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HighValley
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24113706 - 02/23/17 02:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: HighValley]
#24113714 - 02/23/17 02:56 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: HighValley]
#24114404 - 02/23/17 07:29 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
also interested in seeing this! would be a nice use of spent grain from brewing at home. couple breweries around here too
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: HighValley]
#24129403 - 03/01/17 05:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
So to answer the 'big' question, Yes I will certainly do a write up on how exactly I do my brewers spent grain. This week at myco-rise we are building a double barrel 55gallon steam sterilizer. Every single detail of the build and pictures are all being logged and this will be the next write I plan on doing before the spent grain tek. I think you will all enjoy this build as I have engineered one hell of a sterilizer. I plan on running between 5-10 psi In it. I know you're all thinking "this guy is going to blow himself up! 10psi in a 55gallon drum!!!!" but have faith shroomers, I have over-engineered this bad boy. Our budget is 2500$ CAD (~1800$ usd) but I doubt we'll use the entire amount. The design features 2x 55gallon stainless steel drums for a total of 416L or 110U.s. Gallons (~ 90 imperial gallons) of sterilization capacity. We also sourced out high temp/high pressure gaskets and welded supports to the cover and welded the seem in the barrel for added support. I would feel safe going up to 20psi but for now we will be playing around with 10. I estimate the system will be fully finished within a few weeks and then I'll have time to get back on shroomery and post about it.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24129424 - 03/01/17 05:52 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Homesteader said:
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
So to answer the 'big' question, Yes I will certainly do a write up on how exactly I do my brewers spent grain. This week at myco-rise we are building a double barrel 55gallon steam sterilizer. Every single detail of the build and pictures are all being logged and this will be the next write I plan on doing before the spent grain tek. I think you will all enjoy this build as I have engineered one hell of a sterilizer. I plan on running between 5-10 psi In it. I know you're all thinking "this guy is going to blow himself up! 10psi in a 55gallon drum!!!!" but have faith shroomers, I have over-engineered this bad boy. Our budget is 2500$ CAD (~1800$ usd) but I doubt we'll use the entire amount. The design features 2x 55gallon stainless steel drums for a total of 416L or 110U.s. Gallons (~ 90 imperial gallons) of sterilization capacity. We also sourced out high temp/high pressure gaskets and welded supports to the cover and welded the seem in the barrel for added support. I would feel safe going up to 20psi but for now we will be playing around with 10. I estimate the system will be fully finished within a few weeks and then I'll have time to get back on shroomery and post about it.
Thanks to everyone following our progress at Myco-Rise
i'd be very careful and don't tell your insurance company! 10psi would be 4500lbs behind each end and 20 is....terrifying. i know a farmer in oregon who worked at a place that had a failure. blew the lid thru the rafters 20ft up. injured someone pretty badly. having run 100gal drums daily for 2 years i can attest that 4 psi will bow the bottoms out...food for thought. we also saw some tiny hairline cracks along 2 of the welded pipe fittings...
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24129446 - 03/01/17 06:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haha no I definitely won't tell the insurance company. The stainless barrel I'm getting is rated to 60psi of water pressure. I read through numerous papers that said around 14psi of vapor pressure a 55gallon steel drum will fail at the lid because the lid is lifted so high that the gasket no longer forms a seal and thus leaks out all the pressure. This design utilize stainless drums that are well reinforced along with a gasket and ring designed for higher temps and pressure. The barrel certainly won't rupture like a frag grenade contrary to what most people think. These barrels always fail at the lid but to be safe we are enclosing the barrels within a steel box loaded with insulation. Furthermore there will be a safety wire or clip that prevents the drum lid from blowing out into our faces. The barrels are coming straight from the manufacturer and he seems to think 10psi of vapor pressure would be a joke for these stainless drums. Especially since we are getting 16 gauge stainless when even regular steel drums are usually 18gauge and 20gauge for the lid. I would not advise using a standard steel drum for anything over 1-3psi.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24129628 - 03/01/17 07:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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sounds like a good plan
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: drake89]
#24129731 - 03/01/17 08:04 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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very cool stuff that sterilizer sounds like a dream! a nightmare if things go bad lol. Interested in seeing your write up and info on the brewery grain process. awesome stuff
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: poponon]
#24131773 - 03/02/17 05:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very inspiring! Thank you for sharing with us.
Im working on my 130sqf room now. I got a 58galon drum already and im looking for a way to pasteurize/sterilizer the straw in a simple and productive way.
Can you post details how you pasteurize/sterilize the straw?
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Hugofly]
#24134659 - 03/03/17 09:45 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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looking good man! With your 5 lb bags, you only need like 1/4 of a quart per 5 lb bag. pink oyster is an awesome starter strain, one of the most forgiving. Good luck!
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24134818 - 03/03/17 10:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Homesteader said:
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HighValley said: Were you going to share your brewery grain tek?
So to answer the 'big' question, Yes I will certainly do a write up on how exactly I do my brewers spent grain. This week at myco-rise we are building a double barrel 55gallon steam sterilizer. Every single detail of the build and pictures are all being logged and this will be the next write I plan on doing before the spent grain tek. I think you will all enjoy this build as I have engineered one hell of a sterilizer. I plan on running between 5-10 psi In it. I know you're all thinking "this guy is going to blow himself up! 10psi in a 55gallon drum!!!!" but have faith shroomers, I have over-engineered this bad boy. Our budget is 2500$ CAD (~1800$ usd) but I doubt we'll use the entire amount. The design features 2x 55gallon stainless steel drums for a total of 416L or 110U.s. Gallons (~ 90 imperial gallons) of sterilization capacity. We also sourced out high temp/high pressure gaskets and welded supports to the cover and welded the seem in the barrel for added support. I would feel safe going up to 20psi but for now we will be playing around with 10. I estimate the system will be fully finished within a few weeks and then I'll have time to get back on shroomery and post about it.
