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IV drug use (with poll)
    #24007058 - 01/13/17 12:34 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Having a debate with another shroomery member about HEP C. There's a lot of warnings out there that sharing straws and other snorting equipment is a good transmission route for HEP C. I feel like that risk is highly over stated and that what is really happening is that IV users simply won't admit that they use a needle. New HEP C infections are required to be reported to the CDC, and doctors must include information about possible modes of infection. I suspect a lot of people are sitting in that clinic and coming up with excuses that don't include the fact that they inject their drugs. So here's a poll, and remember that polls are anonymous and nobody is going to see who voted.
Do you/have you used IV drugs. Do you have HEP C.
You may choose only one
If you are an IV user, do you lie about this use to people other than the people who you use with. (I don't mean would you lie about the drug use, but about the ROA: "yeah, I use heroin but I would never inject it)
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Do you think IV drug use is shameful, even amongst other drug users.
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (01/13/17 09:33 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods] * 1
    #24007081 - 01/13/17 12:42 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I have had lots of IV drugs in the hospital. I just had a Hep c test and I''m clean.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24007085 - 01/13/17 12:43 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Only way I can really see anyone getting Hep C using straws or whatever else is if both people ended up cutting the inside of their noses while using it.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24007096 - 01/13/17 12:47 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Hep C is a very low risk of sexual transmission, but sharing a straw is risky? That just doesn't sound right to me.

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I have had lots of IV drugs in the hospital. I just had a Hep c test and I''m clean.




Did I need to make it clear I'm talking about abusing drugs IV, and not in a medical setting?


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24007112 - 01/13/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

You just did.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24007148 - 01/13/17 01:15 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Um wait maybe some k that one time.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24007154 - 01/13/17 01:17 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Nothing shameful about it, but its high risk.

Not just do you have all the risks of injecting drugs, but your drug is at its most addictive and tolerance forming if used IV.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
    #24007186 - 01/13/17 01:34 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Man, if you have HEP C you need to get it treated:

Life expectancy rates:

US median: 78 years
HIV Positive: 72 years
HEP C: 60 years
HEP C and HIV: 52 years


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante] * 1
    #24007223 - 01/13/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Nothing shameful about it, but its high risk.

Not just do you have all the risks of injecting drugs, but your drug is at its most addictive and tolerance forming if used IV.




Using iv drugs is beyond shameful. You know you failed at life if you would even consider it


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24007232 - 01/13/17 01:54 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

thank god im scared of something


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: imanlyman]
    #24007241 - 01/13/17 01:57 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I caught hep C with my drug use and its one of the thins thats helped me stay off the needle

Im in the process of getting it treated. Fortunately such options exist.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: ModestMouse]
    #24007675 - 01/13/17 04:13 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Are you getting treated?


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24007681 - 01/13/17 04:16 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I am in the process of it yeah.
The doctor is being slow but was supposed to fax my bloodwork to the specialist so they can start me on antibiotics. Either way though im in the process


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: ModestMouse]
    #24007687 - 01/13/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Get a new doctor if they are going to give you antibiotics for hep c


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24007692 - 01/13/17 04:18 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Thats how you fight it if its in early stages which mine is. You can often eliminate it with antibiotics.
Nonetheless, thats not what they prescribed me I haven't met the specialist yet.

Also ill say this: many iv drug users havent had blood tests to screen for hep c and assume they are clean (I would if I hadnt tested positive). Thus your poll is undoubtedly skewed


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: ModestMouse]
    #24007703 - 01/13/17 04:26 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Yeah the first question the answer I'm most interested in is how many people have hep C and never used IV. I'm curious if anyone really gets HEP C without ever doing IV

The poll is more about the psychology of IV users talking openly about how their IV use.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24007723 - 01/13/17 04:33 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I answered wrong.  Did IV, no Hep.  I was a solitarty addict for the most part, and always used all my own shit, or new works if I got it from someone else.  I don't try to hide it, not that I would ever bring it up unprovoked, but I ain't going to lie about it.

I actually never had an abscess, collapsed vein, noticeable scarring, or cotton fever either, and I only had ok sterile practices.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24007726 - 01/13/17 04:34 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

The accuracy of the information (e.g., whether someone uses IV drugs) depends on the source. In my experience, when individuals are enrolled in formal studies, they have little incentive to lie about their behaviors. In conducting more formal survey analyses, interviewers are usually well-trained to prevent lieing and there may be methodologies to prevent lying.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: badchad]
    #24007778 - 01/13/17 04:55 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

Former IV user. No Hep C. I found out my ex did catch Hep C from IV use though, but we weren't speaking to each other during that time so god knows where she got it. After that I wouldn't even leave a needle in close proximity to hers. We threw out our needles after first use so we never shared or got them mixed up.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: badchad]
    #24007937 - 01/13/17 06:09 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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The accuracy of the information (e.g., whether someone uses IV drugs) depends on the source. In my experience, when individuals are enrolled in formal studies, they have little incentive to lie about their behaviors. In conducting more formal survey analyses, interviewers are usually well-trained to prevent lieing and there may be methodologies to prevent lying.



