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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
#24007943 - 01/13/17 06:12 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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The CDC said baby boomers should get tested, so I did.
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About that shame thing in the poll.
You've hit rock bottom the second you poke a needle in your arm. That should be it. Before injecting you should ask yourself "Am I this person?".
If you do start to use the needle and keep going with it, not only have you reached rock bottom, but you picking through the rock to dig yourself a rocky grave...
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Patlal]
#24007971 - 01/13/17 06:28 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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 Its a landslide to rock bottom thats for sure I never thought id be a IV heroin user but after that first shot the last thing on your mind is remorse.
The remorse comes months after. When youre broke, sick, and borderline suicidal. Im lucky enough to be climbing out.
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Patlal]
#24008214 - 01/13/17 08:23 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I don't look at it as shameful, just borderline crazy high risk. I wouldn't shame someone if they told me they iv because I've been iv'd a rainbow of things in the hospital and it is fucking fantastic.
I'd definately recommend it's something to get away from but I wouldn't go all holier than thou on someone. I'd probably point out how everyone is dieing from that roa.. everyone knows it's not smart, they don't need to be shamed for it.
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Amanita86]
#24008261 - 01/13/17 08:54 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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No shame in my game or anyone else's, I snorted heroin for years n never got hep. C.
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Do you/have you used IV drugs. Do you have HEP C.
Use IV. Don't have HEP C. -
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If you are an IV user, do you lie about this use to people other than the people who you use with.
No. I give no fucks and if someone asked I would tell them
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Do you think IV drug use is shameful, even amongst other drug users.
No.
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
#24008436 - 01/13/17 11:09 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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i have a slight phobia of needles so i dont inject.
Never have, likely never will. Ive had a couple shots of vaccine as a kid, but thats it.
Personally, i think needles are gross and people who use them are gross. A needle here and there for something like Ketamine or 5-meo-DmT i can understand, but shooting heroin or shooting anything habitually, nah man not good
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5-MeO-DMT by needle? Isnt that a bit umm, dangerous? People have gotten cardiac arrest from smoking too much of it. Also, its O-methylbufotenine, and bufotenine reacts extremely unfavorable upon injection causing life threatening cardiovascular trouble.
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Asante said: Nothing shameful about it, but its high risk.
Not just do you have all the risks of injecting drugs, but your drug is at its most addictive and tolerance forming if used IV.
Using iv drugs is beyond shameful. You know you failed at life if you would even consider it
It should be shameful. It often harms the user, his family, everyone ty end up stealing from. Well we should have needle exchanges and try to help the junkies, many are beyond help.
Some may say 'not all',but really, what are the chances an IV drug user isnt a junkie? Not enough to really worry about
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I don't believe in shaming people for which drug they take or how they take it. Shaming makes a poor deterrent. Instead, point to the harms of injecting, they are gnarly enough
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
#24009265 - 01/14/17 09:26 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Shame is way better motivator for lying than just about anything
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: koods]
#24009271 - 01/14/17 09:29 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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We should empower people with knowledge rather than pull a social blackmail strategy on them.
Someone who realizes the risks of street drug injection is not likely to inject, someone who is merely shamed will get over their shame easier.
Shame is an invitation to overcome it because its irrational. Strong knowledge is rationally grounded and will only strengthen on further examination.
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
#24009276 - 01/14/17 09:32 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Do you think they are too stupid to know they are injecting something toxic?
Shame is important. Its the natural way people are motivsted. Our lack of shame has let my generation embrace freaks and morons.Quote:
Asante said: We should empower people with knowledge rather than pull a social blackmail strategy on them.
Someone who realizes the risks of street drug injection is not likely to inject, someone who is merely shamed will get over their shame easier.
Shame is an invitation to overcome it because its irrational. Strong knowledge is rationally grounded and will only strengthen on further examination.
That is completely backwards. People aren't rational. Rationality is overrated
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
#24009282 - 01/14/17 09:34 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Asante said: I don't believe in shaming people for which drug they take or how they take it. Shaming makes a poor deterrent. Instead, point to the harms of injecting, they are gnarly enough
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specialpeopleclub said: Our lack of shame has let my generation embrace freaks and morons.
Shame isn't a virtue. Honor is a virtue. Good sense is a virtue.
Things should not be taboo because they are shameful, but because they do not pass through the fine meshes of honor and good sense.
Is it dishonorable to inject? Not really. But does it comply to good sense? Not if it can be in any way avoided and then only if it is done impeccably to minimize risks.
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
#24009312 - 01/14/17 09:47 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Its scientifically and evolutionarily our first way of keeping bad things out of the group. You can't teach a junkie out of their habit, only enable them.Quote:
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specialpeopleclub said: Our lack of shame has let my generation embrace freaks and morons.
Shame isn't a virtue. Honor is a virtue. Good sense is a virtue.
Things should not be taboo because they are shameful, but because they do not pass through the fine meshes of honor and good sense.
Is it dishonorable to inject? Not really. But does it comply to good sense? Not if it can be in any way avoided and then only if it is done impeccably to minimize risks.
It has nothing to do with virtue. You do something bad or dangerous, you should feel ashamed
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Shame doesnt enable you. It weakens you.
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Re: IV drug use (with poll) [Re: Asante]
#24009378 - 01/14/17 10:11 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I assume its heroin because it usually is
Like I said, do you think they don't know are fucking up?
You are trying to change natural things. A natural process to remove bad things from the group.
Empower a junkie, and they wll just be more empowered to fuck up.
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Both my younger brothers shot up coke, heroin and any pain killers they could get their hands on. Ones in prison for armed bank robbery and the other can barely hold down a job for more than a few weeks. I've snorted heroin a few times but I really didn't like it. I've never shot up any drug and I'm not scared of needles either. Just seeing people shooting up and nodding and the way the lived was a deterrent for me.
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Asante
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I'm quite anti injection, because of the great harms associated with it. There is a huge difference between a medical injection of a pharmaceutical from an ampoule or injection bottle and an injection of street drugs. One speck of dust can mean a stroke or lung embolism. Infection is likely, etc etc etc.
Shaming cannot compete with educating. No needle addict ever stopped out of shame, they all stop because they experience too much negatives associatyed with injection drug use.
It goes beyond the injection: the people into injection drug use generally make for a scary crowd, despair, medical emergencies, fatalities, a potent mix.
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