Thanks to everyone following our progress at Myco-Rise
For 5000 you could buy a 10'X5' sterilizer from china shipped. Why not just play it safe and save up more money.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24134995 - 03/04/17 12:36 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea, you don't need to pressurize drums to sterilize bulk substrate. I make 70 5 lb bags a week in my 85 gal single drum steamer at 3800 ft with no pressure. I haven't had a contaminated bag in months.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Gr0wer]
#24135373 - 03/04/17 07:15 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is awesome! Looking forward to the spent grain tek.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24135377 - 03/04/17 07:17 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would that be with or without a boiler? Also, It's not just about max size for us. The system we are designing is modular and portable. We built it to the max dimensions that could fit through a door. The top section that houses the drums is separate from the bottom boiler section and they are going to add a quick connector to join the too. The quick connect and the line is rating to 150psi of steam pressure. It is meant for steam cleaning. Everything in this application is rated for high steam pressure with the exception of the drum. Moreover, a 304grade stainless drum can easily handle vapor pressure. The weak link is the gasket on the lid. We have sourced alternative gaskets that fit the drum, ranging from teflon to vitron. I think for 2000$ CAD all said and done this will be well worth it. In the future when I upgrade the setup I would certainly consider a large system. I also don't necessarily trust anything Chinese built more than what I'm building with 4 engineers from the university
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Gr0wer]
#24135394 - 03/04/17 07:27 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: yea, you don't need to pressurize drums to sterilize bulk substrate. I make 70 5 lb bags a week in my 85 gal single drum steamer at 3800 ft with no pressure. I haven't had a contaminated bag in months.
This is true. However, pressurizing it cuts my cook time down from 22 hours to 4-5 hours... The system will cost me much less to operate and run much more efficiently. I will also be using it to make grain spawn from here on out. My goal is to supply the 3 other mushroom companies in the greater montreal area with spawn. My largest competitor, blanc de gris, buys several hundred myco-bags a month. I want to get in on the action :P
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lipa

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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24136055 - 03/04/17 12:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Homesteader said:
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Gr0wer said: yea, you don't need to pressurize drums to sterilize bulk substrate. I make 70 5 lb bags a week in my 85 gal single drum steamer at 3800 ft with no pressure. I haven't had a contaminated bag in months.
This is true. However, pressurizing it cuts my cook time down from 22 hours to 4-5 hours... The system will cost me much less to operate and run much more efficiently. I will also be using it to make grain spawn from here on out. My goal is to supply the 3 other mushroom companies in the greater montreal area with spawn. My largest competitor, blanc de gris, buys several hundred myco-bags a month. I want to get in on the action :P
You only need a little boiler to run at low pressure(about 500-700$. It takes much more fuel to run a sterilizer at 15psi for 3hrs than 1-2psi for longer. I'd hate to say it but it sounds like your trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24136847 - 03/04/17 05:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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lipa said:
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Homesteader said:
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Gr0wer said: yea, you don't need to pressurize drums to sterilize bulk substrate. I make 70 5 lb bags a week in my 85 gal single drum steamer at 3800 ft with no pressure. I haven't had a contaminated bag in months.
This is true. However, pressurizing it cuts my cook time down from 22 hours to 4-5 hours... The system will cost me much less to operate and run much more efficiently. I will also be using it to make grain spawn from here on out. My goal is to supply the 3 other mushroom companies in the greater montreal area with spawn. My largest competitor, blanc de gris, buys several hundred myco-bags a month. I want to get in on the action :P
You only need a little boiler to run at low pressure(about 500-700$. It takes much more fuel to run a sterilizer at 15psi for 3hrs than 1-2psi for longer. I'd hate to say it but it sounds like your trying to reinvent the wheel.
Im sorry but you are just making figures up in your head mate. 1500watts for 22 hours is 33KWH whereas jason from motown told me his system (which this is modeled after) has 2x 1500 watt elements which run for 15sec every minute. That is 2 hours on for an 8hour run which is a total of 6Kwh. However, he runs at around 3psi and I plan on going higher - this will in turn will cut the cook time down further. I don't know why you make these claims without running some numbers.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24137141 - 03/04/17 07:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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You admit there's 74 logs in there now but won't post the picture? Shame on you sir. There are porn addicts on this site. Also, where is the brewery grain tek? J/k. Good job! Looking forward to your future posts
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: Homesteader]
#24137211 - 03/04/17 08:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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However, he runs at around 3psi and I plan on going higher - this will in turn will cut the cook time down further.
Higher with what? A 1500kw what @15psi? How long do you think it is going to take to get the air out and get it to 15psi?
I said fuel. Gas is by far more economical than electricity.
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Re: Gourmet mushroom company lauch [Re: lipa]
#24138263 - 03/05/17 10:18 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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However, he runs at around 3psi and I plan on going higher - this will in turn will cut the cook time down further.
Higher with what? A 1500kw what @15psi? How long do you think it is going to take to get the air out and get it to 15psi?
I said fuel. Gas is by far more economical than electricity.
Not here dude, we got less than a dime per KWh most of the year...That said if you were going to get a commercial scale boiler you would be hard pressed to find an electric one. My lights flicker enough when my 30kW tankless heater turns on hehe
Can you really get a 5x10 new retort for less than $5K? Unicorn Lou was trying to quote me more than that for a used one. I've also found out from my friends that bought some off him and J Holliday, that buying a boiler and having it fitted can be 1-2x the cost of the actual retort. Caveat Emptor
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