese supplier lolll
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24138619 - 03/05/17 12:28 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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However, he runs at around 3psi and I plan on going higher - this will in turn will cut the cook time down further.
Higher with what? A 1500kw what @15psi? How long do you think it is going to take to get the air out and get it to 15psi?
I said fuel. Gas is by far more economical than electricity.
Not here dude, we got less than a dime per KWh most of the year...That said if you were going to get a commercial scale boiler you would be hard pressed to find an electric one. My lights flicker enough when my 30kW tankless heater turns on hehe
Can you really get a 5x10 new retort for less than $5K? Unicorn Lou was trying to quote me more than that for a used one. I've also found out from my friends that bought some off him and J Holliday, that buying a boiler and having it fitted can be 1-2x the cost of the actual retort. Caveat Emptor
Jeeez...yes you pay way less than i for electricity. Mine is from 25-48 cents KW Yes you can get a 5x10 from between 4000 and 6000. Shipping for my 22ft is only 1200$ . If you share a container with someone a 10ft retort would be pretty cheap to ship. You could buy a used boiler for cheap and run a 10ft autoclave at low pressure for a good price. You could even use an old steam kettle boiler. Unicorn Lou was probably trying to make some money. Holliday would go to old canneries and buy up a group of retorts and make money selling them to people. Honestly... I wouldn't buy a used steel retort from anyone unless it was fairly new. They all rust and degrade fairly quickly no matter how much care you give them. Steel if freakin cheap as hell nowadays in china so most of what you are paying is labor. A 22ftx6ft retort is 18,000$ shipped with racks inside and Siemens control console w/valves (14,000 without bells and whistles). Stainless is double that and totally worth it.
Yes for a nice big gas boiler to run at 15psi and installed is a good chunk of change. It is costing me around $53,000 to get ours put in with labor for a .5ton/hr boiler. You can run a small retort with a low pressure home boiler at low psi easy. Homestead.... a 200 gal retort is available (they are available in all sizes) and would cost you the same price as you plan to spend maybe just a little more (Much more safer). I hope you are considering all the cost into your farm operation. Running fans, labor (including yourself), water, cooler to store the mushrooms, lighting,cost of making your spawn, vehicle to deliver, gas, bags, substrate even more.... I really don't see you making money producing less than a hundred bags a day. I hope you can but I doubt it. Spent grain is not that great.
I am not trying to rag on you I just think these little boiler builds are going to end up killing someone. 15psi is super dangerous for a thin walled barrel.... stainless or not. Drake's setup is much more safer and you can still do a hell of a lot of bags at a time. I would get in contact with him and try to do something like he is doing. If you want to crop a lot of mushrooms at once you have to make a lot of bags up at once.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: MorePies]
#24138787 - 03/05/17 01:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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sometimes I wish I had a large autoclave but it sounds like it would cost almost as much as my whole farm to set up once that does about as much as my humble steam shack will do. Only down side to low pressure is the cook and cooling time vs an autoclave. I would echo what Lipa said about batch size. I did 100 bags by hand with my wife 6 days a week for over a year and it SUCKED. Compared with 400 or 500 twice a week, using a mixer and the steam shed; it's about twice the production in half the time with a bit more equipment. Only thing I wish I had stainless barrels for now is fermenting some beer or something :)
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24139216 - 03/05/17 04:26 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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drake89 said: sometimes I wish I had a large autoclave but it sounds like it would cost almost as much as my whole farm to set up once that does about as much as my humble steam shack will do. Only down side to low pressure is the cook and cooling time vs an autoclave. I would echo what Lipa said about batch size. I did 100 bags by hand with my wife 6 days a week for over a year and it SUCKED. Compared with 400 or 500 twice a week, using a mixer and the steam shed; it's about twice the production in half the time with a bit more equipment. Only thing I wish I had stainless barrels for now is fermenting some beer or something :)
The system we are building should easily be able to do several hundred a day. Cook time at 10psi should be ~4-5hours. I will unload the system while it is still hot as soon as the pressure gauge reads 0psi. The first set of bags can cool infront of the 8' laminar wall while the next batch runs taking advantage of the, still hot, 40 gallons of water in the tank. I'm totally in agreement with you regarding the autoclave. We spent 10k on the whole farm so I wasn't exactly prepared to spend another 10k just on an autoclave. The drum build is leveraging the most we can for now and I believe it is a superb upgrade from carrying my 2x AA41's up 2 flights of stairs while still hot. Not to mention we spent 1400$ CAD on those 2 which give us a total volume of 84quarts. The drum sterilizers are 110gallons combined.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
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i think you're nuts. even after up to 8hrs my bags were too hot to handle. i wouldn't suggest trying to handle bags at 212F for several reasons, least of all your hands! they will be not "sealed" which unicorn bags tend to do when cool(ish) and more prone to sucking in nasties. which could be a problem if you don't have a clean room.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
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drake89 said: i think you're nuts. even after up to 8hrs my bags were too hot to handle. i wouldn't suggest trying to handle bags at 212F for several reasons, least of all your hands! they will be not "sealed" which unicorn bags tend to do when cool(ish) and more prone to sucking in nasties. which could be a problem if you don't have a clean room.