I just read the CDC guidelines. Hep C infection is not mandatory to report, only symptomatic infection is. I may have to change my assessment even though in the small sample so far one third of users would lie.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24007943 - 01/13/17 06:12 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

The CDC said baby boomers should get tested, so I did.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24007957 - 01/13/17 06:23 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

About that shame thing in the poll.

You've hit rock bottom the second you poke a needle in your arm. That should be it. Before injecting you should ask yourself "Am I this person?".

If you do start to use the needle and keep going with it, not only have you reached rock bottom, but you picking  through the rock to dig yourself a rocky grave...


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Patlal]
    #24007971 - 01/13/17 06:28 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

:shrug:
Its a landslide to rock bottom thats for sure
I never thought id be a IV heroin user but after that first shot the last thing on your mind is remorse.

The remorse comes months after. When youre broke, sick, and borderline suicidal. Im lucky enough to be climbing out.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Patlal]
    #24008214 - 01/13/17 08:23 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

I don't look at it as shameful, just borderline crazy high risk.  I wouldn't shame someone if they told me they iv because I've been iv'd a rainbow of things in the hospital and it is fucking fantastic.

I'd definately recommend it's something to get away from but I wouldn't go all holier than thou on someone.  I'd probably point out how everyone is dieing from that roa.. everyone knows it's not smart, they don't need to be shamed for it.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Amanita86]
    #24008261 - 01/13/17 08:54 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

No shame in my game or anyone else's, I snorted heroin for years n never got hep. C.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: blueberry d]
    #24008344 - 01/13/17 10:00 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

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Do you/have you used IV drugs. Do you have HEP C.




Use IV. Don't have HEP C.
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If you are an IV user, do you lie about this use to people other than the people who you use with.




No. I give no fucks and if someone asked I would tell them

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Do you think IV drug use is shameful, even amongst other drug users.




No.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24008436 - 01/13/17 11:09 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

i have a slight phobia of needles so i dont inject.

Never have, likely never will. Ive had a couple shots of vaccine as a kid, but thats it.

Personally, i think needles are gross and people who use them are gross. A needle here and there for something like Ketamine or 5-meo-DmT i can understand, but shooting heroin or shooting anything habitually, nah man not good :nonono:


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24008915 - 01/14/17 05:39 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

5-MeO-DMT by needle? Isnt that a bit umm, dangerous? People have gotten cardiac arrest from smoking too much of it. Also, its O-methylbufotenine, and bufotenine reacts extremely unfavorable upon injection causing life threatening cardiovascular trouble.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: MagicMush123]
    #24009198 - 01/14/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Nothing shameful about it, but its high risk.

Not just do you have all the risks of injecting drugs, but your drug is at its most addictive and tolerance forming if used IV.




Using iv drugs is beyond shameful. You know you failed at life if you would even consider it



It should be shameful. It often harms the user, his family, everyone ty end up stealing from.
Well we should have needle exchanges and try to help the junkies, many are beyond help.

Some may say 'not all',but really, what are the chances an IV drug user isnt a junkie? Not enough to really worry about


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #24009247 - 01/14/17 09:19 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I don't believe in shaming people for which drug they take or how they take it. Shaming makes a poor deterrent. Instead, point to the harms of injecting, they are gnarly enough


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
    #24009265 - 01/14/17 09:26 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Shame is way better motivator for lying than just about anything


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24009271 - 01/14/17 09:29 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

We should empower people with knowledge rather than pull a social blackmail strategy on them.

Someone who realizes the risks of street drug injection is not likely to inject, someone who is merely shamed will get over their shame easier.

Shame is an invitation to overcome it because its irrational. Strong knowledge is rationally grounded and will only strengthen on further examination.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
    #24009276 - 01/14/17 09:32 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Do you think they are too stupid to know they are injecting something toxic?

Shame is important. Its the natural way people are motivsted. Our lack of shame has let my generation embrace freaks and morons.
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We should empower people with knowledge rather than pull a social blackmail strategy on them.

Someone who realizes the risks of street drug injection is not likely to inject, someone who is merely shamed will get over their shame easier.