Dude my room is a class 10 clean room.. Positively HEPA pressurized room with an 8' laminar flow. The sterilizer is going in the lab.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24140541 - 03/06/17 07:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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and to answer your concerns regarding heat. https://www.tedpella.com/gloves_html/81724.jpg Autoclave gloves..
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
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Just listen to Drake on this one ; )
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what temp do you keep those babies at for fruiting?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24143210 - 03/07/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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drake89 said: brave man
Thank you sir!:p
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24143325 - 03/07/17 09:39 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm with drake and Iipa. low pressure steambox. Lot safer than an refurbished autoclave and a lot cheaper at that. Will still set you back a pretty penny.
And if you're worried about volume we can do 4000 bags a day easy with this type of setup.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: hassingw]
#24145257 - 03/08/17 12:55 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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OMG, 4000 a day, could you please post us a pic of that vessel?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: frog48]
#24145633 - 03/08/17 07:02 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spoiler : it's a cargo container 20 or 40ft, can't remember. Guessing 40ft
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24145699 - 03/08/17 07:49 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spoiler? Boiler? What kind of?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: frog48]
#24145702 - 03/08/17 07:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just looked through previous post but all pics are removed. Don't know why. Bedrijfsgeheim?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: frog48]
#24145740 - 03/08/17 08:14 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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That means business secret in dutch, I'm just an under cover Frog.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: hassingw]
#24145796 - 03/08/17 08:50 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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hassingw said: I'm with drake and Iipa. low pressure steambox. Lot safer than an refurbished autoclave and a lot cheaper at that. Will still set you back a pretty penny.
And if you're worried about volume we can do 4000 bags a day easy with this type of setup.
For those who are unaware, 15 psi and under is considered low pressure. The retorts i have used in my life start at 20psi and can go up to 60psi of vapor pressure. If you go to wall, the company that makes pressure relief valves for steam pressure, you'll find they categorize all pressure reliefs under 15psi as low pressure. These of course are designed for steam applications. The barrels we bought came with a spec sheet and are rated to 60psi of water pressure. This obviously doesn't translate to the exact same figure for vapor but I can assure you nothing will happen to my barrels at 5psi or even 10psi for that matter. The first place it will fail is the gasket. I would also be interested in seeing your set up for 4000 bags a day. Furthermore I'm curious how much that costs. Seeing as you would probably need a 200 000 btu boiler that runs over 5k alone.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24145809 - 03/08/17 08:58 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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These are the exact autoclaves I've used. Made by the American sterilizer company. They are 2-4 gauges thicker than the barrels I just bought but again they run much much higher pressure.

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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24145897 - 03/08/17 09:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most steam fired brew kettles have thin stainless double walls the steam flows through steam jackets on the kettle and boils the beer.
These run at 15psi or higher in thin stainless walls welded by Chinaman
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24145906 - 03/08/17 09:54 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah still for some industries 15psi is considered low pressure. But not in the mushroom industry. Also I will not go near a makeshift pressure vessel at 15psi. Only when installed by certified company and maintained by one.
My boiler build + hookup and everything around it set me back 35K and is around a 1000000btu boiler. Its rated at 20psi but we run it at 5psi.
Edited by hassingw (03/08/17 09:55 AM)
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: hassingw]
#24145916 - 03/08/17 09:58 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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15lsi boilers are in most breweries ran by 20 year old kids that got a bit of on the job training. Installed by hack mechanical engineers. Shit one place i was at had two AO Smith 950,000btu boilers one rigged to run on bio diesel that we made on site.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: bodhisatta]
#24145949 - 03/08/17 10:11 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: hassingw]
#24145966 - 03/08/17 10:17 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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hassingw said: Sure. But I have a business to run and don't want this kind of shit from happening.
http://www.smbb.com/verdicts-and-settlements/maintenance-men-injured-by-boiler-room-explosion
Holy shit. I'll stick with my 0psi setup. Helps me sleep better
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: MycoFlora]
#24145974 - 03/08/17 10:20 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's always hidden dangers in a factory. Sure that's one had example of what could happen. Forklifts are far more dangerous than boilers, you against them too?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: bodhisatta]
#24145983 - 03/08/17 10:25 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never said I'm against them I said if there not installed or maintained properly by professionals i'm against it.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: hassingw]
#24146655 - 03/08/17 03:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well what your saying still doesn't make sense because you just included a link to a boiler blowing up which was designed by a professional manufacturer and installed by their technicians. So what your saying to me is go ahead and buy an expensive thin ass piece of shit for 10 times the price and have it installed professionally even though it may still blow the hell up in my face? Yeah no thanks. I'm an engineer by trade and I have faith in my self and not some 20$/hour clowns that work in plumbing and electricity. As bodhi said, most pressurized systems run easily 20psi and are operated by 20 year olds without a high school degree. 5-10psi is not going to kill anyone when the gasket leaks the steam out.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24146773 - 03/08/17 04:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyway guys, the build has already begone and we are around half done. There is no stopping it now. If it was a mistake then let it be lesson learned for me. Otherwise, hang in patiently and I will have the build up soon for everyone to see. I'm going to test the system in the shop behind a makeshift blast wall before I just carry this thing into my lab. Thanks for being concerned with my safety but my tap water comes out with more pressure Anyone see the mythbusters episode where they got a hot water tank to 128psi of hot steam pressure? Ya well that thing isn't exactly thick walled. The inside vessel is reinforced by the rigid foam surrounding. We will also be reinforcing our drums.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: hassingw]
#24146830 - 03/08/17 04:42 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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The build is up. Not done yet but I'm sort of doing a log on the progress. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24146827 Come pop in to see the progress.
Also, Here is some oyster porn for your virgin eyes!! Today's harvest: 
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24146853 - 03/08/17 04:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Homesteader said: These are the exact autoclaves I've used. Made by the American sterilizer company. They are 2-4 gauges thicker than the barrels I just bought but again they run much much higher pressure.


Wow Mr Bond Villian Mike O'Logy.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24148468 - 03/09/17 10:14 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Homesteader said: Everyone just needs to have faith that 4 engineers from the most reputed canadian university will be fine building a mini autoclave lol.
Concordia?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: flyontoast]
#24148515 - 03/09/17 10:38 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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The link was to point out that even a professional machine if not properly designed or maintained can cause serious injuries even at a big mushroom company as Lambert. And could bankrupt you and your business.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: hassingw]
#24148579 - 03/09/17 11:11 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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it looks like a solid plan! I was only stating my own limitations. I'm a mushroom farmer, not an engineer,so keeping it simple keeps me from blowing my nuts off. Nice work so far, Marc!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: flyontoast]
#24149079 - 03/09/17 02:32 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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flyontoast said:
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Homesteader said: Everyone just needs to have faith that 4 engineers from the most reputed canadian university will be fine building a mini autoclave lol.
Concordia?
lol
OP, where are you going to be selling these mushrooms anyways?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24150366 - 03/10/17 01:54 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you buy a retort from China, is it ASME certified? Will your state allow you to operate it without the ASME stamp?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: mcl]
#24150986 - 03/10/17 10:17 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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mcl said: If you buy a retort from China, is it ASME certified? Will your state allow you to operate it without the ASME stamp?
They are CE certified..... some are ASME certified. You are under no obligation under any state in the US to have the ASME certification. In Europe the CE certification is required. CE certified equipment is allowed on the US market and can be installed. Your state might ask you to get your low pressure vessel inspected though.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24153986 - 03/11/17 01:07 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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"5x10 from between 4000 and 6000" "A 22ftx6ft retort is 18,000$ shipped with racks inside and Siemens control console" Lipa, where do you find deal like this? Do you need to speak Chinese to get a such price? They normally charge sky high for foreigners.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: mcl]
#24154172 - 03/11/17 02:38 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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mcl said: "5x10 from between 4000 and 6000" "A 22ftx6ft retort is 18,000$ shipped with racks inside and Siemens control console" Lipa, where do you find deal like this? Do you need to speak Chinese to get a such price? They normally charge sky high for foreigners.
just get on alibaba and you'll have chinese people banging down your door.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24154427 - 03/11/17 04:23 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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drake89 said:
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mcl said: "5x10 from between 4000 and 6000" "A 22ftx6ft retort is 18,000$ shipped with racks inside and Siemens control console" Lipa, where do you find deal like this? Do you need to speak Chinese to get a such price? They normally charge sky high for foreigners.
just get on alibaba and you'll have chinese people banging down your door.