Shame is an invitation to overcome it because its irrational. Strong knowledge is rationally grounded and will only strengthen on further examination.



That is completely backwards. People aren't rational. Rationality is overrated


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
    #24009282 - 01/14/17 09:34 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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I don't believe in shaming people for which drug they take or how they take it. Shaming makes a poor deterrent. Instead, point to the harms of injecting, they are gnarly enough




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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009300 - 01/14/17 09:41 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Our lack of shame has let my generation embrace freaks and morons.




Shame isn't a virtue. Honor is a virtue. Good sense is a virtue.

Things should not be taboo because they are shameful, but because they do not pass through the fine meshes of honor and good sense.

Is it dishonorable to inject? Not really. But does it comply to good sense? Not if it can be in any way avoided and then only if it is done impeccably to minimize risks.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
    #24009312 - 01/14/17 09:47 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Its scientifically and evolutionarily our first way of keeping bad things out of the group.
You can't teach a junkie out of their habit, only enable them.
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Our lack of shame has let my generation embrace freaks and morons.




Shame isn't a virtue. Honor is a virtue. Good sense is a virtue.

Things should not be taboo because they are shameful, but because they do not pass through the fine meshes of honor and good sense.

Is it dishonorable to inject? Not really. But does it comply to good sense? Not if it can be in any way avoided and then only if it is done impeccably to minimize risks.



It has nothing to do with virtue. You do something bad or dangerous, you should feel ashamed


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009328 - 01/14/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Shame doesnt enable you. It weakens you.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
    #24009378 - 01/14/17 10:11 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I assume its heroin because it usually is

Like I said, do you think they don't know  are fucking up?

You are trying to change natural things. A natural process to remove bad things from the group.

Empower a junkie, and they wll just be more empowered to fuck up.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009396 - 01/14/17 10:18 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Both my younger brothers shot up coke, heroin and any pain killers they could get their hands on. Ones in prison for armed bank robbery and the other can barely hold down a job for more than a few weeks. I've snorted heroin a few times but I really didn't like it. I've never shot up any drug and I'm not scared of needles either. Just seeing people shooting up and nodding and the way the lived was a deterrent for me.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009401 - 01/14/17 10:19 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I'm quite anti injection, because of the great harms associated with it. There is a huge difference between a medical injection of a pharmaceutical from an ampoule or injection bottle and an injection of street drugs. One speck of dust can mean a stroke or lung embolism. Infection is likely, etc etc etc.

Shaming cannot compete with educating. No needle addict ever stopped out of shame, they all stop because they experience too much negatives associatyed with injection drug use.

It goes beyond the injection: the people into injection drug use generally make for a scary crowd, despair, medical emergencies, fatalities, a potent mix.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
    #24009420 - 01/14/17 10:27 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Shaming is literally one of most effective methods to alter a persons behavior. Addicts don't quit because tir self esteem is high. You are literally spouting things that are not true

I didn't thing you were 'pro' iv injection of strange powders bought on a corner
Your view on people is backwards though. You can't educate away a chemical addiction, a stupid person, or whatever emotipnal hole they are using heroin for.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
    #24009438 - 01/14/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 16 days ago)

We need to find the underlying cause.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009649 - 01/14/17 12:01 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

If shaming was effective no one would be shooting up, our culture shames IV users already. Its ineffective.

The underlying cause is a desire to escape. Escape emotional turmoil, escape family, escape debt, escape a shitty situation. People must learn coping skills that dont involve hard drug use


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: ModestMouse]
    #24009739 - 01/14/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Maybe I'm wrong. Being nice to junkies hasn't ever had any good outcomes in my experience.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24009743 - 01/14/17 12:47 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Not that I would know, but blaming the outcome of prohibition on the drugs themselves is something only a brainwashed 'tard would do.


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24009785 - 01/14/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I didn't blame it on the drugs. Every individual that fucks their life up is at fault to a great extent. The drug itself does alter their personality.

Different substances are different though. I don't see a society of people existing enlightens enough to deal with a decent portion doing heroin. It isnt like weed, where the greatest problem is getting arrested

Meth is also bad I've heard, but this is a heroin town, so I'm unfamiliar


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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
    #24009862 - 01/14/17 01:52 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

I remember blood tinged straws and bills back in the day though it was mostly my own - however FWIW i think contaminated insufflation devices are a viable transmission route -
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: gman]
    #24009911 - 01/14/17 02:21 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

Woah we have a gman AND a qman? Thats too much man


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    #24009924 - 01/14/17 02:29 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: ModestMouse]
    #24009933 - 01/14/17 02:33 PM (7 years, 16 days ago)

With a rise in fent in people's stash things get much more dangerous with iv use


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