What he said... Just make sure to get at least 5 quotes. They do not normally charge sky high for foreigners. You just need to be firm about what you want. My quotes were all over the place. Just remember a lot of these manufactures are in the same area and share the same engineers and workers. That's how the Chinese work and how they keep prices down.
Edited by lipa (03/11/17 04:28 PM)
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: flyontoast]
#24159398 - 03/13/17 05:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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McGill actually. Concordia is lagging behind in the race.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: hassingw]
#24159409 - 03/13/17 05:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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hassingw said: The link was to point out that even a professional machine if not properly designed or maintained can cause serious injuries even at a big mushroom company as Lambert. And could bankrupt you and your business.
I am aware of that mate. Which is precisely why I am building my own system for 2000$ CAD instead of buying a professional machine that can still blow up in my face. At least I know my way around the one I'm building and I can spot any technical issues.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: MycoFlora]
#24159420 - 03/13/17 05:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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MycoFlora said: it looks like a solid plan! I was only stating my own limitations. I'm a mushroom farmer, not an engineer,so keeping it simple keeps me from blowing my nuts off. Nice work so far, Marc!
I respect that brother! I know not everyone feels safe building an autoclave which is why I highly recommend not copying us. I simply want to demonstrate it is possible and that one can employ many fail safes to prevent injury or malfunction. I hope you're following the build
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: beastcoast]
#24159429 - 03/13/17 05:25 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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beastcoast said:
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flyontoast said:
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Homesteader said: Everyone just needs to have faith that 4 engineers from the most reputed canadian university will be fine building a mini autoclave lol.
Concordia?
lol
OP, where are you going to be selling these mushrooms anyways?
I have one major restaurant signed on that takes most of our production for 15$cad/lbs and the rest is sold through our facebook page and word of mouth. We have quite a repeat customers and I'm thinking of doing a mushroom 'csa' style basket soon for the folks that are simply mushroom fanatics and want them on the regular.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24159440 - 03/13/17 05:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow what an awesome price you are getting from that restaurant, must be a big one. Cool idea on the CSA too.. I was thinking of approaching the local CSAs in my area to try and get in on their boxes. I wonder how the pull of a mushroom only box will fair. I would love it for myself, lol
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: poponon]
#24159771 - 03/13/17 07:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good luck
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: poponon]
#24159821 - 03/13/17 07:24 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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poponon said: wow what an awesome price you are getting from that restaurant, must be a big one. Cool idea on the CSA too.. I was thinking of approaching the local CSAs in my area to try and get in on their boxes. I wonder how the pull of a mushroom only box will fair. I would love it for myself, lol
Yes it certainly is and I'm very fortunate to have that account. I can't say we don't deserve it though. We bring them mushrooms harvested not more than a few hours before they are dropped off.
Good point on the basket! I plan on diversifying a bit. My wife makes soap and im thinking we can include a mushroom soap and maybe my bacon-oyster mushroom jam. That way we aren't bring 4-5 different fresh mushrooms out every week.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24161937 - 03/14/17 03:14 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Homesteader said: McGill actually. Concordia is lagging behind in the race.
Yeah, I was joking. Anytime a someone strokes their own ego, we know it's a McGill student that hasn't checked the rankings in ages, let alone how each individual faculty ranks 
Congrats on that sick restaurant contract!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: flyontoast]
#24165073 - 03/15/17 07:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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flyontoast said:
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Homesteader said: McGill actually. Concordia is lagging behind in the race.
Yeah, I was joking. Anytime a someone strokes their own ego, we know it's a McGill student that hasn't checked the rankings in ages, let alone how each individual faculty ranks 
Congrats on that sick restaurant contract!
you got me there :p
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24223346 - 04/06/17 04:55 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Small kick, I was wondering how your sterilizer is coming along?
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